Yeah, but fandub's patch does not contain copyrighted material, but their own voice, so No, it's not the same thing.Also, not all Redubs are licensed material. Fandubs are technically redubs too.
Lastly, we're not technically the "Rom Hacking" community. Since we don't mess with ROMs. We mess with Game Images, so we should be the PSP Translation Community.
That's a thing i'm interessed too, and, for now, i didn't find out anything.Hi, I trying to translate to spanish, but I need some special characters. So anyone can tell me what is the file (IDXXXXX) that have the image of characters for add them?
Thanks and sorry for my english.
So in the last couple of days, there have been a couple of developments, Dub patch possibilities, Menu/Battle/Attack Name patch Developments, Graphical/Font Developments, etc. I was wondering if anybody is tinkering around with the story dialogues. Simple Hex editing wouldn't work there, and even if you could fit shortened words in there, there's also the issue of the english text being too wide to fit in the text box.
a few things and questions:
1)The program Xdelta creates patches by comparing the differences between the original ISO and the modded one. Let's say someone redubs the game in another language and then makes a patch. ... that would be an "ilegal patch" ? or all the patches are in that "gray area" ?.
2) Then fandubs would also be ilegal. Why? You own your voice, but not the lyrics or melody (in case the fandub is for the songs with voices, not the dialogues). If I decide to upload to youtube a version of me singing "brave heart", I would need the karaoke version as a base and I would have modified it with my voice; or if I decide to improvise while I'm singing: I would be breaking the law by modifiyng copyrighted material and would be in jail. Therefore, fandubs are all ilegal and any person who shows tribute to their copyrighted material (tv series / movie etc) would be in jail. I'm kinda exagerating with all this, but in theory it's true.
3) Ok, let's say that a redub, translation patch and pretty much anything that means "another language in the game" are on the same level of ilegal and Bandai discovers this page, the patches, everything. At the same time, more people discovers that the game can be patched into english and downloads it but at the same time, they import the game (although they'll play the modified game in english). Why would they buy the game if they already have it? Because that's a thing a lot of people do, they show support to the company. If those gamers wouldn't be able to play the game in a understandable language for them, they would have probably not bought the game.
So: now Bandai has 2 options:
a) leave things as they are, making thousands and thousands of dollars for something they didn't even work for (the translation) and probably be grateful to the ones who did it because they would have wanted to do it but the economy didn't let it happen (let's be real: as they said, the PSP is dead in pretty much everywhere except Japan, and they would have spent money that wouldn't recover if they translated the game for a US release)
b) Be a bitch and lawsuit the person who made a patch, and probably just earn a very very few thousand dollars at maximum, and ruins someone's life.
Now, imagine yourself as a company, and take into account that all you care is the money. What would you choose, a) or b) ?
4) Romsstar, sorry to disapoint you but you are on the internet and these things spread. What do you think, that EVERYONE is gonna download the patch and apply it to the iso? Sooner or later someone will download your patch, and upload the modified ISO to every possible site that allows warez. Before you notice, you'll google "download digimon adventure iso in english" and you'll have thousands and thousands of results and you'll never know who was the first one who did that. Also you said that you're responsible for the patch, so Bandai would be lawsuiting you at the same time you'll spend the rest of your life making lawsuits to people on the internet. Nice way of living, huh?
Interesting. Well, you probably knew the username or some other info of that guy so you could do all that. I kinda doubt that if a person would have done that in a anonymus way you would have been able to do the same. I have a question: that guy was the first one who uploaded the modified ISO of Digimon World 1 ? or he was just a random guy you found who uploaded it (and maybe someone else did the same before or after him) ?Moreover: If you don't think I'm serious, in the past I did sent a restraint order to one guy who thought he could upload a patched ISO of my Digimon World 1 Patch. Guess what, I never heard a word from Bandai, but that guy did...
You're right, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just following your reasoning from previous posts (like saying that you're responsible for the patch).
So if someone from Sweden would want to make a redub and upload it (as a patch) then it would be "ok" for him to upload it, but not for the person who is downloading it (if he's from another country) ?. And what if you use a proxy so that the registered IP would be like from another country? is that ilegal?
Interesting. Well, you probably knew the username or some other info of that guy so you could do all that. I kinda doubt that if a person would have done that in a anonymus way you would have been able to do the same. I have a question: that guy was the first one who uploaded the modified ISO of Digimon World 1 ? or he was just a random guy you found who uploaded it (and maybe someone else did the same before or after him) ?
Redub = illegal, I've already explained too much why (copyrighted material INSIDE your patch, that's all)1)The program Xdelta creates patches by comparing the differences between the original ISO and the modded one. Let's say someone redubs the game in another language and then makes a patch. ... that would be an "ilegal patch" ? or all the patches are in that "gray area" ?.
if you distribute fandubs, it is illegal, because you own your voice, true, but you don't own the rest, and so, it's illegal. Nobody told you that singing a song and post it on youtube is illegal...Then fandubs would also be ilegal. Why? You own your voice, but not the lyrics or melody (in case the fandub is for the songs with voices, not the dialogues). If I decide to upload to youtube a version of me singing "brave heart", I would need the karaoke version as a base and I would have modified it with my voice; or if I decide to improvise while I'm singing: I would be breaking the law by modifiyng copyrighted material and would be in jail. Therefore, fandubs are all ilegal and any person who shows tribute to their copyrighted material (tv series / movie etc) would be in jail. I'm kinda exagerating with all this, but in theory it's true.
Show me how you support Namco Bandai then, show me how you bought Digimon Adventure. And we're not here to think for other people, a women in the US sued a microwave company because she put her cat in it, because it wasn't in the notice "not to put live animals in it" and SHE WON, so yeah, stupid law system but it's as it is.Why would they buy the game if they already have it? Because that's a thing a lot of people do, they show support to the company. If those gamers wouldn't be able to play the game in a understandable language for them, they would have probably not bought the game.
Now, imagine yourself as a company, and take into account that all you care is the money. What would you choose, a) or b) ? I know that the company can choose whatever it wants, but as I said, if they aim for the money they won't care about patches (in fact, they would be glad, and more taking into account that Digimon was once as known as Pokemon and if it wasn't for what I already said, the game would have a US release)
Not really, responsible for the patch yeah, not the distribution of the iso.Romsstar, sorry to disapoint you but you are on the internet and these things spread. What do you think, that EVERYONE is gonna download the patch and apply it to the iso? Sooner or later someone will download your patch, and upload the modified ISO to every possible site that allows warez. Before you notice, you'll google "download digimon adventure iso in english" and you'll have thousands and thousands of results and you'll never know who was the first one who did that. Also you said that you're responsible for the patch, so Bandai would be lawsuiting you at the same time you'll spend the rest of your life making lawsuits to people on the internet. Nice way of living, huh?
If I copy and paste the instructions on how to redub cutscenes into the 1st page, or put them in other webpage, that wouldn't be ilegal, would it?. I mean, one of the tools used (in the video part) is ilegal but that responsability would be for the guy who uploaded the video and also provided the link, not me. They're just instructions, and if I add "redub under your resposability (and if you're gonna upload anything redubed material that you created, which you shouldn't, I'd recommend to use a proxy); the final product should not be distributed due to copyright infringement ", then I wouldn't be responsible if someone else creates and uploads a redubbed ISO (or patch, at this point it's the same) with redubs in it, right?.
I coded our tools on my own, it's the best way.what do you guys use to edit text in ID03841?
ok just checking. I heard a lot about hex editing and re pointing, so i was just wondering. I made my own tool i was going yo upload if it you were hex editing. guess you guys are good.I coded our tools on my own, it's the best way.
Pretty much. Although you could be accountable for "Aiding in copyright infringement",
but this is not very likely. From the legal point of view, possible, but I haven't heard of such cases yet (which means nothing, you never know).
Mostly the distributor is the one who gets screwed.
Even the downloaders are being rarely prosecuted.
Oh well, yea I guess that one can get sued by practically anything, like if I say "the xbox 360 sucks" or "the playstation 3 sucks" Microsoft or Sony can read those and take them like an offense to their companies and sue xD. Imagine if that really happened; most of people would be screwed xD. I guess I won't have any problem by having put the instructions on the 1st page .
Can we stop the whole 'Armchair Lawyer' thing and keep the discussion ON TOPIC? It would be a shame to close such a long-running thread because of some sanctimonious Perry Mason wannabes constantly derailing it.