Homebrew SNES Virtual Console on o3DS maybe?

Lucar

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Sep 12, 2015
Messages
528
Trophies
0
XP
619
Country
Canada
Quoted from @DiscostewSM:

"As one of the contributors to blargSNES, the only reason why it can run many games at 60fps on an o3DS is because it is not only heavily cycle-inaccurate, but it is also using the GPU for hardware rendering. Nintendo is using software-rendering, which is the most accurate, yet, process-intensive method.

Hardware rendering works by rendering each and every map tile and sprite (each split into 8x8 pixels cels, because that's how the SNES works) as a pair of polygons. Each "unique" tile scanned (from left to right, top scanline to bottom of the frame) has to be converted from the SNES's 2/4/8-bitplane form into a 16-bit direct-color, z-order curve format (because the GPU lacks paletted texture support), and stored into a texture cache. Changing of hte palette means any tiles that used the palette in that range has to be reconverted. The lack of paletted textures means that palette effects that show mid-frame can't happen (excludes the "background color). DKC's first level shows this with the trees, though more recent blargSNES builds has the background color gradient working, not the trees. There are other numerous effects that are missing, but we continue looking for alternatives (but RL has been in the way).

In a worst-case scenario for non-hi-res modes, you're looking at around 14.8k polygons per BG per frame when there is scanline alterations being done. Most games use Mode 1, which has 3 BG layers, so a worst-case scenario there would be ~2.66 million polygons per second. Seem like something the 3DS can handle, but take into account that the polygon list has to be generated per frame, which means the list can't reside in VRAM (nor can the texture cache), so it's all running off the main RAM.

Be aware that while we may not care for inaccuracies for free stuff, we do care when it comes to paying for them."

Best Explanation I've ever seen so far.
 

VinsCool

Persona Secretiva Felineus
Global Moderator
Joined
Jan 7, 2014
Messages
14,600
Trophies
4
Location
Another World
Website
www.gbatemp.net
XP
25,218
Country
Canada
retroarch on o3ds does well? since when?
Last time I used it, like in december.

It was fairly good. Most games ran in fullspeed with catsfc (based on snes9x 1.43) catsfc plus was slower.
 

Clydefrosch

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2009
Messages
6,025
Trophies
2
XP
4,642
Country
Germany
Last time I used it, like in december.

It was fairly good. Most games ran in fullspeed with catsfc (based on snes9x 1.43) catsfc plus was slower.

are you sure you're not talking new3ds? whenever i tried the snes emulators, i didn't manage to get a single game run as well as in blargsnes :/
 

Ev1l0rd

(⌐◥▶◀◤) girl - noirscape
Member
Joined
Oct 26, 2015
Messages
2,004
Trophies
1
Location
Site 19
Website
catgirlsin.space
XP
3,441
Country
Netherlands
The thing I wouldn't mind is if we were to try make a 'fake' VC for the SNES. So a BlargSNES cia with only one rom to load. We can copy over the banners from a n3ds rom. It's pretty much the same thing.
 

dankzegriefer

Banned!
Banned
Joined
Aug 19, 2015
Messages
896
Trophies
0
Age
40
XP
560
Country
United States
BlargSNES is not as accurate.

N3DS has better hardware.
Obviously.

Yeah, Blarg can run at 60FPS, doesn't change the fact it's inaccurate and technically inferior to the VC emulator.

/thread
 
Last edited by dankzegriefer,
  • Like
Reactions: NinjaD

Coto

-
Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2010
Messages
2,979
Trophies
2
XP
2,565
Country
Chile
Blargsnes does run games smoother on o3ds (should be good enough) so to me how blargsnes uses dsp and GPU is technically superior to Snes VC (hint: nintendo shouldve done the same).
 

dankzegriefer

Banned!
Banned
Joined
Aug 19, 2015
Messages
896
Trophies
0
Age
40
XP
560
Country
United States
Blargsnes does run games smoother on o3ds (should be good enough) so to me how blargsnes uses dsp and GPU is technically superior to Snes VC (hint: nintendo shouldve done the same).
Great.
In your subjective opinion.
Objectively the emulator is more accurate and better than BlargSNES. I do not care if it runs at 60FPS, accuracy on a PAID product is more important than compatibility with your outdated hunk of plastic.
 

Coto

-
Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2010
Messages
2,979
Trophies
2
XP
2,565
Country
Chile
I have a lot of reasons to think blargsnes could handle special chips (on REALLY old hardware) but i will say i actually give a damn about your words.
 

dankzegriefer

Banned!
Banned
Joined
Aug 19, 2015
Messages
896
Trophies
0
Age
40
XP
560
Country
United States
I have a lot of reasons to think blargsnes could handle special chips (on REALLY old hardware) but i will say i actually give a damn about your words.
>has lots of reasons
>doesn't state a single one
>brings special chips out of nowhere
suuuuuuuure buddy I believe you
 

VinsCool

Persona Secretiva Felineus
Global Moderator
Joined
Jan 7, 2014
Messages
14,600
Trophies
4
Location
Another World
Website
www.gbatemp.net
XP
25,218
Country
Canada
are you sure you're not talking new3ds? whenever i tried the snes emulators, i didn't manage to get a single game run as well as in blargsnes :/
Couldn't remember what I used, but I was in CFW, and it was not blargsnes. I'm sure it was CATsfc, the sound emulation was horrible :/ That's a snes9x 1.43 thing I could recognize in a single second
 
  • Like
Reactions: RedBlueGreen

VinsCool

Persona Secretiva Felineus
Global Moderator
Joined
Jan 7, 2014
Messages
14,600
Trophies
4
Location
Another World
Website
www.gbatemp.net
XP
25,218
Country
Canada
you know they can't actually sell a product in that state
uh, Snes9x is FREE. :huh:
the bad sound quality comes from the inaccurate SPC700 emulation, from the outdated Snes9x 1.43.
 

Site & Scene News

Popular threads in this forum

General chit-chat
Help Users
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    Nighty night, wise one, thanks for trying to help.
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    To sleep perchance to dream!
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    My state has put a heavy tax on vape juice, taxing any juice with nicotine by the weight/oz. So to get around the bs, my local vape store only sells 0 nicotine vape juices, then they also sell straight nicotine in tiny bottles, and you mix it yourself to your 0% juice, lol
    +1
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    Damn, is that Wing from South Park?
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    BigOnYa hmmm I wonder how long until someone just vapes the straight nicotine lol
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    I was gonna say people are not that dumb, but yea you right, some are.
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    People have put 50mg salt nic in straight subohm coils which is like more powerful hits
    +1
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    Hey psi, do they have dress codes down there in FLa, here there are signs on stores that say "No shirt, no service" but curious bout down yonder
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    Yea I tried the salts and too strong for me, I prefer the norm juice
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    In Florida they don't serve you if you have clothes on
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Fucking raining again
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    How can you tell, do you see rain drops on top of other rain drops?
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    I can tell by whenever your wife done letting out loud ass moans then I get her a ticket back home
    +1
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    @BigOnYa, yeah most places demand clothes and shoes, unless it's some really back water place that I am unaware of lol
    +1
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    Cool, I got lunch money for tomorrow then.
  • BakerMan @ BakerMan:
    @K3Nv2 call uremum Sloppenheimer the way she givin me this bomb head
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    I call uremum alzheimer she forgets to leave
    +1
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    Time to start a vape straight nicotine challenge, Darwin be praised!
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Imagine if Hitler had vapes, we promise it's not cyanide it'll help you quit nicotine
    +1
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    Please, walk into my patented vape chamber, aka the non smoking area
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    I do wonder how dominate Germany would've been if they just enlisted Jewish people
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    They actually enlisted Muslims, seriously, because the Muslims hates Jews, even tho it was not the supreme race. He claimed common hate, is friendship.
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    He could've just made them walking shields kind of a dumb ass move
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    https://a.co/d/3km8bqC lol cd level quality I fucking hope so
    K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2: https://a.co/d/3km8bqC lol cd level quality I fucking hope so