Gaming Strategy RPGS - Any for the first timer?

And Foxi no need to be afraid...you can be pleased i'm right...i don't bite! :p
Lawl, very true.

Seriously though, out of all the platforms I can think of that were available in the west, the PSP easily got the most of SRPG's - I don't know why. I'm pretty sure it has more than the DS... Not sure about home consoles, but out of all the portables, that's the way to go if you're looking for SRPG.
 
Given Blazing Souls Accelate is mediocre to awful (and dull to boot) and Jeanne D'Arc is a great original SRPG packed with charm, i just think that we're never going to agree on a standard of what's good or bad.

Also how can you hold the view that "the psp is pretty limited on good srpg's IMO." as well as "I'll agree that the psp got a lot of good srpgs, maybe more so than any other console, but the lot of them are japan only and you gotta remember that. ". They're mutually exclusive opinions.

And Foxi no need to be afraid...you can be pleased i'm right...i don't bite! :p

huh...
 

Name the multitude of good Japanese only SRPG's you're referring to that eclipse the English ones i've listed and justify your polar statements...backpedalling won't save you! Only two included in those i quoted are in Japanese(of which one has an English PS2 version), and SRPG's are a genre where games are often playable without full translations.
 
FFT:WotL IS a PSX SRPG! And it's certainly not entry level because it can be much more of a challenge than others in the genre, has a relatively complex range of jobs and relies a bit upon being familiar with strategy employed in these games. In comparison Disgaea is a doddle and Jean D'Arc really is entry level. Phantom Brave is an anomaly because of the troop "summoning" mechanic.

Jeanne D'Arc is if anything a better experience than FFT for many...and i don't understand your complaints about graphics when it's certainly more attractive than WotL, and story when the plot is much less convoluted. Sure it has less intrigue but it's easier to empathise with the characters.

As for five decent SRPG's -

Disgaea Afternoon of Darkness
Disgaea 2 Dark Hero Days
Phantom Brave The Hermuda Triangle
La Pucelle Ragnarok
Wild Arms XF
Jeanne D'Arc
FF WotL
Valkyria Chronicles II
R Type Tactics
Tactics Ogre
Queens Blade Spiral Chaos
Ragnarok Tactics

They're things off the top of my head that are interesting. That excludes about a billion others like

Gungnir
Blazing Souls Accelate
Spectral Souls Resurrection of the Ethereal Empire
Mytran Wars
Generation of Chaos
Aedis Eclipse
Field Commander
Warhammer 40000 Squad Command

Etc, etc, etc....as in there's still more on the PSP. When you take into account the PSP as a whole, then the PSP is NOT short of SRPG's in any way shape or form. Then you have the PSX variants on top of that....why wouldn't you class WotL as a PSX game when essentially that's all it is?

Thanks a lot for that list. I get most of my info from IGN and they haven't reviewed most of those games. How many of them have you played and can you rank them in order of preference? Being a huge strategy fan myself, especially fire emblem, i'd really appreciate it.
 
Thanks a lot for that list. I get most of my info from IGN and they haven't reviewed most of those games. How many of them have you played and can you rank them in order of preference? Being a huge strategy fan myself, especially fire emblem, i'd really appreciate it.

Assuming you've not played anything in the way of SRPG's on the PSP i'll break it down more generally, and pare the list down for you -

START WITH THE BEST ONES! These are in my opinion the games that "do it right" and boast gameplay that's solid and a package that's interesting, be it characterisation, story or unique mechanic.

Jeanne D'Arc
FF WotL
Valkyria Chronicles II
Tactics Ogre Let Us Cling Together

These four are all great and will give you a good handle on PSP SRPG's.

Next there are the NIS SRPG's which i group on separate scale as they're very much an acquired taste thanks to the Nippon Ichi "humour". Personally i enjoyed them in this order -

Phantom Brave The Hermuda Triangle (this is again touch and go for many as it features a non standard unit system. I liked it and it felt fresh, many don't. I'd move this up to sit with the top four.)
La Pucelle Ragnarok (JPN only and non translation - i own the PS2 version, heck, i've even got my save up for download on Gamefaqs, so no English was ok for me...maybe not a great choice for someone with no experience)
Disgaea 1 and 2 (more refined SRPG mechanics than the former choices....also more of a focus on ridiculous power levelling though it's not required really for the main game, just post game)

Coincidentally my opinion of the NIS games translates into order of increasing stupidity of the humour/plot. PB is the darkest and most serious in relative terms, Disgaea is pretty stupid.....call me a misery but i like a bit of grit.

Then the oddballs that are worth a shot, be it because they try something different or are less amazing rehashes of other games i've already mentioned -

Wild Arms XF - if you like FFT then you should like this...difficulty can be a bit arbitrary
Knights in the Nightmare - i'm wary of even classing this as an SRPG but it "kind of" is one. It's a love or loathe game and complicated as can be....if you don't like steep learning curves stay away, but it's certainly unique.
R Type Tactics - It's not as amazing an experience as the first four i've mentioned, but again it offers a different experience that is seldom seen. Worth a try on that basis alone.
Field Commander - nothing like the previous games. Like Advance Wars? This is a PSP rejig of that sort of system....
Gungnir - i've no experience of this but i'm led to believe that whilst a bit clunky and sometimes hard it does enough right to warrant a try.
Warhammer 40000 Squad Command - Old and a bit dated in terms of finesse, but if you're a fan of the universe then it's a fun little play and you'll ignore some of the irks.


And the ones i wouldn't save from a burning building? Many of these are really slow paced (SRPG's need to be relatively zippy to navigate and play else you'll lose interest) or are just not very interesting....

Spectral Souls - Resurrection of the Ethereal Empire - SO SLOW. It's just so poorly made that you'll want to kill yourself rather than endure another hour of very little happening. Really awkward and clunky.
Blazing Souls - See above; slow, boring combat, dull story, stupid map mechanic.
Generation of Chaos - slow and fiddly. It's just a bit dated and surpassed by it's sequel...
Aedis Eclipse ....it's sequel which is still a bit dated and whilst does something different you may get bored. Potentially worth a punt but don't get your hopes up.
Mytran Wars - It's unfair to say this is awful (i had save issues with it which made me abandon it early). BUT it's just plain AVERAGE.....not really interesting for any reason at all....
Dungeons and Dragons Tactics - Your mileage may vary if you're a D&D fan...just felt tedious, and quite bug ridden.

If i've omitted something i've either forgotten it (so please ask) or i've not played it (humiliate me why don't you...)
 
Assuming you've not played anything in the way of SRPG's on the PSP i'll break it down more generally, and pare the list down for you -

START WITH THE BEST ONES! These are in my opinion the games that "do it right" and boast gameplay that's solid and a package that's interesting, be it characterisation, story or unique mechanic.

Jeanne D'Arc
FF WotL
Valkyria Chronicles II
Tactics Ogre Let Us Cling Together

These four are all great and will give you a good handle on PSP SRPG's.

Next there are the NIS SRPG's which i group on separate scale as they're very much an acquired taste thanks to the Nippon Ichi "humour". Personally i enjoyed them in this order -

Phantom Brave The Hermuda Triangle (this is again touch and go for many as it features a non standard unit system. I liked it and it felt fresh, many don't. I'd move this up to sit with the top four.)
La Pucelle Ragnarok (JPN only and non translation - i own the PS2 version, heck, i've even got my save up for download on Gamefaqs, so no English was ok for me...maybe not a great choice for someone with no experience)
Disgaea 1 and 2 (more refined SRPG mechanics than the former choices....also more of a focus on ridiculous power levelling though it's not required really for the main game, just post game)

Coincidentally my opinion of the NIS games translates into order of increasing stupidity of the humour/plot. PB is the darkest and most serious in relative terms, Disgaea is pretty stupid.....call me a misery but i like a bit of grit.

Then the oddballs that are worth a shot, be it because they try something different or are less amazing rehashes of other games i've already mentioned -

Wild Arms XF - if you like FFT then you should like this...difficulty can be a bit arbitrary
Knights in the Nightmare - i'm wary of even classing this as an SRPG but it "kind of" is one. It's a love or loathe game and complicated as can be....if you don't like steep learning curves stay away, but it's certainly unique.
R Type Tactics - It's not as amazing an experience as the first four i've mentioned, but again it offers a different experience that is seldom seen. Worth a try on that basis alone.
Field Commander - nothing like the previous games. Like Advance Wars? This is a PSP rejig of that sort of system....
Gungnir - i've no experience of this but i'm led to believe that whilst a bit clunky and sometimes hard it does enough right to warrant a try.
Warhammer 40000 Squad Command - Old and a bit dated in terms of finesse, but if you're a fan of the universe then it's a fun little play and you'll ignore some of the irks.


And the ones i wouldn't save from a burning building? Many of these are really slow paced (SRPG's need to be relatively zippy to navigate and play else you'll lose interest) or are just not very interesting....

Spectral Souls - Resurrection of the Ethereal Empire - SO SLOW. It's just so poorly made that you'll want to kill yourself rather than endure another hour of very little happening. Really awkward and clunky.
Blazing Souls - See above; slow, boring combat, dull story, stupid map mechanic.
Generation of Chaos - slow and fiddly. It's just a bit dated and surpassed by it's sequel...
Aedis Eclipse ....it's sequel which is still a bit dated and whilst does something different you may get bored. Potentially worth a punt but don't get your hopes up.
Mytran Wars - It's unfair to say this is awful (i had save issues with it which made me abandon it early). BUT it's just plain AVERAGE.....not really interesting for any reason at all....
Dungeons and Dragons Tactics - Your mileage may vary if you're a D&D fan...just felt tedious, and quite bug ridden.

If i've omitted something i've either forgotten it (so please ask) or i've not played it (humiliate me why don't you...)

I've read the same thing about Field Commander in terms of it being Sony's version of Advance Wars. Although I'm assuming its more like Days of Ruin (the much darker version of the four). I absolutely loved Dual Strike, especially when choosing a specific character over and over again let to level up benefits (something the previous two versions lacked). Now that Paper Mario is completed I'm hopeful AW is the next series Intelligent Systems will choose to work on.

Anyways which games for PSP, DS, Genesis, GBA or SNES take the same light hearted approach to the strategy genre that the first three Advance Wars chose. Any strategy game in this realm would instantly move up my gaming queue.

Thanks a lot for compiling that list by the way :)
 
Knights in the Nightmare - i'm wary of even classing this as an SRPG but it "kind of" is one. It's a love or loathe game and complicated as can be....if you don't like steep learning curves stay away, but it's certainly unique.

It still to this day, confuses the hell out of me how ANYONE could consider KitN complicated.
I played it originally IN JAPANESE, knowing not a single character of the language.
I beat the game with almost no complications, though I DID use a guide here and there to translate some stuff I wasn't 100% sure of.
Once it came out in English I dominated it further with an even better understanding.
It's probably one of the easiest 'SRPGs' i've ever played. Hectic, fairly fun, but quite easy.
It was probably one of my first strategy-type games too. I wasn't really a fan of them before.
 
It still to this day, confuses the hell out of me how ANYONE could consider KitN complicated.

I'm playing through this at the moment so i may omit some things that i haven't realised are confusing or get a little muddled...

Key Items and recruitment - Key items are immensely missable and are often dependant on broken item respawns in later turns (after you've broken them) It's a bizarre mechanic that almost punishes you for efficiency.
Inability to move (bar some exceptions), weird directional restrictions for some classes
Somewhat punishing durability and vitality mechanic
Odd turn within a turn mechanic. Each "block" of a turn allows you multiple actions despite being only one turn. Sometimes it's essential to not take a turn to recuperate or exchange your time.
Unwieldy map view
Weird tic tac toe finishing grid which can be punishing
No easy way (bar trial and error) to determine which weapons are usable by which characters

Etc...

It's only very loosely an SRPG and is far from traditional.
 
Name the multitude of good Japanese only SRPG's you're referring to that eclipse the English ones i've listed and justify your polar statements...backpedalling won't save you! Only two included in those i quoted are in Japanese(of which one has an English PS2 version), and SRPG's are a genre where games are often playable without full translations.
My bad, it seems that the games i was thinking about was the rpg line-up...you're right on the psp having more srpg's
I don't like playing untranslated games, cause i like to know my attack/ability descriptions. I don't like playing off a walkthrough..

You can basically play Tactics Ogre and then put your PSP to sleep forever.

THIS.

This game pretty much spoiled srpgs for me...very little seems to be on par with this game
 

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