Why live when you can die?

[WiiUBricker]

Why die when you can live?

 

[omgpwn666]

I have been searching for answers all my life, and nothing makes sense besides to experience the death myself.

I want you to relax and enjoy your life. You will never truly know what happens till you die. So just enjoy this time now.

 

[DeadlyFoez]

Holy christ, I was fucking krunk last night. LOL. I don't even remember making this thread. Well, at least it got people discussing and thinking.

 

[jurassicplayer]

New anime, nuff said.

 

[Haloman800]

There is a difference between a near-death experience and actually dying. Our definition of "dead" is constantly changing. Even when one's heart stops, his or her brain is still functioning for a few minutes after that until the brain dies from oxygen deprivation, and that's what is demonstrably responsible for these near-death experience claims (in fact, people are being brought back to life as long as 40 minutes after "death" through a process of keeping the body cold and gradually reintroducing heat and oxygen to get the cells out of their "self-destruct" mode). For example, the common "light at the end of the tunnel" claim has been demonstrated to be the result of oxygen deprivation. Pilots and astronauts experience the exact same thing when they practice in the centrifuge and oxygen isn't reaching the brain. Out-of-body experiences have to do with the part of the brain "malfunctioning" that is responsible for keeping you aware of where you are spatially. In fact, in laboratory tests, people who claim to have had out-of-body experiences can never demonstrate that they were actually out of their bodies. For example, they couldn't identify what was on the tables and whatnot around their body when, had they actually been floating out of their bodies, they would have been able to do so.

In summary, there's no reason to think there's an afterlife, and there's no way to distinguish supposed near-death experiences from naturalistic processes and dreams. There's also no reason to think consciousness is anything more than the product of the brain, which dies.


You said it wasn't about religion, and then you explained how you think it's about religion.

Have you read the book? He was legally declared dead, and was brought back to life, and the book is his experience.

To make a blanket sweeping statement like that is foolish. The knowledge any of us could accumulate in our lifetime is comparable to a football in a large arena, with the arena being all possible knowledge, and the football being what we know, yet atheists like yourself presumably think they can declare God doesn't exist based on that one tiny speck in the huge pool of knowledge.

Jesus was a person, not a religion.

 

[dgwillia]

Sometimes I really wonder if theres life after death, or reincarnation or something. But at the same time, I really just dont want to die, atleast for a long time. I couldnt imagine how much it would suck if that was just "it" for you, eternal nothingness. I can't even imagine what that must feel like, it makes my heart race

 

[Lacius]

Have you read the book? He was legally declared dead, and was brought back to life, and the book is his experience.

I haven't read the book, but I'm well aware of the book, and if the author isn't going to offer any reason to accept the claim that what he saw was anything representative of a real afterlife, then I'm not going to take his word for it, and neither should anyone else. There's no more reason to believe what he experienced was indicative of a real afterlife than to think invisible pixies flew in through the window and just messed with his thoughts and dreams. Even if we had no naturalistic explanation for what he claims to have experienced, which we do, that doesn't mean that's demonstrative of a god or afterlife. I'm also not entirely sure I accept the claim of his experience, regardless of what that experience might have actually been caused by, but that's irrelevant.

To make a blanket sweeping statement like that is foolish. The knowledge any of us could accumulate in our lifetime is comparable to a football in a large arena, with the arena being all possible knowledge, and the football being what we know, yet atheists like yourself presumably think they can declare God doesn't exist based on that one tiny speck in the huge pool of knowledge.

I don't claim that God definitely doesn't exist. My only claim is that there's no reason to think a god or an afterlife exist, and that's why I don't believe in God or an afterlife. God and/or an afterlife might very well exist, but I'm still unaware of any reason to think so. And to get back on topic, because there's no reason to think there's an afterlife, no one in his or her right mind should be in any hurry to die.

Jesus was a person, not a religion.

Belief in Jesus as depicted in Christianity is, by definition, a religious belief.

 

[DeadlyFoez]

Belief in Jesus as depicted in Christianity is, by definition, a religious belief.

Not really. I believe Jesus was a real person, but I don't believe that he is the messiah. I don't believe in any religion.

... because there's no reason to think there's an afterlife, no one in his or her right mind should be in any hurry to die.

There's plenty of reasons for many people to want to die. For many people it can just be to end pain and suffering of a disease.

 

[Lacius]

Not really. I believe Jesus was a real person, but I don't believe that he is the messiah. I don't believe in any religion.

As I said, "Belief in Jesus as depicted in Christianity is, by definition, a religious belief." The belief in the Jesus depicted as a part of Christianity is, for example, the son of God and performed miracles. If that's the Jesus you believe in, that is a religious belief. If instead you merely believe in a historical Jesus, who may or may not have existed, then that's another story and not at all what I (or what Haloman800) was referring to.

There's plenty of reasons for many people to want to die. For many people it can just be to end pain and suffering of a disease.

I already alluded to excruciating physical pain as a potential viable reason for wanting to die:

Bar excruciating physical pain, I can think of no scenario where death is preferable to life.

 

[ouch123]

Holy christ, I was fucking krunk last night. LOL. I don't even remember making this thread. Well, at least it got people discussing and thinking.

Dude, you gotta stop taking that shit. Think about it. If we weren't here for you to post this, you might've actually done what you were alluding to in your post!

GBATemp: How to save a life.

 

[Shinigami357]

Death is misunderstood, yes... But it's not quite as poetic as you think.

In any case, death is biological. The so-called 'afterlife' is just a belief [some say delusion] fed to masses of people who are subconsciously trying to kill themselves while being pants-shittingly scared of death.

That's all there is to it that needs concern us and our minute, finite minds.

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

I want to live long enough to see the machines take over Terminator style... After that happens I don't want to live on this planet anymore!

 

[stomp_442]

A few months ago I came off of a 6 month drunk, and I'm ready to start it again, it's a yearly ritual. I entered a downward spiral 11 years ago, and still looking for the bottom. I know the answers I seek aren't there, but it's fun looking for the answers at the bottom of a bottle. I guess I'll live out my life looking for the answers, only because I can't find them if I'm dead.


After you die, you fail to exist, so don't be in a hurry.

 

[Valwin]

We all have different beliefs with religion and also our own experience.

I personally can't wait to die and see/prove what there might be after this life... even if it kills me.

If you believe in God then you believe that you are safe, otherwise you are stuck being lost... by the Christian belief.

no need to die yet il tell you

nothing happens the end

 

[DeadlyFoez]

Dude, you gotta stop taking that shit. Think about it. If we weren't here for you to post this, you might've actually done what you were alluding to in your post!

It doesn't matter that anyone was here. I made my first post... which I completely forgot about, and also made a second post, and then past out in bed. It's not like I own any guns or anything like that. Even if I did own a gun, I was surely too drunk to have even loaded it.

 

[kristianity77]

I dont and will never understand why people think there is life after death and all that rubbish. All we are are mammals that just happened to get smart. And by getting smart we decided that its impossible to believe that we aren't here for a greater reason. Does anything else on this planet bow down to some god and all that? People in maybe a 100 or 200 years time will look back in history books and be like "did alot of them really believe all that shit?" and laugh because science will have proved that god, heaven, hell etc is just a total crock. They more or less have now explained where we come from, continuous evolution etc but it doesnt get shoved under the worlds noses for fear of causing upset amongst religious groups.

Live for today, because there isnt anything after. Its a one chance opportunity for us, and for every other species on the planet. You dont see a dog go and kill another dog because hes been promised dozens of virgin bitches in doggy heaven do you? lol. I just cant get my head around how intelligent this planet has become yet billions still hang off this religious rubbish and afterlife etc. Rant over

 

[DeadlyFoez]

Religion will always exist. No matter how much science can prove or disprove things, plenty of religious nuts will believe that it is just the devil leading them away from the path of god. There are still plenty of churches that teach that evolution is a myth and is wrong. Hell, there are even still groups of people that believe that the world is flat (no fucking lie). And if people can believe in scientology then there will always be idiots that will believe anythign other than the truth.

But this does not say that there is in fact no heaven, hell, or god. There is no scientific way to test and prove it. I personally don't think any of that exists. Leave it up to the christian religion to come up with things that can not be proven, and since it can't be disproven then it must exist in their eyes.

I personally hate the closed minds of many snotty religious people. I have always had an open mind and even once believed in the christian religion because thats how I was brought up. But instead of being a mindless sheep, I decided to start asking questions and thinking deeper and trying to make sense of the things that just don't make sense in the religion.

 

[kristianity77]

Im not heavily clued up on religion and will never be. But from what i can tell, God implies all things created in the universe, or something like that. I read in the news the other week that scientists say they estimate there to be 1 hundred billion planets, in our galaxy alone. And there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe. Why would one "god" create all that, for a tiny little planet in the middle of nowhere. Even writing it seems totally absurd.

 

[DeadlyFoez]

Of course. You are right. To think that there are no other life forms out there and that all of existence was created by a god is stupid. It was easier for people to think that 200+ years ago when there was no proof of even other solar systems, and that belief has stuck with many people.

Although I don't believe in a god, I have found a way for science (which is mostly fact) and the christian religion to coexist with each other as both being true. For me to explain it is EXTREMELY long winded, and I'm not going to take the 3-4 hours to type it all up unless enough people really want me too.

I almost should and just put it up on my website. I've actually considered writing a short book on my thoughts for quite some time

 

[kristianity77]

I think that if people want to believe in some kind of religion or greater being, in order to help them (even if it is superficial) through the trials and tribulations of life, then so be it.

I said way earlier in the post that what I think happens when you die is it is exactly the same as when your not born. No concept of anything, time, thoughts, nothing.

I dont recall having to wait for billions of years for my chance to come in this world, it just...did. So therefore the prospect of being gone for eternity doesnt concern me either as it will just be same as before. Thats why I try where i can to live each day like it could be the last (as one day, ill be right) and i kind of pity people who live there life by strict religious law