Hacking Discussion Team Xecuter Attempted to Bribe RetroNX Developers

[MasterJ360]

But this isn't important.. its like paparazzi news of a scandal to those who already despises TX. We get so much of this stuff every week about what they do more than bigger improvements on opensource material. Pointing fingers isn't helping us either its waste of space imo for actual important/helpful threads regardless what cfw we use

 

[alantgw]

But this isn't important.. its like paparazzi news of a scandal to those who already despises TX. We get so much of this stuff every week about what they do more than bigger improvements on opensource material. Pointing fingers isn't helping us either its waste of space imo for actual important/helpful threads regardless what cfw we use

Improvements? Are you kidding me?
SX OX isn't helping the community by violating GPLv2 on opensource material to build broken updates and is a waste of space. So probably SX OX should go away as well.

 

[DayVeeBoi]

its waste of space imo for actual important/helpful threads

You do realize that the website isn't finite, there's plenty of space for threads for everyone, including people who are interested in things that you aren't?

Truth is I am tired of seeing the people in this community soapbox for TX, who have done basically nothing but take from the scene (that's my IMO for ya) and I would be happy if they just auto-filtering those threads so there's more space for projects that I support and that contribute much more important work for the community (and both society and pop/culture in general) like RetroNX and other Open Source developers.

 

[MasterJ360]

Improvements? Are you kidding me?
SX OX isn't helping the community by violating GPLv2 on opensource material to build broken updates and is a waste of space. So probably SX OX should go away as well.

No Im not kidding you... When I say improvements Im talking about the community as a whole basically "Opensource". Yes we all know TX stole code, but making numerous of threads beating on a dead horse doesn't change anything thats why I'm questioning the community b/c we seem to enjoy drama in every shape or form instead of moving on to improve what we have which we are.... well some of us.

You do realize that the website isn't finite, there's plenty of space for threads for everyone, including people who are interested in things that you aren't?

Truth is I am tired of seeing the people in this community soapbox for TX, who have done basically nothing but take from the scene (that's my IMO for ya) and I would be happy if they just auto-filtering those threads so there's more space for projects that I support and that contribute much more important work for the community (and both society and pop/culture in general) like RetroNX and other Open Source developers.

This isn't the only forum I'm actually on, so yes I know its infinite Maybe its a waste of time to others b/c we don't gain anything from shitposts even if its just for laughs. I guess I could blacklist myself from the Switch community for a couple of months until ppl are ready to... idk be abit more mature. I'm not saying we should just forget what TX has done, but holding a grudge doesn't get things done is what im saying. Kudos to those who actually put something out for us like the Switch theme injector I really enjoyed using it since its release. You don't have to like TX just don't let a grudge be a distraction to what the community represents

 

[alantgw]

No Im not kidding you... When I say improvements Im talking about the community as a whole basically "Opensource". Yes we all know TX stole code, but making numerous of threads beating on a dead horse doesn't change anything thats why I'm questioning the community b/c we seem to enjoy drama in every shape or form instead of moving on to improve what we have which we are.... well some of us.

Fair enough and apologies for impoliteness, but IMO such kind of news still worth a shot.
It is part of the community development though nothing beneficial.

 

[subcon959]

I think I preferred it when threads just got locked instead of scores of posts getting deleted. "Off topic" doesn't seem like a good enough reason to actually erase from history an important discussion. It should be easy to discern the difference between simple name calling/bickering and a mature debate. I feel like the richness of discourse is being eroded by this new moderation guideline.

 

[smf]

Improvements? Are you kidding me?
SX OX isn't helping the community by violating GPLv2 on opensource material to build broken updates and is a waste of space. So probably SX OX should go away as well.

The broken updates don't help of course, but everyone is guilty of putting out software that doesn't work for some. If broken software was a punishable crime then there would be no developers left.

The violating of licenses is another red herring, people either don't care if they like SX OS or it's the worst thing since Hitler if they don't like SX OS.

It's clearly just a popularity contest and has nothing to do with the issues at all, or the same courtesy would be extended to everyone.

 

[NoNAND]

Can someome delete sx os from existence.

 

[Adran_Marit]

My 2c worth. TX is getting desperate, they were xci exclusive and they lost it to converters and free CFW.
Doing this was their way of trying to get something else and an exclusive to keep making more money off the scene while they still can

 

[alantgw]

The broken updates don't help of course, but everyone is guilty of putting out software that doesn't work for some. If broken software was a punishable crime then there would be no developers left.

The violating of licenses is another red herring, people either don't care if they like SX OS or it's the worst thing since Hitler if they don't like SX OS.

It's clearly just a popularity contest and has nothing to do with the issues at all, or the same courtesy would be extended to everyone.

My reply was just saying that SX OS was not contributing anything to the community after launch (to be fair the launch of SX OS provided a good quality jig and XCI loader), though MasterJ360 clarified later the improvement was not referring to SX OS but the community as a whole.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

The broken updates don't help of course, but everyone is guilty of putting out software that doesn't work for some. If broken software was a punishable crime then there would be no developers left.

The violating of licenses is another red herring, people either don't care if they like SX OS or it's the worst thing since Hitler if they don't like SX OS.

It's clearly just a popularity contest and has nothing to do with the issues at all, or the same courtesy would be extended to everyone.

Assuming that you can find undeniable proof that any other homebrew project would violate the GPL or the License it's been put under. I would denounce that very same project with just about as much vigor as I denounce SX OS.

And if you think that my (and any other person critical of them) only criticism of them is their blatant thievery, then you're sorely mistaken.

• Broken updates which can brick a users system. Yes, people ship broken code, but even so, a tiny bug is just that, a tiny bug. A bug that can pretty much make a 300 bucks system (and how many more you invsted in it) more usable as a paperweight is a bug that shouldn't be shipped.
  
• Including bricking code in earlier builds that if triggered improperly would lock the eMMC with random code from the stack and if triggered properly would use the password "WANNA PLAY ". Note that this trick is also used by Gateway from the 3DS scene, who have a lot of dirt on their name. Not outright saying that they are one and the same, but it's very likely that they are.
  
• Paying shills to constantly spout "we don't care" and "TX complainers are babies" (the sheer force and amount of this, even on threads which have tangential relationship to SX OS, such as the recent fork of Tinfoil which got front-paged because it permitted on-system conversion and installation of XCIs) seems to clearly indicate that there are either trolls or shills involved, and very likely both).
• Not following any form of standards or proper bug testing of their software. Two weeks ago, there were three updates for SX OS. Released in under one week. All three of which got frontpaged, even though all three touted the same feature "fixing code for 6.0.0".

I could continue, but these are just the ones that come to mind.

 

[subcon959]

I love this new trend of trying to win everything. It's not enough to have discussions for the sake of reason anymore, there must be a winner.. and at all costs. Even if it means belittling fellow human beings because they dare share a different opinion to you. Maybe the government should start putting CBD in the water instead of Fluoride.

 

[guitarheroknight]

Good, good, let the hate flow trough you.

 

[JoeBloggs777]

Put me on the Dr Phil show and I'll confess to everyone I'm a SX OS user until then i'm off to play Mario party as an XCI file

 

[smf]

Assuming that you can find undeniable proof that any other homebrew project would violate the GPL or the License it's been put under. I would denounce that very same project with just about as much vigor as I denounce SX OS.

What about proof that the violators throw enough shit at that you can't tell? Which ironically included demanding that you violate someone elses license. It turns into a popularity competition because that is what people do.

• Broken updates which can brick a users system. Yes, people ship broken code, but even so, a tiny bug is just that, a tiny bug. A bug that can pretty much make a 300 bucks system (and how many more you invsted in it) more usable as a paperweight is a bug that shouldn't be shipped.

That is always a risk with jail broken systems. Plenty of people have bricked over the years because something is different on their system, it's impossible for them to test every case.

• Including bricking code in earlier builds that if triggered improperly would lock the eMMC with random code from the stack and if triggered properly would use the password "WANNA PLAY ".

If you call any function without first putting enough data on the stack then it will use whatever values are already in memory. It's not technically random & it's Mike Heskin's fault for doing it. Blaming them for it sounds good when people don't understand what really happened, but that is all it is.

• Paying shills to constantly spout "we don't care" and "TX complainers are babies" (the sheer force and amount of this, even on threads which have tangential relationship to SX OS, such as the recent fork of Tinfoil which got front-paged because it permitted on-system conversion and installation of XCIs) seems to clearly indicate that there are either trolls or shills involved, and very likely both).

Or maybe they just don't care & TX complainers appear to be trolls.

• Not following any form of standards or proper bug testing of their software. Two weeks ago, there were three updates for SX OS. Released in under one week. All three of which got frontpaged, even though all three touted the same feature "fixing code for 6.0.0".

The majority of their customers don't seem bothered by that. If they are, then they should complain to TX. I'm not sure what benefit you get out of deriding their software quality, does it make you feel superior?

 

[DayVeeBoi]

No Im not kidding you... When I say improvements Im talking about the community as a whole basically "Opensource". Yes we all know TX stole code, but making numerous of threads beating on a dead horse doesn't change anything thats why I'm questioning the community b/c we seem to enjoy drama in every shape or form instead of moving on to improve what we have which we are.... well some of us.

This isn't the only forum I'm actually on, so yes I know its infinite Maybe its a waste of time to others b/c we don't gain anything from shitposts even if its just for laughs. I guess I could blacklist myself from the Switch community for a couple of months until ppl are ready to... idk be abit more mature. I'm not saying we should just forget what TX has done, but holding a grudge doesn't get things done is what im saying. Kudos to those who actually put something out for us like the Switch theme injector I really enjoyed using it since its release. You don't have to like TX just don't let a grudge be a distraction to what the community represents

Can't say I disagree with anything you're saying but I do think it's important that everything shitty TX does be documented and repeated as many times as need be, because there's constantly an influx of new users (particularly when something like TX happens that brings tons of new users who aren't in the loop, and they just think TX is tits cuz 'Muh Piracy'). It's on us as a community to make it crystal clear why it's a problem and educate peeps, (even if they don't give a fuck now, because eventually they will if they stick around).

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Put me on the Dr Phil show and I'll confess to everyone I'm a SX OS user until then i'm off to play Mario party as an XCI file

Where would you like us to mail your trophy?

 

[Ev1l0rd]

What about proof that the violators throw enough shit at that you can't tell? Which ironically included demanding that you violate someone elses license. It turns into a popularity competition because that is what people do.

Eh? I did see your debacle with MAME/libretro (not digging it up again, it's been off-topic for good reason and the summary is: let a judge decide over that one), but in this case, it's been rather clear-cut. They even left in an obfuscated (yet still recognizable) string from nx-hbloader, which they removed after people called them out on it.

That is always a risk with jail broken systems. Plenty of people have bricked over the years because something is different on their system, it's impossible for them to test every case.

No. This should have been prevented from the start. Beta test your product. The sheer amount of consumers they seem to have should be enough to release something as a beta to properly test stuff, mail some of their userbase or whatever. The amount of people who bricked makes this not any form of an "edge" case.

If you call any function without first putting enough data on the stack then it will use whatever values are already in memory. It's not technically random & it's Mike Heskin's fault for doing it. Blaming them for it sounds good when people don't understand what really happened, but that is all it is.

The random data part aside don't you understand the issue with the concept of bricking code? I understand that Heskin is at fault for that randomized password brick, but do you honestly think it's considered a good idea to brick a 300 bucks system? Like, for any reason. The mere fact that they do this should have caused them to be outcast, especially when they tried to pass it off as a "challenge for aspiring hackers" (I'm literally quoting them here).

To be exact: this is the equivalent of coming in your house and shooting your dog and then excusing it by saying "well, I did it because you are a house security expert in training and I wanted to give you a challenge". Would you consider that a valid reason? (And no, it isn't a false comparison. Your dog in the eyes of the law and the insurance company is just like your TV or another luxury device.)

Or maybe they just don't care & TX complainers appear to be trolls.

I have a pretty substantial list of people that defend TX by tooth and nail and seem to have 0 activity outside of defending TX or deriding other projects. Some are new accounts, registered in February/March/May this year (for reference: Team Xecuter announced their product early May), while others seem to be accounts that have had little activity before TX released their product. I have little doubt that TX is making use of shills.

The majority of their customers don't seem bothered by that. If they are, then they should complain to TX. I'm not sure what benefit you get out of deriding their software quality, does it make you feel superior?

Why? I do it because I give a flying fuck about the homebrew scene. I've been in the better part of the 3DS scene, I've seen the Switch scene kinda come up from a distance, and seeing bad actors like Team Xecuter try and force their way in without giving a flying fuck about anyone else just pisses me off.

 

[ghjfdtg]

Including bricking code in earlier builds that if triggered improperly would lock the eMMC with random code from the stack and if triggered properly would use the password "WANNA PLAY ". Note that this trick is also used by Gateway from the 3DS scene, who have a lot of dirt on their name. Not outright saying that they are one and the same, but it's very likely that they are.

Actually there is strong evidence that Gateway = TX. Exact same shady tactics, exactly the same "MIPS" VM used for their obfuscation (even the instruction set matches 100%), same hidden Game Boy ROM easter egg as in Gateways Launcher.dat.

If you call any function without first putting enough data on the stack then it will use whatever values are already in memory. It's not technically random & it's Mike Heskin's fault for doing it. Blaming them for it sounds good when people don't understand what really happened, but that is all it is.

You have no idea what you are talking about. These guys are professional reverse engineers. There was clearly brick code in there and still is but no code paths to it anymore so it's effectively dead code (practically impossible to trigger now).

 

[Ev1l0rd]

Actually there is strong evidence that Gateway = TX. Exact same shady tactics, exactly the same "MIPS" VM used for their obfuscation (even the instruction set matches 100%), same hidden Game Boy ROM easter egg as in Gateways Launcher.dat.

Oh I know they're very likely the same, but unless they admit it, I'll have to keep it as speculation, lest I invoke a bunch of idiots trying to muddy the waters by claiming that I'm only using circumstantial evidence. Also, didn't know about that easter egg.

 

[Huntereb]

Put me on the Dr Phil show and I'll confess to everyone I'm a SX OS user until then i'm off to play Mario party as an XCI file

Enjoy your 3x slower in-game load speeds, having to mount/unmount games instead of directly launching them from the home screen, taking up more space on the SD card from padding and system updates, not being able to install DLCs and updates, not being able to use your system memory for storing a game, and spending $25 for piracy.

 

[DarthDub]

Looks like I'm buying a dongle from TX now.

 

[guitarheroknight]

Enjoy your 3x slower in-game load speeds, having to mount/unmount games instead of directly launching them from the home screen, taking up more space on the SD card from padding and system updates, not being able to install DLCs and updates, not being able to use your system memory for storing a game, and spending $25 for piracy.

The DLC and updates work fine as far as I know?