How do you feel about abortion?

[Navonod]

Lol. I feel like this guy is trying to be a troll. He can't be serious.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

I dunno man, I feel like the Bible is usually pretty clear about what is and isn't a sin, and it's not mentioned in reference to abortion at all.

And yeah, abortion clinics make you pay, but they'll only perform the abortion up to a certain point. The Bible Abortion™ OTOH, lets you kill those brats up to five years old.

You say you dunno, maybe you should go to the Book that has all the answers because we waste our lives on I dunno, no disrespect, if I became a Father and said to my child I screwed you up because I don't know how to be a Father then, I failed miserable and there would be no excuse for it, as the bible tells me how to be a father if I'm willing to listen to it.

I don't want this to drag on, not in this thread, the man didn't make it for these banters if anyone has something to talk about I guess we could PM each other, it would childish to continue this conversation I would say.

 

[Xzi]

You say you dunno, maybe you should go to the Book that has all the answers

I'm listing off Bible quotes to you right now, but that's the problem with it. It's vague and open to interpretation. Therefore it can't have all the answers. It has is some of the answers some of the time, like any book.

If you don't have any further musings on the verses I quoted, I'm going to take them at face value and assume the Bible is mostly pro-abortion.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

How exactly does that prove that? Like I said it seems to be all punishments to me.

They're "punishments" on either the mother or the father. If your argument held any water then all those passages would be saying the child themselves did something wrong and they would be born blind, mute, or leprous, which is what was actually considered a divine punishment of the time. To say that the child is paying for the sins of the parent is not only asinine, it completely contradicts the entire teachings of Jesus in the New Testament

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

I'm listing off Bible quotes to you right now, but that's the problem with it. It's vague and open to interpretation. Therefore it can't have all the answers. It has is some of the answers some of the time, like any book.

If you don't have any further musings on the verses I quoted, I'm going to take them at face value and assume the Bible is mostly pro-abortion.

No it has all the answers to understanding life, try reading the EXB and the AKJV and compare the two, it will help you understand if you want to understand, and read about Jesus' life if you would.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

You say you dunno, maybe you should go to the Book that has all the answers because we waste our lives on I dunno, no disrespect, if I became a Father and said to my child I screwed you up because I don't know how to be a Father then, I failed miserable and there would be no excuse for it, as the bible tells me how to be a father if I'm willing to listen to it.

If it had all the answers you would have read it

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

If it had all the answers you would have read it

If you want the answers you would read it with open eyes. I'm done. (The bible prophesies that people would blind their eyes so they couldn't see the truth.)

 

[ut2k4master]

No it has all the answers

damn, if only i had the bible when i was in school, homework wouldve been so easy


/s

 

[Xzi]

No it has all the answers, try reading the EXB and the AKJV and compare the two, it will help you understand if you want to understand, and read about Jesus' life if you would.

I've been through the whole thing more than I wanted to, I went to a Christian middle school. The Bible is barely relevant to modern society by now, and my teacher didn't have satisfying answers to the Bible's plot holes either. One example being the dinosaurs, which I was told Satan created even having been told previous Satan can't create anything.

I'm agnostic now, and I've seen science do a lot more good for the world than mysticism or wishful thinking (prayer). It's also worth noting that Christianity is simply a remix of other religions that came before it.

 

[osm70]

If you want the answers you would read it with open eyes. I'm done. (The bible prophesies that people would blind their eyes so they couldn't see the truth.)

If the Bible says that some people will not believe it, doesn't that kinda imply that the creators knew (or at least suspected) that the whole thing is bullshit?

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

I've been through the whole thing more than I wanted to, I went to a Christian middle school. The Bible is barely relevant to modern society by now, and my teacher didn't have satisfying answers to the Bible's plot holes either. One example being the dinosaurs, which I was told Satan created even having been told previous Satan can't create anything.

I'm agnostic now, and I've seen science do a lot more good for the world than mysticism or wishful thinking (prayer).

I told you people would sear there conscience or blind there eyes to the truth, those ''teachers" don't know what there talking about because they don't want to, read the word for yourself, seek the truth for yourself, and you will find it, "seek and you will find" everyone else is included in this too. Okay I'm really done now.

 

[Xzi]

I told you people would sear there conscience or blind there eyes to the truth, those ''teachers" don't know what there talking about, read the word for yourself, seek the truth for yourself, and you will find it, "seek and you will find". Okay I'm really done now.

I found nothing but boredom and old cautionary tales in the Bible. Again, tales that aren't really relevant to modern times. It's a whole different type of getting stoned now.

 

[Navonod]

I told you people would sear there conscience or blind there eyes to the truth, those ''teachers" don't know what there talking about because they don't want to, read the word for yourself, seek the truth for yourself, and you will find it, "seek and you will find" everyone else is included in this too. Okay I'm really done now.

He clearly said he has read it before. You're the one with the blind eyes. Lol

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I told you people would sear there conscience or blind there eyes to the truth, those ''teachers" don't know what there talking about because they don't want to, read the word for yourself, seek the truth for yourself, and you will find it, "seek and you will find" everyone else is included in this too. Okay I'm really done now.

... Have you tried that yourself? I mean, there's virtually nothing saying you aren't on the wrong side of what you're saying right now... I HAVE read the entire old testament and most of the new, and I've gotta tell you, apart from the message of peace and hope that the Bible's portrayal of Jesus brings, it's all either Hebrew poetry or straight up violence and hatred

 

[osm70]

... Have you tried that yourself? I mean, there's virtually nothing saying you aren't on the wrong side of what you're saying right now... I HAVE read the entire old testament and most of the new, and I've gotta tell you, apart from the message of peace and hope that the Bible's portrayal of Jesus brings, it's all either Hebrew poetry or straight up violence and hatred

I heard some people say that reading the Bible is the fastest way of becoming an atheist.

 

[SG854]

Aren't you religious by saying it's right to kill a baby

No i’m not.

 

[bitjacker]

People that choose an abortion should have their ovaries taken out/ testicles removed. They should fund wic.

 

[Xzi]

I heard some people say that reading the Bible is the fastest way of becoming an atheist.

It's the hubris of man that gets me. As if, out of the infinite possibilities, we definitely guessed the right god in three tries. It's not the first time I've heard the "all the answers are in the Bible" line either, which is blatantly false. If all the answers were in the Bible, we would've been living in a perfect society for over 2000 years by now. The Bible doesn't tell us how to establish a corruption-free government, or how to neutralize greenhouse emissions and store nuclear waste properly. It doesn't tell us how to manage automation and healthcare. It doesn't give us advice on 99% of modern issues, and that's because it was written by people. People can't see into the future.

 

[pustal]

A mother has a guide book for how to be a mother, and I know that it isn't a easy thing being a single mother but it is her responsibility, the only time adoption should be a option is if the mother is REALLY too young to take care of the child, maybe that should be a teaching tool for other young girls, not to get pregnant in their early lives which can be prevented by not having sex willingly, plain and simple, even with safety precautions to not get pregnant if they do, they need to take care of that baby, it's not the babies fault she had sex, it's hers she needs to deal with it and take accountability, but accountable to who? To GOD, if there is no God it would be fine for a woman to have a abortion, but He says "thou shalt not kill", and you end a life when you have a abortion, so if you say I believe in the bible I would say yeah, but I would also say who doesn't because any type of morality in this world is from God.

a) You are proving my point that this is mostly a religious view. You just disregarded any scientifically base moral discussion to uphold your view based on an interpretation of a 2k year old text which is by itself a base of a group of different religions among several other groups. See a problem in this? Adding the fact that when you discuss against a religious view, you are discussing against dogma, like you implied; And "if there was no God", you are assuming there is a God and it is the one you believe, disregarding any other supposition and believes. If you do not discuss base on facts and proven knowledge, you have no discussion. I go further to show you how it can be a problem: taking a full fundamentalist interpretation on the Bible, can you live your life without killing, killing any form of life whatsoever, being animal or plant? I challenge you to.

b) So should one needlessly suffer in defence of moral high ground of others? Yes, it's one's responsibility of having sex without protection, excluding rape, but carrying out a child that will not be loved or raised properly is ok? Should the child suffer because her mother was deprived of the hability to prevent it from ever existing as a person? Should we prepetuate a circle of poverty? Don't know if it's your case, but many religious advocates claim that contraception is also wrong, is it sex also wrong to start with? Should the women suffer for being human? What about the men?

 

[Megadriver94]

Why not any other circumstance, then?

I also find it permissible(though not mandatory in any way) for abortion as a last resort to save the female's life and many certain incest cases. 3rd Trimester abortions are almost never okay in my book.