Hacking Discussion Nintendo banning from CDN

[murpcsm48]

I wouldn't either. But as long as there are certs floating around online you wont have to

Question, can you remove the DLC and Update .nsp after you install them or do you have to leave them on the root of the MicroSD card for SX OS v1.4?

 

[Draxzelex]

Question, can you remove the DLC and Update .nsp after you install them or do you have to leave them on the root of the MicroSD card for SX OS v1.4?

You can delete them from your SD after they are installed.

 

[Erol]

So, if I install a downloaded and unchanged .NSP game, that I did not buy digitally, play and update it using the Switch, will I also be CDN banned?

 

[Yami Anubis ZX]

Yeah I should definitely wait. That cdn ban is scary

That's also about as illegal as Nintendo going around USB C protocol and changing it to be more proprietary, which is illegal in and of itself cause if you use the wrong usb c cord, it will fry your Switch when Nintendo themselves should have put a safety mechanism into the Switch.

I think Nintendo is going to get there asses handed to them 5 years down the line if they continue this route. Nintendo also forgets there no longer living in the 90s, so this crap isn't gonna fly.

 

[Paulsar99]

So, if I install a downloaded and unchanged .NSP game, that I did not buy digitally, play and update it using the Switch, will I also be CDN banned?

Most likely an eshop and mp ban, cdn ban is probably for the people who abused freeshop or let other people use their cert for cdnsp.

 

[Bocchuoi]

Most likely an eshop and mp ban, cdn ban is probably for the people who abused freeshop or let other people use their cert for cdnsp.

Are you sure? I'm tempting to update games.

 

[FAST6191]

I find this lack of concern over online play but concern for updates and eshop to be confusing.
I can see an all or nothing approach with people thinking online play is worth having but this piecemeal thing, especially for something as banal as updates and eshop (we have fully controlled consoles -- there will be ways to download and install such things), very strange indeed.

Is it really because the 3ds scene took so long to get to the point where it could organise a piss up in a brewery, never mind something actually taking a bit of thought, that people assume the same will apply here? Every other console where it applies could download updates probably from public and well known locations (seriously go look at 360 title updates) and all the downloaded games and content could be found everywhere that you can get ROMs/ISOs. If firmware updates were not shared wholesale (it is mainly just Nintendo that does not give files out which people can use to simply effect offline updates) then it probably comes on the dump of the game (or just on the cart of a game) and will be easy enough to sort

 

[tides]

That's also about as illegal as Nintendo going around USB C protocol and changing it to be more proprietary, which is illegal in and of itself cause if you use the wrong usb c cord, it will fry your Switch when Nintendo themselves should have put a safety mechanism into the Switch.

I think Nintendo is going to get there asses handed to them 5 years down the line if they continue this route. Nintendo also forgets there no longer living in the 90s, so this crap isn't gonna fly.

it's amazing how no class action has sued nintendo yet so i assume that either nintendo are replacing all those fried switches or nykko is really stupidly sucking this pile of shit down for nintendo. ESP since nintendo bullshit clause about third party accessories voiding warranty has been shit upon by the law.

looking at the replies, it's also amazing how people are giving wrong advice, saying that you have no case because of so and so when they know nothing about the law.

it's clearly a usb c and nintendo even says it is so when a usb c is frying the switches, it is a defect.

 

[FAST6191]

I don't know if it is illegal, and there are similar examples going back decades (see all the not a serial cable serial cable stuff).

It is likely astoundingly poor design on Nintendo's part (they are making a mass market consumer good for the general public after all) but whether it reaches a kind of legal incompetence is a very different matter, one I can not see a path to.

 

[vgplayer54]

I've read through 14 pages of this thread and haven't seen a real clear answer - My games are in xci format using SX OS and I have never used freeshopnx or CDNSP (never installed any DLC or game updates). I did however download from CDNSP Gui a game update, but have not installed it yet. Does anyone know if I install this game update, will I get this "superban"? Obviously we all need to access later firmware and I wouldn't want to be unable to update.

 

[Ashura66]

I've read through 14 pages of this thread and haven't seen a real clear answer - My games are in xci format using SX OS and I have never used freeshopnx or CDNSP (never installed any DLC or game updates). I did however download from CDNSP Gui a game update, but have not installed it yet. Does anyone know if I install this game update, will I get this "superban"? Obviously we all need to access later firmware and I wouldn't want to be unable to update.

Clear answer:No. The only way you get a level 3 "superban" is if you use CDNSP with your own console's cert file. The cert that you're currently using for CDNSP is the one that will eventually get a superban, not you. The most that can happen is you get a level 2 ban(Online and e-shop ban)

 

[funnyguywiiu]

Will Nintendo ban your IP when you download games through CDN?

 

[Yami Anubis ZX]

I don't know if it is illegal, and there are similar examples going back decades (see all the not a serial cable serial cable stuff).

It is likely astoundingly poor design on Nintendo's part (they are making a mass market consumer good for the general public after all) but whether it reaches a kind of legal incompetence is a very different matter, one I can not see a path to.

It's is illegal if they can control what you can and cannot do with your devices.

Also they went around USB C PROTOCOL, that in itself is illegal and is the reason why Switches are being bricked, Switch doesn't have a safety mechanic like the USB C IF certified stuff does, so it is Nintendos fault if the Switch is pulling in more power than it should.

 

[Ashura66]

Will Nintendo ban your IP when you download games through CDN?

Nintendo doesn't ban IPs, they ban accounts or certs, as in the cert that's being used to access the CDN server

 

[FAST6191]

It's is illegal if they can control what you can and cannot do with your devices.

Also they went around USB C PROTOCOL, that in itself is illegal and is the reason why Switches are being bricked, Switch doesn't have a safety mechanic like the USB C IF certified stuff does, so it is Nintendos fault if the Switch is pulling in more power than it should.

Like not running my own code?

No protocol is legally mandated in the way you seem to be heading towards. Had they claimed it implemented it and all that follows with that then that would be a false claim on their part and they would probably face some liability. This does not appear to be that.

Will Nintendo ban your IP when you download games through CDN?

I imagine if you launched a serious attack against them (quite why anybody with such capabilities would not use a VPN I don't know) they might. Otherwise banning IPs would lead to too much trouble with shared connections, dynamic IPs (which is most private consumers) and solve none of their problems, problems which are solved by revoking access via the certificates (which every valid user will have).

 

[Yami Anubis ZX]

Like not running my own code?

No protocol is legally mandated in the way you seem to be heading towards. Had they claimed it implemented it and all that follows with that then that would be a false claim on their part and they would probably face some liability. This does not appear to be that.


I imagine if you launched a serious attack against them (quite why anybody with such capabilities would not use a VPN I don't know) they might. Otherwise banning IPs would lead to too much trouble with shared connections, dynamic IPs (which is most private consumers) and solve none of their problems, problems which are solved by revoking access via the certificates (which every valid user will have).

Nintendo just did the same thing with USB C as they did with Wii DVD drive, and Wii U modified blu ray drive, they were cheap and didn't wanna pay fees, don't justify Nintendos screw ups, this isn't the 90s, times are changing and corporations will eventually learn they can't do stuff like they did back in the day.

Also I would say yes running custom code.

 

[FAST6191]

I am as annoyed by proprietary nonsense, lack of interoperability and lockdowns as anybody. Still does not make anything thus far described illegal though, just unfortunate.

 

[l915205]

Still does not make anything thus far described illegal though

This is illegal, as well as online bans. But they can get away with it because average Joe does not have resources to fight against Nintendo and their 100 lawyers working 24/7.
Thanks god US is not equal World and one day this bullshit will be regulated in EU once and for all. Like Valve was forced to offer refunds for digital purchases.

 

[FAST6191]

This is illegal, as well as online bans. But they can get away with it because average Joe does not have resources to fight against Nintendo and their 100 lawyers working 24/7.
Thanks god US is not equal World and one day this bullshit will be regulated in EU once and for all. Like Valve was forced to offer refunds for digital purchases.

I am not seeing a way where people plugging random unapproved devices into their other device is and the device not being designed for/claiming to support it is illegal. If you are going to use a common port style then you probably want to design it at least unofficially so it handles the obvious failure modes that could result but I am not aware and would hate to have to operate in a place where that is legally mandated or considered negligent for such things.
Similarly I am not seeing how people can't run a private network for a luxury service however they like, much less banning people for doing something which threatens said service and they state up front they do not allow.

 

[l915205]

I am not seeing a way where people plugging random unapproved devices into their other device is and the device not being designed for/claiming to support it is illegal.

Solution is pretty simple. Want to sell your devices in EU? Make them officially compatible with common micro-USB chargers, HDMI cables, 3.5" jacks or whatever. And whoa, you can use your old headphones with iPhone 11. What a miracle!
Of course this will never happen in US where corporations like Apple spent billions to force their proprietary bullshit.