Hardware Tablet windows/android or ultrabook for emulation

[RevPokemon]

yup, this 1000 times this
I have an I7 haswell ultrabook (4500u i think) ,with 8 gigs, ultrabooks are complete shit intel ultramobile is total crap
if I knew it was such shit I would never have bought it

can't even run chrome on it without damn near burning my house down
the battery life sucks shit too, not even 1/5 of what was promised
i'm lucky if don't die in 45 min after being taken off AC

just the other day I had another problem, the POS will get up to like 130 degrees with almost nothing running
so i was setting it on one of those reusable gel paks , cold packs you put in the freezer, it has some blue gel in it that don't freeze
I have been doing this for a few months with no problems ...until a few days ago
the fucking thing melted through the plastic and ruptured the fucking bag , blue gel all over my sheets and bottom of the ultrashitbook
this thing is literally a fucking firehazard

Issue is all the ultrabooks and gaming laptops use them. I mean I don't know any ultrabooks or gaming laptops that use amd

 

[weatMod]

Issue is all the ultrabooks and gaming laptops use them. I mean I don't know any ultrabooks or gaming laptops that use amd

I know and I can't imagine AMD would be any better either , intel is not good at making ultramobile chips
I can't imagine the Nvidia k1 or x1 will nave such horrible heat dissipation or power problems
why are intels x86 U chips such shit at running full x86 programs? seems like this shit is not even designed to run anything but app shit versions of programs, and full x86 programs were like an afethought like MS told intel oh don't worry if your chips can barely run full x86 versions of anything we really want to try and drive people to our total failure shit app store ,even though thee are no apps there
I don't even know how it runs apps, are they run in some special ARM mode or something? or are they still run in x86?
anyway the thing is really quite useless ultramobile my ass battery dies in 45 min when they promise 61/2 to 7 hours (just had sealed battery replaced too) you have to be teatered to AC 90% of the time, can't put it on your lap cause you will end up with 2n dergree burns and end up sterile
browser performance is awful and worthless, I guess the win 8 app versions are lighter and would work better, but fuck that I hate the apps cause I cant live without my win taskbar and switching between win 8 apps or win 8 apps and desktop apps while using the win 8 app version of chrome or other app version of browsers is a huge hassle
intel is shit and win 8 /8.1 is a shit ass fractured experience and you can't run non app versions of anything without getting absolute shit performance

its like worst of both worlds it's like having a shitty laptop that cant do shit and and even shittier tablet that is ridiculously heavy ,has no apps and the shittiest battery life imaginable

 

[RevPokemon]

I know and I can't imagine AMD would be any better either , intel is not good at making ultramobile chips
I can't imagine the Nvidia k1 or x1 will nave such horrible heat dissipation or power problems
why are intels x86 U chips such shit at running full x86 programs? seems like this shit is not even designed to run anything but app shit versions
the thing is really quite useless ultramobile my ass battery dies in 45 min when they promise 61/2 to 7 hours (just had sealed battery replaced too) you have to be teatered to AC 90% of the time, can't put it on your lap cause you will end up with 2n dergree burns and end up sterile
browser performance is awful and worthless, I guess the win 8 app versions are lighter and would work better, but fuck that I hate the apps cause I cant live without my win taskbar and switching between win 8 apps or win 8 apps and desktop apps while using the win 8 app version of chrome or other app version of browsers is a huge hassle
intel is shit and win 8 /8.1 is a shit ass fractured experience and you can't run non app versions of anything without getting absolute shit performance

Hmm makes me wonder if it works better with Linux?

 

[weatMod]

Hmm makes me wonder if it works better with Linux?

I bet it would , someday i will get around to setting up a thumb drive with whatever distro is good for this machine, but I am clueless about linux, I know there is a distro that supports touch now though for mobiles and ultrabooks or maybe there are a few, I have no clue

 

[Joydivision]

For GC games, the only thing that's anywhere near fullspeed are Tegra K1/X1 devices, with X1 being the best, and the only device with X1 in it so far is the Shield Android TV, but there's a new Shield tablet in the works using that CPU.

Some gameplay on the Tegra K1:

I don't think there's a PS2 emulator for Android, and I don't know of any ultrabooks/windows tablets that are powerful enough to emulate GC/Wii. The problem is that while they are technically powerful enough, they use ULV CPUs so the performance is capped if power draw goes above the (very low) power rating of the CPU. My Surface Pro 3 gives me fullspeed in Dolphin for a few seconds or so, but then FPS drops severely and I'm pretty sure it's the power draw that's being capped as the temps don't get that high.
PS2 should work pretty well on an Ultrabook or Windows tablet though (just not an Atom)

I hope the future shield model (apparently "portable") will be released soo!
If PCSX2 wors well on tablet'ultrabook that's good for me (i 'm more interested in PS2 games than in GC/Wii games).
Do you try PCSX2 on your surface pro 3, does it work well? on the i5 model?

 

[Joydivision]

I hesitate between the surface pro 3 i5 (better for portability and mode tablet using) and these models of ultrabooks (PCSX2 is my priority (ander emulation of older consoles (dolphin is only optional for me).
these models of ultrabooks are very light (one of those have a graphic card nvidia)

-http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00181336.html
http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00186521.html
http://www.cdiscount.com/informatiq...4713147599073.html?idOffre=36689236#mpos=9|mp
http://www.cdiscount.com/informatiq...371-53m3/f-1070992-nxmpfef059.html#mpos=13|cd

i knwo it's the serie U of intel processors (but on ultrabooks and tablets there's no other choice)

 

[weatMod]

im telling you they are a waste of money just wait and buy a new skylake laptop and a NVidia shield 2
ultra mobile is ultra shit, yeah sure it's light, but it's also light on performance, to say the least, and it lightens your wallet too, a total waste of money

 

[The Real Jdbye]

I hope the future shield model (apparently "portable") will be released soo!
If PCSX2 wors well on tablet'ultrabook that's good for me (i 'm more interested in PS2 games than in GC/Wii games).
Do you try PCSX2 on your surface pro 3, does it work well? on the i5 model?

I haven't tried PCSX2, but I looked around and it looks like it runs relatively well. More demanding games suffer from throttling (down to 30-45 FPS at the lowest) whereas other games run at a solid 60 FPS.

I hesitate between the surface pro 3 i5 (better for portability and mode tablet using) and these models of ultrabooks (PCSX2 is my priority (ander emulation of older consoles (dolphin is only optional for me).
these models of ultrabooks are very light (one of those have a graphic card nvidia)

-http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00181336.html
http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00186521.html
http://www.cdiscount.com/informatiq...4713147599073.html?idOffre=36689236#mpos=9|mp
http://www.cdiscount.com/informatiq...371-53m3/f-1070992-nxmpfef059.html#mpos=13|cd

i knwo it's the serie U of intel processors (but on ultrabooks and tablets there's no other choice)

Wait for Surface Pro 4, which is rumored to release alongside Windows 10. Core M should be a big improvement.
I love my Surface Pro 3, I especially love that it never heats up my lap when I use it as a laptop because the fans are at the top of the screen. It runs retro games and older PC games without problems, but it will be much better as a tablet when they make a fanless design. Whether that will help or hurt thermal throttling though, remains to be seen.
The prices of the Pro 3 should drop once the Pro 4 comes out as well.
Edit: Core M seems to do dolphin well,
That's the top-of-the-line M processor and even that is only a 1.2ghz standard clock (2.9 turbo though). They support configurable TDP so that any throttling related to high power usage can be limited by increasing the TDP, which leaves just thermal throttling and it looks like that's not a problem either.

 

[Shady Guy Jose]

So, in terms of emulation, Android can do:
- everything 16-bit and 32-bit
- N64 to a certain extent and PSP almost flawlessly
- has slightly better battery life (depends on the tablet)

Desktop Windows(also known as x86/x64 Windows, like the one found in the Surface Pro 3) can do:
- everything 16-bit and 32-bit
- N64 decently well(Project64 was updated recently, if I recall correctly) and PSP flawlessly
- PS2 and Gamecube/Wii if the processor is strong enough (I believe the Surface Pro 3 should handle these at native res)

Portable Windows(like the one found in the regular Surface 3) can do:
- pretty much nothing

I'd say pick up a Surface Pro 3 if you don't care for the battery that much (especially of you're going to emulate, which drains the battery for 2-3 hours) or get something like a Nexus 7/9 if you want something cheaper with better battery that isn't as capable.

If you ask me, seeing as you'll use the tablet purely for media consumption, I'd recommend an Android device, since it just does a better job.
Windows tablets are meant for people who want to do work on the go (or play League/Dota 2 ).

Surface 3 runs x64 Windows. Microsoft dropped Windows RT in this one.

 

[Joydivision]

I haven't tried PCSX2, but I looked around and it looks like it runs relatively well. More demanding games suffer from throttling (down to 30-45 FPS at the lowest) whereas other games run at a solid 60 FPS.


Wait for Surface Pro 4, which is rumored to release alongside Windows 10. Core M should be a big improvement.
I love my Surface Pro 3, I especially love that it never heats up my lap when I use it as a laptop because the fans are at the top of the screen. It runs retro games and older PC games without problems, but it will be much better as a tablet when they make a fanless design. Whether that will help or hurt thermal throttling though, remains to be seen.
The prices of the Pro 3 should drop once the Pro 4 comes out as well.
Edit: Core M seems to do dolphin well,
That's the top-of-the-line M processor and even that is only a 1.2ghz standard clock (2.9 turbo though). They support configurable TDP so that any throttling related to high power usage can be limited by increasing the TDP, which leaves just thermal throttling and it looks like that's not a problem either.

Thanks for your advice.
happy to have some returns from a pro 3 owner.
i hope MS announce quickly the Pro 4 :0)
I think this type of core M (the one in the video)is found in very expensive ultrabooks

 

[weatMod]

I haven't tried PCSX2, but I looked around and it looks like it runs relatively well. More demanding games suffer from throttling (down to 30-45 FPS at the lowest) whereas other games run at a solid 60 FPS.


Wait for Surface Pro 4, which is rumored to release alongside Windows 10. Core M should be a big improvement.
I love my Surface Pro 3, I especially love that it never heats up my lap when I use it as a laptop because the fans are at the top of the screen. It runs retro games and older PC games without problems, but it will be much better as a tablet when they make a fanless design. Whether that will help or hurt thermal throttling though, remains to be seen.
The prices of the Pro 3 should drop once the Pro 4 comes out as well.
Edit: Core M seems to do dolphin well,
That's the top-of-the-line M processor and even that is only a 1.2ghz standard clock (2.9 turbo though). They support configurable TDP so that any throttling related to high power usage can be limited by increasing the TDP, which leaves just thermal throttling and it looks like that's not a problem either.

it is?
so they are going to stop using the ultramobile chips and go with regular laptop chips instead?
and they are not going to need a fan?
so I guess this proves it then, ultramobile is shit, and the chips need even more cooling than a regular laptop chip
I thought the whole point of an ultramobile chip was to be fanless, because it is supposed to consume less power and be more efficient
why are intel's ultramobile chips so ass backwards when compared to say a NVidia k1, and x1? or an other mobile chips?
is it just because they are x86 and the other chips are ARM?

if an "ultramobile" chips needs a fan and regular mobile laptop chip doesn't then what does that say about ultramobile?
it would be like apple designing chips for their ipads and iphones that need fans and then designing chips for their mac book air or mac book pro that don't need fans, it makes no sense

guess this why MS initially chose and ARM CPU for their surfASS , the future of "ultramobile" x86 does not bode well
anything smaller than standard size laptop running x86 is going to be shit for a while , id say for at least another 4 generations

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Thanks for your advice.
happy to have some returns from a pro 3 owner.
i hope MS announce quickly the Pro 4 :0)
I think this type of core M (the one in the video)is found in very expensive ultrabooks

Indeed, they're only used in ultrabooks so far, but they seem to be the future of laptops and possibly tablets.

it is?
so they are going to stop using the ultramobile chips and go with regular laptop chips instead?
and they are not going to need a fan?
so I guess this proves it then, ultramobile is shit, and the chips need even more cooling than a regular laptop chip
I thought the whole point of an ultramobile chip was to be fanless, because it is supposed to consume less power and be more efficient
why are intel's ultramobile chips so ass backwards when compared to say a NVidia k1, and x1? or an other mobile chips?
is it just because they are x86 and the other chips are ARM?

if an "ultramobile" chips needs a fan and regular mobile laptop chip doesn't then what does that say about ultramobile?
it would be like apple designing chips for their ipads and iphones that need fans and then designing chips for their mac book air or mac book pro that don't need fans, it makes no sense

guess this why MS initially chose and ARM CPU for their surfASS , the future of "ultramobile" x86 does not bode well
anything smaller than standard size laptop running x86 is going to be shit for a while , id say for at least another 4 generations

I'm not sure what you're on about, but the Core M chips are fanless. The x86/64 architecture has never been as efficient as ARM, and that means more heat generation, and more cooling required.
That in turn means bigger devices, and is why x86/64 has never been favored for mobile devices, like phones and handhelds. ARM is used in mobile devices for that very reason, it's not Intel's fault, it's just a completely diferent architecture.
Tablets with x86/64 have only recently become popular as they made more efficient CPUs and were able to make reasonably thin devices with little cooling.
Core M might change all that however, as it's designed to be fanless, and they will keep improving on that design to make increasingly powerful fanless Intel-based devices.
However, Atoms already ran pretty well without fans, and in raw benchmarks did better than the top-end ARM CPUs, but did worse than them in GPU benchmarks. Core M are much better in both of those departments.

 

[weatMod]

Indeed, they're only used in ultrabooks so far, but they seem to be the future of laptops and possibly tablets.

I'm not sure what you're on about, but the Core M chips are fanless. The x86/64 architecture has never been as efficient as ARM, and that means more heat generation, and more cooling required.
That in turn means bigger devices, and is why x86/64 has never been favored for mobile devices, like phones and handhelds. ARM is used in mobile devices for that very reason, it's not Intel's fault, it's just a completely diferent architecture.
Tablets with x86/64 have only recently become popular as they made more efficient CPUs and were able to make reasonably thin devices with little cooling.
Core M might change all that however, as it's designed to be fanless, and they will keep improving on that design to make increasingly powerful fanless Intel-based devices.
However, Atoms already ran pretty well without fans, and in raw benchmarks did better than the top-end ARM CPUs, but did worse than them in GPU benchmarks. Core M are much better in both of those departments.

oh sorry I was confusing core M with laptop chips aren't they called mobile M
anyway intel over promised and under delivered with their U processors

 

[The Real Jdbye]

h sorry I was confusing core M with laprop ships aren't they called mobile m
anyway intel over promised and under delivered with their U processors

The new mobile CPUs are called Core M yes. They're the latest generation, no longer called core i3, i5 etc, and separate from desktop CPUs, which is for the best as it allows them to make CPUs better optimized for ultrabooks and tablets that aren't based on desktop CPUs.
I don't know about the U CPUs, I didn't really see any of their promises.

 

[weatMod]

The new mobile CPUs are called Core M yes. They're the latest generation, no longer called core i3, i5 etc, and separate from desktop CPUs, which is for the best as it allows them to make CPUs better optimized for ultrabooks and tablets that aren't based on desktop CPUs.
I don't know about the U CPUs, I didn't really see any of their promises.

U is the ultramoblie line they put in the ultrabooks and convertibles ,they have fans still and the performance is not good, battery life is awful
yeah now I remember core M is what they use for phones and tablets so it is even weaker than the U or ultramoblile series processors, U series still has the I3, i5 and i7 labels

 

[The Real Jdbye]

U is the ultramoblie line they put in the ultrabooks and convertibles ,they have fans still and the performance is not good, battery life is awful
yeah now I remember core M is what they use for phones and tablets so it is even weaker than the U or ultramoblile series processors, U series still has the I3, i5 and i7 labels

Seems stronger based on the video I posted earlier, actually.

 

[weatMod]

Seems stronger based on the video I posted earlier, actually.

yeah I know I saw that, I can't figure it out , it is only a year newer than my i7 4500U
and this thing sucks, i looked at the specs, the M-5Y71 , and the clock and overclock is rated not that much lower than the i7
the main difference is the TDP , it says it's 4.5 W on the M-5Y71 and 15 watts on the i7 4500U, that is a huge difference
just checked , the i7 uses the 22nm process, i though it was using a smaller one for some reason.
the core M is made with the 14nm process
i guess it really does make a huge difference in TDP

they still say the oga 2 pro wasn't as good as haswell

Seems stronger based on the video I posted earlier, actually.

I know it does, something seems suspect,
the core M-5Y71 has slightly less better specks than the i7 4500U
the reviews claim that the haswell i7 is better but I have it and it sucks
i looked at the specs, the core M says it has a MUCH better TDP , like less than 1/3 that of the 4500U , 4.5 watts for the core M and 15 watts for the i7 , seems like a huge difference
especially since this thing (4500u haswell)gets hot as fuck even with the fan(which NEVER turns off BTW)

the core M is made with the 14 nm process, the i7 4500u haswell is a 22nm process
I didn't even realize the 4500u was 22nm I though they had 14nm before then, oh well
im stuck now an di am not spending any more money for a few years

 

[The Real Jdbye]

yeah I know I saw that, I can't figure it out , it is only a year newer than my i7 4500U
and this thing sucks, i looked at the specs, the M-5Y71 , and the clock and overclock is rated not that much lower than the i7
the main difference is the TDP , it says it's 4.5 W on the M-5Y71 and 15 watts on the i7 4500U, that is a huge difference
just checked , the i7 uses the 22nm process, i though it was using a smaller one for some reason.
the core M is made with the 14nm process
i guess it really does make a huge difference in TDP

they still say the oga 2 pro wasn't as good as haswell

I know it does, something seems suspect,
the core M-5Y71 has slightly less better specks than the i7 4500U
the reviews claim that the haswell i7 is better but I have it and it sucks
i looked at the specs, the core M says it has a MUCH better TDP , like less than 1/3 that of the 4500U , 4.5 watts for the core M and 15 watts for the i7 , seems like a huge difference
especially since this thing (4500u haswell)gets hot as fuck even with the fan(which NEVER turns off BTW)

the core M is made with the 14 nm process, the i7 4500u haswell is a 22nm process
I didn't even realize the 4500u was 22nm I though they had 14nm before then, oh well
im stuck now an di am not spending any more money for a few years

Heh, yeah. Core M seems like a huge improvement when it comes to mobile CPUs. From what I've gathered, lower nm means better efficiency which means less heat production and lower TDP, so it's a good thing all around. But I would love to try one out for myself and see how it compares to the Surface Pro 3 as well as regular laptops in daily use as well as the occasional gaming.

 

[raystriker]

Coming back to topic, we know the ULV laptops are shit. And I can't see how the Tegra X1 would do any better... The ARM Cortex A57 just doesn't provide the bite to possibly ever run Dolphin.
Core M might show potential but we won't know unless they hit the market with full force