Nintendo is to blame for poor Wii U sales, says Iwata

[Tom Bombadildo]

So like...what's so unique about the Wii U again?

But for realz though, I won't be touching the Wii U until a price cut, bigger storage options, and more third party games roll in.

 

[pwsincd]

Iwata :
"We are to blame," he said. "We relaxed our [marketing] efforts, so the consumers today still cannot understand what's so good and unique about the Wii U. Because we're always trying to be unique, it takes some energies on our side to [make] people understand the real attractions about whatever we are doing."

They admit its their job to promote theWiiU yet admit they didn't. Ok this has potential. Personally I would have liked to have seen a new IP that really show cases the WiiU/gamepad's uniqueness than to have the nintendoland, which is essentially them trying to show us/devs bits of things whilst milking their IPs a little more.

kristianity77 :
It was a console that apart from a gimmicky touchscreen, offers nothing really that the Xbox or PS3 didn't offer, and at a much cheaper price point.

I never realised I could play mario / zelda / donkey kong / pikmin / etc etc etc etc on the xbox or PS

emigre
But third party titles generally don't sell on Nintendo consoles. Look at the Wii, the biggest third party gaem was fucking Just Dance.

Horses for courses; my daughter and her mates love those games... My son loves ninty games... my family is ninty's stereotypical demographic.

 

[the_randomizer]

So like...what's so unique about the Wii U again?

But for realz though, I won't be touching the Wii U until a price cut, bigger storage options, and more third party games roll in.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your argument, and here's why:
Games I can agree on, so there's common ground for that and needs room for improvement and more third party support, I can't deny that in the least. But HDDs? That's not a completely fair argument seeing as they're incredibly affordable and if people can save up for a console, they can sure as hell save up for an HDD; $30-$50 for one is not unreasonable at all.

History does repeat itself though, as I recall a similar situation happening back in 2006 when the Wii
was released: Wii gets released, people complain that it has no games, no HDD, no DVD playback and not in hi-def

In 2012, it happens once again:
Wii U gets released, people complain that is has no games, no HDD, no Blu ray playback and the hi-def isn't high enough

$35.00 HDD http://www.amazon.com/Protronix-250GB-Silver-External-Portable/dp/B004CLWB64/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371674519&sr=8-2&keywords=250 gb external hard drive

What's worse, having a fixed amount that is not expandable from some off-brand HDD or getting an HDD from 120 GB to 2 TB from any brand you want?

Some people are too self-entitled and shouldn't buy consoles. If people are going to get so up in arms about how the Wii U is the weakest console, has no HDD so much that they lose sleep and end up getting an cerebral aneurysm....*sigh* This is the internet, people will nit pick about everything that doesn't cater to their every need.

 

[air2004]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100810130

secret camera footage of iwata looking for wii u games

Ninten-doh

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

Are people really still getting their self-entitled selves hypertension and myocardial arrhythmia all because Nintendo wanted to reduce production costs by not putting preinstalled HDDs? Games I can agree on, so there's common ground for that, but are people really so poor that they can't honestly afford a 250 GB HDD for $40 on New Egg or Amazon? At least you didn't call the storage an HDD because it's flash or NAND.

Wii gets released, people complain that it has no games, no HDD, no DVD playback and not in hi-def
Wii U gets released, people complain that is has no games, no HDD, no Blu ray playback and the hi-def isn't high enough

$35.00 HDD http://www.amazon.com/Protronix-250GB-Silver-External-Portable/dp/B004CLWB64/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371674519&sr=8-2&keywords=250 gb external hard drive

You're welcome. If you honestly expected Nintendo to install HDDs that are proprietary, can't be removed or upgraded and at a fixed amount of space....never mind. What's worse, having a fixed amount that is not expandable from some off-brand HDD or getting an HDD from 120 GB to 2 TB from any brand you want?

Some people are too self-entitled and don't deserve to buy consoles. If the Wii U is going to upset people so much due to Nintendo wanting to save money by not making a price cut or by installing HDDs that they lose sleep and end up getting an cerebral aneurysm....*sigh* who am I kidding. This is the internet, people will nit pick about everything that doesn't cater to their every need.

I can't fucking even. If this is really how Nintentards try to justify the lack of a HDD in the Wii U, then I'm glad I won't be getting one.

 

[Clydefrosch]

yeah, Japanese people take more responsibility than people in the west. doesn't change that not understanding what's so unique about wii u really isn't the problem here.

 

[the_randomizer]

I can't fucking even. If this is really how Nintentards try to justify the lack of a HDD in the Wii U, then I'm glad I won't be getting one.

Was that supposed to be funny?

 

[JoostinOnline]

Was that supposed to be funny?

I don't get it either. Nintendo clearly stated their reason for not including a HDD was to cut down on production costs so they could keep the price low. Most people feel they made the right move, as production costs more than $350.

 

[Taleweaver]

Yeah they're good games but there needs to be new strong IPs, where (casual) gamers look at it and go that's nintendo. So new IP that will be as strong as mario, donkey kong, starfox, zelda, etc. All them IPs you listed are great but there will go unnoticed by the casual gamers where as if there made more new strong IPs, there will help the console to do very well or help there future at the very least as it may take time for them to seen as strong IPs.

Sorry, but the main (if not the only) reason gamers look at it and go "that's nintendo" is because they recognize the characters. Of course there is more to it (charm, fun, easy-to-learn-hard-to-master, ...), but none of these are unique to nintendo. In the end, it's the customers who decide with their wallets which game gets into a long franchise and which ones will be a single game.

 

[sentinel5000]

This thing was actually pretty simple for them. All they had to do was make a new Mario Galaxy with awesome things, New Mario kart, New Zelda with an epic new adventure and New Smash Bros in the first year, with Mario Galaxy being a launch title. With that Nintendo would had destroyed anything MS or Sony had in store, but like He said, they got lazy. I won't buy a WiiU unless a New Zelda is released, simple as that...

 

[the_randomizer]

This thing was actually pretty simple for them. All they had to do was make a new Mario Galaxy with awesome things, New Mario kart, New Zelda with an epic new adventure and New Smash Bros in the first year, with Mario Galaxy being a launch title. With that Nintendo would had destroyed anything MS or Sony had in store, but like He said, they got lazy. I won't buy a WiiU unless a New Zelda is released, simple as that...

Who's to say they'll never make another Mario Galaxy down the road?

 

[sentinel5000]

Yeah Doooooooooown the road, the time was at launch not down the road...

 

[Foxi4]

What are you going to store on those 120GB? Family photos? Because 120GB in this day and age just doesn't cut it anymore.

Contemporary games "weigh" anywhere between 25GB and 50GB, that's the today's standard. 500GB is the bare minimum for a contemporary HDD, a TB or two would be entirely welcome.

While the 360 was quite bitchy about hard drives and required Microsoft's branded enclosures (or modding), the PS3 accepted just about any drive - it was Plug and Play and it is expected to stay this way with the PS4. I can't see how being able to purchase a drive separately and connecting it via an enclosure (which is an additional expense) is a "solution" when the console which is supposed to be a "Next Generation" one, the first of Nintendo's consoles to be capable of running retail games from internal/external storage doesn't have an HDD to store them on. This is at best a useful feature - external storage was always used as a last resort on consoles, not as the standard method of storage.

The 8/32GB is a joke - NAND Flash memory is piss poor cheap and the bare prices of the chips in no way justify the massive price gap between the standard and the Premium model. It would be a far more balanced system if it had the NAND Flash (used for the OS only plus some small partition for the user's smaller files/apps) and an HDD. Right now, Nintendo is expecting the End-User to dish out an extra $100-$150 to do things on it other consoles do out of the box. Very basic things I might add. Even the original XBox had an HDD and the PS2 got one via an extension bay, and that was two generations ago.

 

[the_randomizer]

What are you going to store on those 120GB? Family photos? Because 120GB in this day and age just doesn't cut it anymore.

Contemporary games "weigh" anywhere between 25GB and 50GB, that's the today's standard. 500GB is the bare minimum, a TB or two is entirely welcome.

While the 360 was quite bitchy about hard drives and required Microsoft's branded enclosures (or modding), the PS3 accepted just about any drive - it was Plug and Play and it is expected to stay this way with the PS4. I can't see how being able to purchase a drive separately and connecting it via an enclosure is a "solution" when the console which is supposed to be a "Next Generation" one, the first of Nintendo's consoles to be capable of running retail games from internal/external storage doesn't have an HDD to store them on.

The 8/32GB is a joke - NAND Flash memory is piss poor cheap and the bare prices of the chips in no way justify the massive price gap between the standard and the Premium model. It would be a far more balanced system if it had the NAND Flash (used for the OS only plus some small partition for the user's smaller files/apps) and an HDD. Right now, Nintendo is expecting the End-User to dish out an extra $100-$150 to do things on it other consoles do out of the box. Very basic things I might add. Even the original XBox had an HDD and the PS2 got one via an extension bay, and that was two generations ago.

It was just an example. Honestly, I don't know why Nintendo didn't implement more NAND since like you said, it's dirt cheap nowadays, but for people to lose sleep over it? I don't seem to recall people doing that for the 4 GB Xbox models, do you? I don't even use my 500 GB HDD for it, and yet, I'm not complaining. If it bothers people so much, they should either save up for one, or not get pissed about it. What good will getting angry about it do, make Nintendo add more NAND?

I sincerely hope people don't assume one can download a full retail game on 32 GB of NAND. I'm sick of these threads that people make, and moreover, they lead to nothing productive, they solve nothing as far as I'm concerned.

People are never satisfied and it's a vain effort to even try. Period.

 

[emigre]

So like...what's so unique about the Wii U again?

But for realz though, I won't be touching the Wii U until a price cut, bigger storage options, and more third party games roll in.

I guess you'll never be touching a WiiU.

 

[the_randomizer]

I guess you'll never be touching a WiiU.

Maybe when he's married--oh wait, wrong Wii.

 

[Foxi4]

It was just an example. Honestly, I don't know why Nintendo didn't implement more NAND since like you said, it's dirty cheap nowadays, but for people to lose sleep over it? I don't seem to recall people doing that for the 4 GB Xbox models, do you? I don't even use my 500 GB HDD for it, and yet, I'm not complaining. If it bothers people so much, they should either save up for one, or not get pissed about it. What good will getting angry about it do, make Nintendo add more NAND?

You do realize that some game updates or DLC may be as big as several GB and this internal storage will shrink very quickly even if you don't install any games on it, right?

As for the 4GB XBox, it's a budget model - the End-User knows this and is expected to expand. It's also sh*t, we're not disputing that. But guess what? At least it has an internal HDD and, as far as I know, an external slot for another one and the capacity to install some content on USB sticks - the WiiU only has the latter feature... and again, that's a last generation system, so Nintendo has a lot of catching up to do when it comes to digital distribution and storage.

 

[emigre]

I don't seem to recall people doing that for the 4 GB Xbox models, do you?

People bitch about the 4GB 360 model. People bitch about the 12GB PS3 model. The 12GB PS3 model is fucking pathetic.

 

[the_randomizer]

You do realize that some game updates or DLC may be as big as several GB and this internal storage will shrink very quickly even if you don't install any games on it, right?

As for the 4GB XBox, it's a budget model - the End-User knows this and is expected to expand. It's also sh*t, we're not disputing that. But guess what? At least it has an internal HDD and, as far as I know, an external slot for another one and the capacity to install some content on USB sticks - the WiiU only has the latter feature... and again, that's a last generation system, so Nintendo has a lot of catching up to do when it comes to digital distribution and storage.

The Wii U updates don't accumulate, they overwrite system files, and I already have an HDD, so there. DLC on the other hand will, but I'm not getting DLC either. Again, people as a whole are implacable. And there are ways of getting the Wii U to install games on SDXC cards and USB flash drives through some trickery.

If it bothers you so much, don't get it. Or grab some balls and save up for HDD.

 

[Foxi4]

The Wii U updates don't accumulate, they overwrite system files, and I already have an HDD, so there. DLC on the other hand will, but I'm not getting DLC either. Again, people as a whole are implacable. And there are ways of getting the Wii U to install games on SDXC cards and USB flash drives through some trickery.

Good luck overwriting a BluRay Nintendo Proprietary Format* discs.

(Yeah, right... )