Hacking Which would be easier for big N to patch out?

[hiroakihsu]

Well I mean, they're so poor with devs finding sploits in their own department they require help from major hackers lmao

If they can pull off dynamic memory allocation to patch ninjahax, you'd think they would've done SD partition table check as well.

 

[Sketchy1]

If they can pull off dynamic memory allocation to patch ninjahax, you'd think they would've done SD partition table check as well.

Basically

 

[Townsperson]

Well I mean, they're so poor with devs finding sploits in their own department they require help from major hackers lmao

You're not being serious, right? Most major tech companies implement bug bounties. It's not out of incompetency. Please don't be stupid.

 

[proflayton123]

You're not being serious, right? Most major tech companies implement bug bounties. It's not out of incompetency. Please don't be stupid.

And who to right mind would be stupid enough to do it anyway?

 

[Townsperson]

for the same reasons pokemon go still crashes so much and are now forced to open a bug bounty page for their dying console:

shitty devs

Game Freak != Nintendo

 

[Sketchy1]

You're not being serious, right? Most major tech companies implement bug bounties. It's not out of incompetency. Please don't be stupid.

We dont call them incompetent for opening a bug bounty page, we call them incompetent because:

1) they wait till NOW to open it

2)their the only company to region lock their games, and neither Sony nor Microsoft does and look how well they are

3)they invest in a much cheaper hardware and dev team

4) they foolishly create competition with themselves

5) they release region-exclusive games

 

[Townsperson]

We dont call them incompetent for opening a bug bounty page, we call them incompetent because:

1) they wait till NOW to open it

2)their the only company to region lock their games, and neither Sony nor Microsoft does and look how well they are

3)they invest in a much cheaper hardware and dev team

4) they foolishly create competition with themselves

5) they release region-exclusive games

1) Probably wasn't a priority for them. The Wii was hacked to hell and back, but still did remarkably well for them.

2) It's a choice, and one that only hurts an extremely small number of users. Importers are definitely a minority, so let's not act like region-locked games are the worst thing ever. Sony and Microsoft make their own blunders (You know, like the Vita)

3) Hardware means nothing (3DS to Vita comparison), and what? Cheaper dev team? You know this how? Oh wait, you're just saying random things. OK.

4) How exactly? They tend to fair extremely well as a company, and so far are the only ones capable of handling the handheld market and console market without being overwhelmingly incompetent. Even the Wii U, being a complete mess, isn't crap. And they funneled as much support into the thing as they could.

5) Literally everyone, everywhere releases region-exclusive crap. How is that suddenly a Nintendo thing? I mean, really, unless you're using this as a second attempt at complaining over region locks, this is a completely useless comment.

Also, you totally called them incompetent for having dumb devs and needing to ask "major hackers" for help. So... Yeah.

Note: Not defending Nintendo and stupid shit they do, but your remarkably off base comments rubbed me the wrong way. Carry on.

 

[Sketchy1]

1) Probably wasn't a priority for them. The Wii was hacked to hell and back, but still did remarkably well for them.

2) It's a choice, and one that only hurts an extremely small number of users. Importers are definitely a minority, so let's not act like region-locked games are the worst thing ever. Sony and Microsoft make their own blunders (You know, like the Vita)

3) Hardware means nothing (3DS to Vita comparison), and what? Cheaper dev team? You know this how? Oh wait, you're just saying random things. OK.

4) How exactly? They tend to fair extremely well as a company, and so far are the only ones capable of handling the handheld market and console market without being overwhelmingly incompetent. Even the Wii U, being a complete mess, isn't crap. And they funneled as much support into the thing as they could.

5) Literally everyone, everywhere releases region-exclusive crap. How is that suddenly a Nintendo thing? I mean, really, unless you're using this as a second attempt at complaining over region locks, this is a completely useless comment.

Also, you totally called them incompetent for having dumb devs and needing to ask "major hackers" for help. So... Yeah.

Note: Not defending Nintendo and stupid shit they do, but your remarkably off base comments rubbed me the wrong way. Carry on.

Firstly, I never said that their so dumb that they needed help from hackers, I just said its dumb to ask the biggest ones, like they're actually gonna respond. 2, I'm not saying that region locks are a bad thing, nor am I complaining about them, with cfw, it doesn't matter. What I was getting at was the fact that they say they use region locks to "keep piracy to one region", so that either promotes buying from another region in order to play a wider selection of games which hurts your own regions Nintendo, or your forced to cfw to actually play them (looking at Japan here, they have the widest selection). And on the self competition note, I don't mean their terrible, nor have I said it, I said its foolish to create your own competition, because the success of one of your consoles kills the other (exhibit a: the push back of the wiiu version of SSB, and Wii u constant ports to 3ds) plus, by "cheaper" I'm implying at worse. It only took till FW 4.5 for them to be hacked and if they had actually spent either more money or spent more time on the system development, it wouldn't have been so easily hacked (I mean, only certain xbox360 could be hacked, and even then, via hardmod). Plus, the vita had a terribly bad game selection, which is why Sony cut their losses so quickly, because the vita also couldn't handle what the ps3/4 was able to do

 

[The Catboy]

A9LH is near impossible to patch out without bricking the system and without possibly bricking unhacked systems. The code for A9LH is tethered to the system, this is why you can't use another person's OTP. As well this reason is why your system bricks when you update without FIRM0/1 protection.
Without that code, there's nothing Nintendo can do. There's also no way Nintendo would be willing to risk bricking everyone's 3DS.

MenuHAX can be removed if you are stupid, but it's unlikely they could do it. They would have to find some way around the emuNAND to remove MenuHAX itself and even then it's no really possible for them to make an update that could update the emuNAND and the sysNAND. So removing menuHAX would be useless because the user could just reinstall it.

 

[RemixDeluxe]

But how can they patch it out if sysnand never gets updated?

The same way you would need to be updated in order to play newer games like Pokemon Sun/Moon. Luckily for most users here there aren't too many big name titles left in the horizon for that to be a possibility.

 

[YourHero]

I'm in alliance with "A9LH won't die because Nintendo isn't going to re-code a dying console."

 

[HyperT]

well actually (correct me if im wrong) a9lh only has firm WRITE protection. just reading firm0 / firm1 i belive is still possible (otherwise the system wouldnt boot). therefore, it can still be possible to detect some change, and abort the startup

Fairly sure Firm0 is the first thing loaded; so not sure what you expect to read it.

Also I take it your actually taking about 'cfw loaded by menuhax or a9lh' as menuhax is removed [and patched] every update - it was only a month or two ago that browser/menuhax support wad added for 10/11 firmwares.

Game Freak != Nintendo

Niantic != GameFreak

 

[Cuphat]

The only way they could "patch" either would be removing A9LH or updating a 9.2 SysNAND straight from EmuNAND. Both are protected by patches. If they break the A9LH-protecting patch, they'd also be able to break the EmuNAND patch most likely.

Any checks to prevent the console from booting if it detects something wrong would be a waste of time for all involved as in both 9.2 Menuhax and A9LH, an ARM9 exploit has already been executed and their checks can be patched out by the CFW.

They could block downgrades from the current firmware to an exploitable firmware, and have been trying for a while but always seem to overlook something stupid. I would not be shocked to see an 11.3 kill the current downgrade path for good by actually requiring an 11.0+ NFIRM. It's more likely that they try to stop consoles from getting exploits installed than to take a wild swing at exploiting their own kernel in an update to bypass the patches and remove A9LH/update SysNAND from EmuNAND.

 

[BARNWEY]

Here are my thoughts on this:
1) I feel that they are focusing on new bugs that could enable downgrading, not on the people who already have A9LH or Menuhax installed
2) They could possibly patch EmuNAND, but you would still have a SysNAND that has Menuhax or A9LH. So, is that really a lose? You would still have the option to update to A9LH, and recover everything if you have a backup...
3) If Nintendo makes a FW that refuses to boot the Home Menu for people with Menuhax or A9LH, you could restore a pre-update NAND backup before the actual FW loads. If it does somehow just nuke your NAND on the initial startup (of the new FW,) there is still the option of getting a hardmod.
4) The partition table could be bypassed by not booting EmuNAND, and then following Plailect's guide to get A9LH (and still have your games.)
5) The only way they could patch CFW once and for all is to break the patches that protect the FIRM or SysNAND, but they're probably more focused on downgrading (like I already said...)
So, there are my thoughts on the issue. I don't think Nintendo have bad developers, I just think that they made some bad decisions......

 

[Distrance]

for the same reasons pokemon go still crashes so much and are now forced to open a bug bounty page for their dying console:

shitty devs

What are you on about? Pokemon Go isn't developed by Nintendo or Game Freak.

 

[Sketchy1]

well ok the analogy might be wrong, but my point still stands. sh!tty development=sh!tty security/products

What are you on about? Pokemon Go isn't developed by Nintendo or Game Freak.

 

[Sketchy1]

So has Nintendo "paid" any hackers yet

 

[gamesquest1]

So has Nintendo "paid" any hackers yet

well I heard 33c3 was canceled as the organiser's refused to move the event to the scene hackers new homes in the Bahamas

 

[Kyousak]

well I heard 33c3 was canceled as the organiser's refused to move the event to the scene hackers new homes in the Bahamas

Where did you read 33c3 was cancelled i wanna read it tho

 

[gamesquest1]

Where did you read 33c3 was cancelled i wanna read it tho

it was just a joke