Hacking Gateway 3DS - First 3DS Flashcart

[PsyBlade]

In an 'unconfirmed' email response they said that Nintendo's new update was not a move to block them

Yeah an update that
- blocks the gateway
- was the first 3DS update that was so rushed that:

- it has serious stability problems​

- hadn't even implemented all features in all regions​

- needed a quick fix for the worst problems shortly after​

- was release right when the gateway team should already have produced stock, but haven't sold any (thus causing serious costs)

totally no a move against them

 

[160R]

smells like Crown

Yeah, totally agree.

A new team born from nowhere, who offers an expensive card not even based in an exploit, and which product is blocked even before release.

No region free, no homebrew, no ds mode, not even the chance to put several games in a same memory or keep the save right now.

It looks more like one of those fake gameboy cartridge manufacturers than a card/flashcart manufacturer like acekard, supercard, r4 or other teams...

If they fix the 6.0.0 block after a month or so, and it ever gets released, Nintendo will release 6.1.0 after a couple of days and team will spend other month trying to fix it. And this process again and again.

 

[PsyBlade]

If they fix the 6.0.0 block after a month or so, and it ever gets released, Nintendo will release 6.1.0 after a couple of days and team will spend other month trying to fix it. And this process again and again.

For the record: 6.1.0 was released some days ago to fix problems in 6.0.0
But the argument still stands of course (with 6.2.0)

 

[Pedeadstrian]

Yeah an update that
- blocks the gateway
- was the first 3DS update that was so rushed that:

- it has serious stability problems​

- hadn't even implemented all features in all regions​

- needed a quick fix for the worst problems shortly after​

- was release right when the gateway team should already have produced stock, but haven't sold any (thus causing serious costs)

totally no a move against them

Didn't that update block every single flashcard? Isn't it possible that, through the mystery that is 3DS firmware, something that blocked already-established flashcards, also blocked Gateway, unintentionally?

 

[PsyBlade]

Isn't it possible that, through the mystery that is 3DS firmware, something that blocked already-established flashcards, also blocked Gateway, unintentionally?

Possible yes, but unlikely.
The method they usually use to block DS flashcarts (verifying the game) would not work against the Gateway.
I think that the general lack of long term success of that method and the gateway caused them to try a different approach again.
(Like the save chip check that killed most carts (~ 4.5.0 iirc))

 

[nervx]

if the delay is truly due to manufacturing issues or they've been improving things that's fine but they should put out a video showing the latest firmware and the card running on it to early adopters at ease.

 

[Cartmanuk]

For arguments sake lets call my info a [Rumor]

I received an email from them and Cdistb, Stating that manufacturing has not yet started.
They are still in testing and will start manufacturing as soon as next week.

The company they are using to distribute the card, has stated the following:

There is a strict rule stating that resellers must not take payment before they received their stock, all those taking deposits and full payment will have there site taken off of the resellers page and will more to the back of the order Que.

 

[ImperialX]

Happy new month. Hope this month is the one that it gets released.

I wouldn't keep my hopes up.

 

[totalnoob617]

if the delay is truly due to manufacturing issues or they've been improving things that's fine but they should put out a video showing the latest firmware and the card running on it to early adopters at ease.

no perhaps they shouldnt ,in fact what they should have done is kept their mouths shut all along and not release any video or announcement until they had the card already manufactured ,just announced it for sale one day straight out of the blue, maybe told some resellers but made them promise to keep quiet
sure the fw update could not have been targeted at them specifically ,i think that is very likely, but still would have been better not to give any heads up to big N

 

[Naridar]

Yeah an update that
- blocks the gateway
- was the first 3DS update that was so rushed that:

- it has serious stability problems​

- hadn't even implemented all features in all regions​

- needed a quick fix for the worst problems shortly after​

- was release right when the gateway team should already have produced stock, but haven't sold any (thus causing serious costs)

totally no a move against them

This might be only a conspiracy theory, but what if the firmware update was exactly the intention of this card?

Just a flowchart of thoughts:
- Nintendo has seemingly patched any exploits in the pre-6.0 firmwares.
- Someone at the scene thought that a rushed firmware update could have a number of exploitable elements. (s)he thought that a threat of piracy could taunt Nintendo into rushing out a major update (with some tacked-on features not to be too obvious).
- They made a 1:1 clone card, Gateway3DS, which uses no exploits but made Nintendo believe it does by composing the description that way.
- Nintendo, as expected, rushed out with the 6.0 update which contained so many flaws they had to release a minor patch almost immediately.
- Now, the scene has the un-minor-patched 6.0 firmware which is rife with bugs and likely multiple exploitable flaws.
- They can now freely search for these exploits that can hack the system wide open.

 

[Shady Guy Jose]

This might be only a conspiracy theory, but what if the firmware update was exactly the intention of this card?

Just a flowchart of thoughts:
- Nintendo has seemingly patched any exploits in the pre-6.0 firmwares.
- Someone at the scene thought that a rushed firmware update could have a number of exploitable elements. (s)he thought that a threat of piracy could taunt Nintendo into rushing out a major update (with some tacked-on features not to be too obvious).
- They made a 1:1 clone card, Gateway3DS, which uses no exploits but made Nintendo believe it does by composing the description that way.
- Nintendo, as expected, rushed out with the 6.0 update which contained so many flaws they had to release a minor patch almost immediately.
- Now, the scene has the un-minor-patched 6.0 firmware which is rife with bugs and likely multiple exploitable flaws.
- They can now freely search for these exploits that can hack the system wide open.

Too good to be true

 

[Rydian]

- was the first 3DS update that was so rushed that:

- it has serious stability problems​

I remember one or two before.​

 

[bluejon]

if the delay is truly due to manufacturing issues or they've been improving things that's fine but they should put out a video showing the latest firmware and the card running on it to early adopters at ease.

no perhaps they shouldnt ,in fact what they should have done is kept their mouths shut all along and not release any video or announcement until they had the card already manufactured ,just announced it for sale one day straight out of the blue, maybe told some resellers but made them promise to keep quiet
sure the fw update could not have been targeted at them specifically ,i think that is very likely, but still would have been better not to give any heads up to big N

I agree with both of you! The delay is necessary in regards to updating the firmware! Showcasing it wouldn't be the best option right now but it would be nice in the near future...maybe after the release!

 

[Riyus]

Well, it's a good thing after all. This way we will see how commited the Gateway team is to their product. I wouldn't like to spend 80 bucks without the possibility of future updates.

 

[unz]

This might be only a conspiracy theory, but what if the firmware update was exactly the intention of this card?

Just a flowchart of thoughts:
- Nintendo has seemingly patched any exploits in the pre-6.0 firmwares.
- Someone at the scene thought that a rushed firmware update could have a number of exploitable elements. (s)he thought that a threat of piracy could taunt Nintendo into rushing out a major update (with some tacked-on features not to be too obvious).
- They made a 1:1 clone card, Gateway3DS, which uses no exploits but made Nintendo believe it does by composing the description that way.
- Nintendo, as expected, rushed out with the 6.0 update which contained so many flaws they had to release a minor patch almost immediately.
- Now, the scene has the un-minor-patched 6.0 firmware which is rife with bugs and likely multiple exploitable flaws.
- They can now freely search for these exploits that can hack the system wide open.

For sure! Because it would totally be so easy to manipulate a company that has been in the gaming biz since 1889.

 

[Pedeadstrian]

For sure! Because it would totally be so easy to manipulate a company that has been in the gaming biz since 1889.

I'm pretty sure making physical card games, offering cab services, and sex motels have nothing to do with software and hardware security. I'm not saying the dude is right, but yeah.

 

[unz]

I'm pretty sure making physical card games, offering cab services, and sex motels have nothing to do with software and hardware security. I'm not saying the dude is right, but yeah.

I'm not talking about security. I'm talking about good, old fashioned bluffing.

And I'm pretty sure a company that started out making card games before yer granddad was born, would know more about bluffing than a startup flashcart maker does.

 

[Schaapje82]

This might be only a conspiracy theory, but what if the firmware update was exactly the intention of this card?

Just a flowchart of thoughts:
- Nintendo has seemingly patched any exploits in the pre-6.0 firmwares.
- Someone at the scene thought that a rushed firmware update could have a number of exploitable elements. (s)he thought that a threat of piracy could taunt Nintendo into rushing out a major update (with some tacked-on features not to be too obvious).
- They made a 1:1 clone card, Gateway3DS, which uses no exploits but made Nintendo believe it does by composing the description that way.
- Nintendo, as expected, rushed out with the 6.0 update which contained so many flaws they had to release a minor patch almost immediately.
- Now, the scene has the un-minor-patched 6.0 firmware which is rife with bugs and likely multiple exploitable flaws.
- They can now freely search for these exploits that can hack the system wide open.

But what is the use of that when there already is a 6.1 release that probably fixes the flaws? And if not, there will probably be a 6.2 soon. Users would have to stay on 6.0 to make use of a card based on these flaws, right? If you are still on 5.0 or lower, or are already on 6.1, then you can't use the card. Or do I understand your theory wrong?

 

[xyzmanas]

Any word on the release or is it still discreet???

 

[VMM]

This might be only a conspiracy theory, but what if the firmware update was exactly the intention of this card?

Just a flowchart of thoughts:
- Nintendo has seemingly patched any exploits in the pre-6.0 firmwares.
- Someone at the scene thought that a rushed firmware update could have a number of exploitable elements. (s)he thought that a threat of piracy could taunt Nintendo into rushing out a major update (with some tacked-on features not to be too obvious).
- They made a 1:1 clone card, Gateway3DS, which uses no exploits but made Nintendo believe it does by composing the description that way.
- Nintendo, as expected, rushed out with the 6.0 update which contained so many flaws they had to release a minor patch almost immediately.
- Now, the scene has the un-minor-patched 6.0 firmware which is rife with bugs and likely multiple exploitable flaws.
- They can now freely search for these exploits that can hack the system wide open.

I think you're rushing to conclusions.
The system was a bit unstable, but that doesn't mean any new exploits should be found.
It's probably the entire opposite, the system was unstable because Nintendo rushed with the update, which it's main goal was anti-piracy,
it blocked flashcards and gateway, the system is probably more secure then ever.