Windows 8.1 Announced.

[Kouen Hasuki]

Currently at the place I'm having the internship all the Pc's have windows 8 and programs like inventor seem to work better on it.
Windows xp is way outdated, why do people still use it anyway (well, some programs need windows xp just like some need windows 3.1)

Not everything supports Vista and above, old games, apps and devices may not have 64 bit drivers or hell even 32 bit ones, some drivers you can get away with compatibility mode but sometimes that leads to BSOD's

And what about older games some do not work well / at all on Vista / 7 / 8

I have a laptop as a dedicated XP machine, its specs are not great but the machine cost me almost nothing (1 CPU and 1 Cover) and is more than enough for Non Vista+ stuff (Dell Latitude 120L: Pentium M 740 1.7GHz, 2GB DDR2 Ram, 80GB 4200RPM HDD, Intel GMA900)

 

[Pleng]

Do you mean via computer to computer or from something like a phone or tablet?

Via computer to computer. In LogMeIn/TeamViewer pressing start on the keyboard opens the start menu on the *host* machine. So opening the start menu on the guest machine, if it's Win8, is a bit of a pain.

 

[FAST6191]

Everybody loves a threesome.

Maybe when I was younger but today I am not sure I have time and energy required to master three complex, ever changing sets of needs, shortcomings and things that need massaging to be at their best.

 

[chartube12]

Switching desktop manager in Ubuntu is a whole lot easier than in Windows though.

Are you high?! It is one freakin icon to switch over to the desktop!

 

[Minox]

Are you high?! It is one freakin icon to switch over to the desktop!

I'm not talking about the process of clicking a button to get to a different part of the UI. I'm referring to the fact that you can easily replace the Unity desktop environment in Ubuntu with whatever flavor of desktop environment you'd want to use. Cinnamon, KDE, Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, MATE.. There's more than just a few alternative desktop environments available for linux.

 

[Shuny]

Sticking with Ubuntu until Windows 9.

Wow. I'd rather install Windows Me than Ubuntu.

Anyway this new version seems great. Windows 8 is awesome performance-wise but I have to agree with all the comments about the Metro interface. Windows 8.1 will probably be a great OS.

 

[RedCoreZero]

Oh,you mean buy another Windows 7 for Direct x 11+

Tell me how great the os is.

 

[The Milkman]

Oh,you mean buy another Windows 7 for Direct x 11+

Tell me how great the os is.

Nobody ever said you should switch.

And do you think any new Direct Xs are going to be on Win 7, not only that but next-gen is coming, PC games might start actually using DX 11 seeing the new system specs.

You obviously didn't read the "dump to Metro instead of actual Start Menu" part. It's not back to 7, just old crappy 8.

I got a better idea, how about you read the post I quoted rather then point out that I "obviously" didn't read.

 

[The Catboy]

Sticking with Ubuntu until Windows 9.

I would like to suggest getting something better. Ubuntu's recent update to Unity is rather creepy actually. I actually moved to Gentoo in recent year because Fedora and Ubuntu have both gone downhill drastically.

On topic...sorry not a Windows fan or user, so this really doesn't effect me that much.

 

[WiiUBricker]

I was actually considering using 8 after 8.1 came out, until I found out that they still refuse to put the start menu back. The stupid button wasn't what people complained about. It was the menu it opened that people want back.

Apparently they somehow completely missed that. Most people understand that when a product fails, you fix the biggest complaints. MS's product failed, so they decide "We'll fix everything except the biggest complaints". WTF?

8 was bad enough that OEMs are selling pre-downgraded PCs and including their own start menus, enterprises simply rejected the product entirely, and the downgrade business for repair shops is booming.

Let's just say I won't be surprised when 8.1 fails as hard as 8 did.
"If it ain't broke don't fix it"...MS says: "It's broke, let's not fix it anyway."

Guess I'll be moving to 7 instead in a few weeks. Gotta get off XP...

You can fix all Win 8 Problems yourself. Install this and your Win 8 will be a better Win 7.

 

[The Milkman]

You can fix all Win 8 Problems yourself. Install this and your Win 8 will be a better Win 7.

People are too lazy to download anything that will actually help them, they would rather jump on the hate-train and rail-road right off a cliff.

 

[Rydian]

People are too lazy to download anything that will actually help them, they would rather jump on the hate-train and rail-road right off a cliff.

I'm in the group that says if you need to do modifications to a product to make it usable, there's a problem with the product.

 

[The Milkman]

I'm in the group that says if you need to do modifications to a product to make it usable, there's a problem with the product.

Do you use IE to browse the internet? If IE doesnt meet your standards does that mean your entire machine is unusable? No, you download another web browser that does meet your needs.

If you dont like how Metro works, that doesnt make it unusable, that means it doesnt meet your needs or standards. That doesnt mean everyone finds it unusable, or that its unusable at all.

All hes saying is if whats there doesnt work for you, you can go and get something that does. In fact, isnt that the whole reason programming exists in general?

 

[Rydian]

Do you use IE to browse the internet? If IE doesnt meet your standards does that mean your entire machine is unusable? No, you download another web browser that does meet your needs.

If you dont like how Metro works, that doesnt make it unusable, that means it doesnt meet your needs or standards. That doesnt mean everyone finds it unusable, or that its unusable at all.

All hes saying is if whats there doesnt work for you, you can go and get something that does. In fact, isnt that the whole reason programming exists in general?

This is one of the reasons people go with Linux, in fact different distros thrive off of the variety in what people need.

My point being that if you use version X of a product, then X+1 comes out and doesn't meet your needs, then it doesn't meet your needs and you have the right to considered it an inferior product when you're making your next purchasing decision.

 

[The Milkman]

This is one of the reasons people go with Linux, in fact different distros thrive off of the variety in what people need.

My point being that if you use version X of a product, then X+1 comes out and doesn't meet your needs, then it doesn't meet your needs and you have the right to considered it an inferior product when you're making your next purchasing decision.

I agree with the Linux part, I hate Ubuntu, but I found Debian quite neat and I like using so I have it dual booted.

Concerning your other point, nobody is saying buy something you don't want. Hell, I wouldn't have bought Win 8 if it didn't come with my PC (that's really more of me being cheap though ) but I also sure as hell didn't want to use XP or pirated version of 7 (Stupid genuine advantage :/)

my whole point is though, after using it for extended periods of time (and coming from years of using XP and 7 also) it's honestly not as broken as people make it seem, and what is considered broken is easily fixed.

Hence,

People are too lazy to download anything that will actually help them, they would rather jump on the hate-train and rail-road right off a cliff.

If anything, people should be complaining about actual problems with the OS, like how you cant shut-down while using Fast-boot (or UEFEI mode)

 

[Rydian]

That's not good for business, though (as the majority of your customers have no clue how to do any of that), which is why Microsoft is trying to fix it themselves by incorporating some popular changes.

 

[The Milkman]

That's not good for business, though (as the majority of your customers have no clue how to do any of that), which is why Microsoft is trying to fix it themselves by incorporating some popular changes.

Great point actually, but when I say people, I mean techies like us. If you know the difference between a browser and search engine, chances are you not looking for a Start menu replacement is just being stubborn.

People like them probably use things like tablets or smartphones more often then a computer anyway.

 

[techboy]

You can fix all Win 8 Problems yourself. Install this and your Win 8 will be a better Win 7.

I've used it, as well as many other shell modifications and start menu replacements. I can add a pile of third party stuff to make 8 look like 7...or just use 7.

The point is that the product is broken by design. If properly made, it would include the features that these fixes provide as native functionality. This is what MS is trying to accomplish by implementing changes in 8.1. The only problem is they're refusing to make the one change that everyone wants...

 

[The Milkman]

I've used it, as well as many other shell modifications and start menu replacements. I can add a pile of third party stuff to make 8 look like 7...or just use 7.

The point is that the product is broken by design. If properly made, it would include the features that these fixes provide as native functionality. This is what MS is trying to accomplish by implementing changes in 8.1. The only problem is they're refusing to make the one change that everyone wants...

Add the start menu that's already there?

 

[WiiUBricker]

I've used it, as well as many other shell modifications and start menu replacements. I can add a pile of third party stuff to make 8 look like 7...or just use 7.

Of course you can use just Win 7, but you will miss out on Win 8's enhancements if you do this. Or you can use Win 8 with classic shell and ??? profit!