Hacking Is Luma the only CFW atm?

[BARNWEY]

I guess in all of this I forgot the underlying message is it's not which CFW is the BEST it is which CFW BETTER suits the users individual needs.

Exactly. In fact, @Crystal the Glaceon wrote a thread about this a while ago. The only info that's out of date on her thread is the Corbenik info, as that CFW is dead
Edit: I was a big Corbenik fan, and now I use Luma as it suits my needs and is still an active CFW (I still miss Corbenik though...)

 

[-G-]

Exactly. In fact, @Crystal the Glaceon wrote a thread about this a while ago. The only info that's out of date on her thread is the Corbenik info, as that CFW is dead
Edit: I was a big Corbenik fan, and now I use Luma as it suits my needs and is still an active CFW (I still miss Corbenik though...)

I heard she was leaving too because of the toxicity, sad because i really liked that guide.

 

[BARNWEY]

I heard she was leaving too because of the toxicity, sad because i really liked that guide.

I don't think she's going anywhere... Though if she did, that would suck. This community has become way too toxic recently...

 

[Jan200101]

I echo @-G- I don't require Rosalina, LayeredFS, etc (hence why I stated ReiNand was more basic). I appreciate the options but maintaining all the extra options one would lend itself that there would be more bugs. In this sense I only use cias (3DS/GBA/DSiWare) so ReiNand suits my needs. Luma3DS is more for the power user who wants the kitchen sink. There are literally 20+ threads for Luma3DS issues. All these options are hard for @AuroraWright and @TuxSH to maintain (just look at the sheer number of commits on the github of Luma). I want to reiterate that while I appreciate the efforts of all devs and their works it is easy to see why @AuroraWright stepped away from support here on these forums as when a feature is buggy the users go into attack mode with complaints and it is taxing to the dev.

The main reason why a lot of people switched to Luma was the drama around dev Reinand.
But I am not

ReiNAND isn't a useless CFW, as it handles things very differently than Luma and appeals to a completely different audience. Don't be pissin' on stuff just because you don't like it kid...
P.S. For anyone reading his post, I never said ReiNAND was useless...

LUMA IS REINAND

 

[Kioku]

Why do we need a variety of CFW that does the same basic thing? I never understood that. Aside from Corbenik and SaltFW... Everything else is just clutter. It sucks that Luma and B9S go hand in hand.. But what can you do? Build your own CFW...

 

[duffmmann]

Wheres ReiNAND, Corbenik, Cakes, etc. for B9S 1.2? Have all the devs on those cfws just quit? WHERES THE VARIETY?!?!?!?!?!??!

They got beat, plain and simple. Luma is just the superior CFW than the rest and ultimately "won." If you want to use a lesser CFW no longer supported that can't be used with B9S, then you're free to do so, but I can't fathom a good reason as to why that would be a good idea.

 

[-G-]

The main reason why a lot of people switched to Luma was the drama around dev Reinand.
But I am not

LUMA IS REINAND

That's like saying vanilla is chocolate. (im hungry)

 

[stl25]

Exactly. In fact, @Crystal the Glaceon wrote a thread about this a while ago. The only info that's out of date on her thread is the Corbenik info, as that CFW is dead
Edit: I was a big Corbenik fan, and now I use Luma as it suits my needs and is still an active CFW (I still miss Corbenik though...)

Yeah I miss Corbenik as well. It was also a basic CFW with AGB/TWL patching that served as a great alternative to ReiNand for me. Now Luma3DS is working excellent for me as I wait for ReiNAND AGB/TWL patching.

 

[Jan200101]

That's like saying vanilla is chocolate. (im hungry)

No really
first Luma was fork of ReiNand called AuReiNand but then because of shit the ReiNand dev did it got renamed to Luma

 

[duffmmann]

No really
first Luma was fork of ReiNand called AuReiNand but then because of shit the ReiNand dev did it got renamed to Luma

Oh yeah, I almost forgot that Luma was originally AuReiNand.

 

[-G-]

No really
first Luma was fork of ReiNand called AuReiNand but then because of shit the ReiNand dev did it got renamed to Luma

I know but they both have different goals: ReiNAND is minimalistic and Luma is more universal and feature rich.

 

[littleman]

It literally took me 10 minutes to update reinand for 11.4.

Good for you. Luma (mostly) supports new firmwares automatically.
I'm just stating facts.

Don't talk about things you don't understand. Just don't go pissing on my work.

What I fail to understand is why would anyone maintain ReiNAND?
Why does anyone still use it? Luma is better in every way.
Why not maintain something useful like Corbeniks instead?

I hope for an alternative too. I used luma a lot recently but in my special case the new builds break many things and workarounds (e.g. all old *hax) which worked for a really long time. Of course a9lh is not supported anymore so I'm forced to update sooner or later.

I asked for a solution on github and instead of "ok, we'll look into this bug and fix that" (which in my opinion as a technician/programmer is the obvious answer), the best I got was: "use the legacy build instead". I bet the next thing which will get "patched" will be dropped emunand support.
Sorry luma, I appreciate new features and stuff but I don't get why all old stuff is not supported anymore. If I would do this in my business I'll get fired the next day. Of course it is opensource and I'm happy with that but I never would make such a decision.
It is not hard to maintain compatibility even if you need to make an option for it.

What's the point of supporting old *hax in CFW if Rosalina lets you launch it directly from an app?
hbmenu 2.0 still supports launching payloads on stock firmwares if that's what you mean.

>Of course a9lh is not supported anymore so I'm forced to update sooner or later.
This is exactly why support for outdated entrypoints was dropped. So people would stop using them.
Entrypoints like MSET, menuhax, other*hax, etc left the sysNAND potentially vulnerable to updating.
Not to mention they're inferior anyway. Why wouldn't you update to B9S? It takes almost no time at all, and is better in every way.

EmuNAND is actually useful for development so support for it won't be dropped.
If you were an experienced developer you would know it's harder to maintain support for multiple entrypoints instead of just one.
Like you said yourself it's open source. If you want to add support for unsafe entrypoints then go for it.

ReiNAND isn't a useless CFW, as it handles things very differently

Sure, if by different you mean have less features.

Here is my reasoning.

I have tried Luma3DS and ReiNand. Luma3DS has a wiki to explain each option and how to setup your config and use (multiple emunand, run sysnand with emunand fw, game patching, etc). ReiNand has no features the user needs to enable/disable or comprehend.

Why would you want something with less features?

I have 1 simple need to install and play games with sig checks disabled.

Okay. Then press start at the config screen and you're done.

I only wish ReiNand had AGB/TWL patching feature so it would remove the requirement of having to install a hacked/patched AGB/TWL cia on your Nand(sys/emu) to enable custom GBA cias and DSiWare cias to run.

Luma already has that.

 

[BARNWEY]

No really
first Luma was fork of ReiNand called AuReiNand but then because of shit the ReiNand dev did it got renamed to Luma

A lot of us know that dude, but Luma has had a long time away from ReiNAND and has become it's own CFW. The code for Luma is very different now... Just because it started off as a fork, doesn't mean it's still the same CFW. With that logic, Counter-Strike 1.6 IS Half-Life...

 

[stl25]

They got beat, plain and simple. Luma is just the superior CFW than the rest and ultimately "won." If you want to use a lesser CFW no longer supported that can't be used with B9S, then you're free to do so, but I can't fathom a good reason as to why that would be a good idea.

I guess in terms of userbase maybe they got beat. Just because a CFW has the most features doesn't make it superior. If by using a lesser CFW you mean less features, there are those among us that prefer that. As cars become more computerized with multiple sensors and safety features, repairs become more expensive as there are more things that can go wrong. I liken this as to why it MAY be a "good reason' for someone to use a "lesser" CFW as development (bug fixing) would be easier to perform.

 

[littleman]

Just because a CFW has the most features doesn't make it superior.

Just because a CFW has less features doesn't make it superior.

 

[BARNWEY]

Sure, if by different you mean have less features.

Why would you want something with less features?

Because there's an audience that likes minimalistic CFWs, where they don't have to think about it...

 

[-G-]

Just because a CFW has less features doesn't make it superior.

He isnt saying reinand is superior.

 

[BARNWEY]

Just because a CFW has less features doesn't make it superior.

Did he say that having less features makes it superior? No. All CFWs are on an equal playing field, as they all do the same thing. It's up to the user to decide which one they like...
P.S. You're acting like a fanboy...

 

[duffmmann]

I guess in terms of userbase maybe they got beat. Just because a CFW has the most features doesn't make it superior. If by using a lesser CFW you mean less features, there are those among us that prefer that. As cars become more computerized with multiple sensors and safety features, repairs become more expensive as there are more things that can go wrong. I liken this as to why it MAY be a "good reason' for someone to use a "lesser" CFW as development (bug fixing) would be easier to perform.

VHS beat Betamax, doesn't mean that Betamax wasn't the superior medium though (it was). It just comes down to where the majority of the user base ran to, and as such the developers of the CFWs started to quit when they saw much less of a demand for what they had. By lesser CFW, I mean CFWs that are no longer supported and can't be used with B9S.

 

[-G-]

Did he say that having less features makes it superior? No. All CFWs are on an equal playing field, as they all do the same thing. It's up to the user to decide which one they like...
P.S. You're acting like a fanboy...

So much this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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VHS beat Betamax, doesn't mean that Betamax wasn't the superior medium though (it was). It just comes down to where the majority of the user base ran to, and as such the developers of the CFWs started to quit when they saw much less of a demand for what they had. By lesser CFW, I mean CFWs that are no longer supported and can't be used with B9S.

So i guess im one of 2 people that still use betamax lol