Hacking So, honestly, without any fanboys of higher or lower firmware, is there any reason to stay 4.10?

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Where is all this coldboot info coming from? I can't find anything beyond random posts from people with no real info.
 

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Where is all this coldboot info coming from? I can't find anything beyond random posts from people with no real info.
They may be mixing up coldboot with softmod. Coldboot is theoretically possible up to 3.0.2 but no one is working on it at the moment.
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I intend to be fully transparent about this shit, especially going forwards. At present, I'm not aware of any non-RCM means of getting code execution from coldboot. To the best of my knowledge, nobody else is, either.
The softmod that people are most likely referring to is Deja Vu as seen below
 

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Thats the point I'm getting at. There isn't a cooldboot hack. I see it all over these forums and it doesn't actually exist.

Edit: The only really difference I can find is older firmwares wont need a jig to enter RCM while newer firmwares do. To me it doesn't seem like a good reason to not update. I'm always open to being proven wrong though.
 
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Although autorcm is a little bit yikes, what makes people still wait for a coldbit exploit? It has the same usage

Thats the point I'm getting at. There isn't a cooldboot hack. I see it all over these forums and it doesn't actually exist.

Edit: The only really difference I can find is older firmwares wont need a jig to enter RCM while newer firmwares do. To me it doesn't seem like a good reason to not update. I'm always open to being proven wrong though.
Some people are holding onto the hope that an untethered softmod coldboot becomes available. Not all users wish to use a jig and USB cable to use hacks. Jigs aren't 100% guaranteed to work and may not be entirely safe on the Switch's pins either. The only known alternative to loading hacks is via the warmboot softmods that have been confirmed and shown to work up to 4.1. However, their release date has not been specified yet.
 
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Thats the point I'm getting at. There isn't a cooldboot hack. I see it all over these forums and it doesn't actually exist.

Edit: The only really difference I can find is older firmwares wont need a jig to enter RCM while newer firmwares do. To me it doesn't seem like a good reason to not update. I'm always open to being proven wrong though.
Well for me it's a good reason to stay lower firmware, since it would really annoy me to always use a jig. But that's just my personal opinion.
 
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I understand people not wanting to use a jig. My point is people are touting a coldboot hack as a reason to not update as though it's a fact. No dev has ever said this is happening and in fact cooldboot is extremely unlikely.
 

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Well for me it's a good reason to stay lower firmware, since it would really annoy me to always use a jig. But that's just my personal opinion.
I get that. What made me update from 4.1 was that exfat update, couldnt really be arsed to follow that one guide and just pressed the button.
 

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You only update if you don't mind having to use a jig and a USB cable for possibly the rest of the Switch's life. Some people mind and others don't. Its down to personal preference.

If Mariko switches have the bootrom fixed and are good enough that you want to upgrade, then what you do now is less relevant.
 
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You only update if you don't mind having to use a jig and a USB cable for possibly the rest of the Switch's life. Some people mind and others don't. Its down to personal preference.
The only difference is not using a jig. You will still need a USB C cable and a PC or phone to load a payload.
 
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The only difference is not using a jig. You will still need a USB C cable and a PC or phone to load a payload.
No the USB cable is needed only if you are using an RCM based exploit. Deja Vu is a webpage-based exploit meaning you will not need a jig nor USB cable, you will only need an Internet connection. The only situation where you don't need a jig is if you are using AutoRCM.
 

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I've been searching, and I can't find anything about loading payloads using Deja Vu. If I'm wrong I'll have no problems admitting it, but I just can't find anything.
 

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I've been searching, and I can't find anything about loading payloads using Deja Vu. If I'm wrong I'll have no problems admitting it, but I just can't find anything.
Hacks are loaded differently depending on what you are using. PegaSwitch for example was purely script based. It did not involve payloads. Payloads are used in the current exploit because of how the RCM is configured within the Switch. We first cause a stack smash and after that, some code is sent that is treated as properly signed due to the error we just created. It also must be sent via USB because in RCM, it can accept code from there. For Deja Vu, the closest thing would be the PS4 exploit where you navigate to a webpage and click on the appropriate links to boot hacks.
 

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I've been searching, and I can't find anything about loading payloads using Deja Vu. If I'm wrong I'll have no problems admitting it, but I just can't find anything.

On 1.0 you can use dejavu to switch to rcm mode, without using a "jig".

If you're on 1.0 and use emunand to run a later firmware, then you may run into problems.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/how-to-...-burning-any-fuses.507461/page-5#post-8055508

"your cartridge port will not work on any version < 4.0.0 if you run >= 4.0.0 firmware in any way (this includes emunand in the future)"
 
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Although autorcm is a little bit yikes, what makes people still wait for a coldbit exploit? It has the same usage

AutoRCM isn't that scary. Its easily reversible and the "dead battery" thing that was circling around is false. More of a pain in the ass if you don't have a easy way of running a payload on the go lol.

So how would one "downgrade" from 5.1.0 to 4.1.0 and have it permanent? AFAIK, the guide isn't super user friendly.

You would have had to of updated your switch to 5.1.0 without burning any fuses and then you could restore your own NAND backup of 4.1.0.
I assume you mean rajkosto's guide? That's really the only way that I'm aware of, its a pain but it works.
Me for instance, I was on 3.0 and updated to 5.1.0 without blowing the fuses so now I can downgrade back down to 3.0 whenever I want. A pain to do but it works.
 
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The first will be the last to get the hacks this time around. Just reverse the order and you'll get 5/4/3/2/1!
And it's quite obvious that with Emunand in mind devs optimize everything for the latest FW first as the older ones won't support most features right away. The benefit of staying lower (said time and time again) only pertain to being able to coolboot/warmboot which itself requires to be patient (very patient).
So my advice to you (coming from 4.1 myself) is to update and grab the hacks while they're not patched by Nintendo's next software update!
 

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Hacks are loaded differently depending on what you are using. PegaSwitch for example was purely script based. It did not involve payloads. Payloads are used in the current exploit because of how the RCM is configured within the Switch. We first cause a stack smash and after that, some code is sent that is treated as properly signed due to the error we just created. It also must be sent via USB because in RCM, it can accept code from there. For Deja Vu, the closest thing would be the PS4 exploit where you navigate to a webpage and click on the appropriate links to boot hacks.
Has there been a dev confirming Atmosphere or even Hekate will be ported to use this, or is it just speculation that this will be usable for more than just entering RCM without a jig?
 

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