Hacking Does Gateway support RTS?

[alucard77]

Sorry if this was asked, I was skimming around and did not see anything. Does Gateway currently support RTS (Real Time Saves)?

Also, is there any issues with saving in general? I have been using 2.1 just today and didn't see any issue with a game saving.

Thanks for reading.

 

[octopus]

1. No.
2. No.

 

[apachehavok]

What are real time saves on 3ds?

 

[lambstone]

What are real time saves on 3ds?

They are exactly what they are.

Saving games. In real time!

In 3DS's case, its more like real time save file backup to sd card.

 

[apachehavok]

Oh you mean like save states in emulators? Real time saving is not a thing even on real un-modded retail 3d's right?

 

[IronClouds]

Gateway's Real-Time Saving feature is the same as when you save the game as you would a retail cart (using the games normal saving functions in menus, etc.). It's only a big deal because prior to the Omega releases, you had to close out of the ROM using HOME + X + A so that the save file is retained and your progress is not lost next time you load up that ROM (there's more to this, but this is the gist of it). Save states like on an emulator are currently not possible on Gateway or any other 3DS mode flashcart.

 

[apachehavok]

Still slightly confused here. With games like say, Luigis Manson where you have to get to a checkpoint for it to even save....even on a real cart, closing out between save points in the game would still lose progress. How was it any different before?

Are you saying that for gateways pre OMEGA save feature to work you had to at least quit out once for it to even create a save file?

Either way, with OMEGA 2.1 all saving is pretty much identical to retail 3ds's correct?

 

[IronClouds]

Okay, let's use your example. Luigi's Mansion handles saving by having the player reach checkpoints (I haven't played that game, so I'm going by your post only). When you reached that checkpoint on a Gateway 2.0b2 firmware and lower (and using a Luigi's Mansion ROM), you'd see the saving animation and you'd be under the impression that your progress is being saved. If you were to power down your 3DS in-game and switch ROMs or play DS games on the same 3DS, your Luigi's Mansion progress would be lost. In order for your Luigi's Mansion save to be retained, you would have had to exit the game by pressing HOME, then X, then A to go back to the Gateway mode 3DS menu. This is how you had to exit every 3DS game so your saves would be functioning normally.

Edit: As of Gateway's recent Omega releases, you can exit games however you choose and your saves would work next time you fire up that ROM.

 

[apachehavok]

^^gotcha thanks!!! But as of now thats all fixed with OMEGA 2.1 right?

 

[IronClouds]

Yep. If Omega were a woman, she'd bear my children.

 

[redkeyboard]

Has anyone actually tested the real time save feature? Keep in mind that prior to omega saves were transferred to the red card real time, but to the SD card by Home + X. The proper way to test would be by ejecting the cart, switching roms, saving in that rom, then going back to the other rom and seeing if it saved.

 

[alucard77]

Hey guys,

When I was referring to real time save, it was like a save state in an emulator. I know for my Nintendo DS they referred to it as a real time save or RTS enabled.

So in the example above, In Luigis mansion you can save anywhere and when you load up the RTS or save state, or whatever you want to call it, it will load from that exact point you saved.

It does not need to be at a checkpoint.

 

[IronClouds]

Hey guys,

When I was referring to real time save, it was like a save state in an emulator. I know for my Nintendo DS they referred to it as a real time save or RTS enabled.

So in the example above, In Luigis mansion you can save anywhere and when you load up the RTS or save state, or whatever you want to call it, it will load from that exact point you saved.

It does not need to be at a checkpoint.

What you're describing is not possible on a 3DS mode flashcart. I understand what you were asking, I was simply clearing up what Gateway meant when they referred to their feature as Real Time Saving.

 

[elunesgrace]

Hey guys,

When I was referring to real time save, it was like a save state in an emulator. I know for my Nintendo DS they referred to it as a real time save or RTS enabled.

So in the example above, In Luigis mansion you can save anywhere and when you load up the RTS or save state, or whatever you want to call it, it will load from that exact point you saved.

It does not need to be at a checkpoint.

That would be a hack, so no.

 

[alucard77]

What you're describing is not possible on a 3DS mode flashcart. I understand what you were asking, I was simply clearing up what Gateway meant when they referred to their feature as Real Time Saving.

Gotcha. It gets confusing when companies use the same name for different features.

I am sure they will eventually do save states. If they figured it out on the DS, I'm sure they will figure it out here as well.

 

[tbgtbg]

Has anyone actually tested the real time save feature? Keep in mind that prior to omega saves were transferred to the red card real time, but to the SD card by Home + X. The proper way to test would be by ejecting the cart, switching roms, saving in that rom, then going back to the other rom and seeing if it saved.

You don't need to eject the cart to switch roms anymore, though. Switching between roms my saves are all still there, so beyond that, I don't know what else there is to say.

Yep. If Omega were a woman, she'd bear my children.

If Omega were a woman she'd be so... popular... that we'd all need to go on Maury to find who is the father.

 

[Retrievil]

You don't need to eject the cart to switch roms anymore, though. Switching between roms my saves are all still there, so beyond that, I don't know what else there is to say.

You have to save a game, then power down your 3DS without exiting to the menu to truly test it. Switching roms requires you to exit to the menu, which would save like it did on firmwares before omega.

Has anyone actually tested the real time save feature? Keep in mind that prior to omega saves were transferred to the red card real time, but to the SD card by Home + X. The proper way to test would be by ejecting the cart, switching roms, saving in that rom, then going back to the other rom and seeing if it saved.

Yes I tested it to be sure. I did with a couple games. Games save just like carts now, you do not have to exit.

 

[jqrn]

You have to save a game, then power down your 3DS without exiting to the menu to truly test it. Switching roms requires you to exit to the menu, which would save like it did on firmwares before omega.



Yes I tested it to be sure. I did with a couple games. Games save just like carts now, you do not have to exit.

I'm one of those who hardly ever shuts down the 3ds. I've been playing harmoknights up to 45 royal notes. After a couple of days, i got an error stating that the card had been removed. Np I thought. There's RTS in omega. But no. All was lost because i didnt do the old fashioned HOME-> X manouvre.

How did you go by to get it to save like retail card?

 

[Pedeadstrian]

I'm one of those who hardly ever shuts down the 3ds. I've been playing harmoknights up to 45 royal notes. After a couple of days, i got an error stating that the card had been removed. Np I thought. There's RTS in omega. But no. All was lost because i didnt do the old fashioned HOME-> X manouvre.

How did you go by to get it to save like retail card?

It seems, for whatever reason, that if the game is halted through a crash, the progress is not saved. I've seen this happen during the two times Omega has crashed on me, but luckily the first one only lost 10-20 minutes of progress, and the second one was testing to see if that crash could be replicated.

 

[MGS1980]

It seems, for whatever reason, that if the game is halted through a crash, the progress is not saved. I've seen this happen during the two times Omega has crashed on me, but luckily the first one only lost 10-20 minutes of progress, and the second one was testing to see if that crash could be replicated.

I've also had this happen once while playing since the update. I lost about an hour of progress (I should have saved since I had made significant progress, but didn't.)

I can't totally fault Gateway though since I have had this happen once or twice on a non modified 3DS and using retail carts. I'm just chalking it up to a hiccup while playing the game causing a crash just like on any other console (disk and cart based.) Best advice that I can give is just save often, especially if you have made significant progress.