Team Ninja's Representation of Women Not Changing Anytime Soon

[Just Another Gamer]

But that logic is faulty because the same argument can be applied to everything but that point aside you have western games portray males as nothing more then steroid infused idoits that like to smash and bash things and do you see guys screaming "thats endorsing a negative image of men" no they really couldn't give a shit but also the difference between the examples you have are those are against the law while showing women with big boobs isn't.

But that isn't exactly it. It may show some men as gruff and built but that's not nearly as offensive as portraying women as ditzy, helpless, slutty, submissive, or as sexual objects. Like when you play Gears of War, the size of the men or how they act is hardly a focus. If they wanted to be offensive towards men, they'd make them stupid, braindead, brutish, or savage. And not savage like "They shoot people" savage, I'm talking like cavemen. A game like Dead or Alive (especially beach volleyball and such) is completely focused around the women being sexual objects.

I'm not saying western culture isn't guilty of portraying gender roles in the wrong light but it's just highlighted for Japanese culture in cases like this.

Ummm....I haven't seen any of the female DoA characters to be helpless, ditzy and submissive, usually in games they aren't portrayed like that anyway so I don't get why that is brought up. I rather find thats up to preference because I really don't mind playing as any female character even those that are portrayed as sex objects and I hardly see it as a problem or in a way I can't since guys get portrayed like that as well and it seems no one gives a shit which baffles me and I find it a double standard so I do overlook it.

but that point aside you have western games portray males as nothing more then steroid infused idoits that like to smash and bash things and do you see guys screaming "thats endorsing a negative image of men" no they really couldn't give a shit but also the difference between the examples you have are those are against the law while showing women with big boobs isn't.

Those depictions aren't that much better, but there's also a crucial difference. Those hulking stereotypes are made for males (escapist characters full of machismo and strength). These scantily clad, unrealistically proportioned women aren't made for females; they're also designed around appealing to a male audience.

Really? Because I'm a guy and when i'm faced with a decision to either play as a chick or as a steroid infused guy I rather play as the chick mainly because I find that atleast more for a lack of a better work normal than playing a a guy that looks like he is about to hulk out any minute.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Ummm....I haven't seen any of the female DoA characters to be helpless, ditzy and submissive, usually in games they aren't portrayed like that anyway so I don't get why that is brought up. I rather find thats up to preference because I really don't mind playing as any female character even those that are portrayed as sex objects and I hardly see it as a problem or in a way I can't since guys get portrayed like that as well and it seems no one gives a shit which baffles me and I find it a double standard so I do overlook it.

I was talking about offensive images of women in general. But it's not like they're Ph. D's in these games, I'm sure they make plenty of opportunity to make them sound silly and bend over a bit.

Are you female? Well your next statement doesn't say you are so I'll assume that you're not. Of course some guys want the sex their attracted to to be portrayed as sexual. But it's not morally right all the time.

And as I said, men aren't portrayed like this or in an offensive way all the time. Those Lifetime original movies will often offend me because it portrays men as pig, sex-crazed, abusive, a lot of bad stereotypes. But men generally aren't portrayed that way. Sadly it's just a double standard but two wrongs don't make a right.

Also I'm gonna keep "I really don't mind playing as any female character even those that are portrayed as sex objects" as a candidate for dumbest quote on GBAtemp.

Really? Because I'm a guy and when i'm faced with a decision to either play as a chick or as a steroid infused guy I rather play as the chick mainly because I find that atleast more for a lack of a better work normal than playing a a guy that looks like he is about to hulk out any minute.

But the fact that you would prefer to play as a "woman portrayed in a sexual manner" can easily make you classified as sexist.

 

[Gahars]

Really? Because I'm a guy and when i'm faced with a decision to either play as a chick or as a steroid infused guy I rather play as the chick mainly because I find that atleast more for a lack of a better work normal than playing a a guy that looks like he is about to hulk out any minute.

Yes, really. Crazy stuff, right?

...And good for you? You do realize that you don't represent every male that developers, artists, etc. pander to, right?

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Really? Because I'm a guy and when i'm faced with a decision to either play as a chick or as a steroid infused guy I rather play as the chick mainly because I find that atleast more for a lack of a better work normal than playing a a guy that looks like he is about to hulk out any minute.

But the fact that you would prefer to play as a "woman portrayed in a sexual manner" can easily make you classified as sexist.

I never said prefer I said I rather play as women portrayed in a sexual manner than a buffed up guy who looks like he has been taking steroids his whole life.

I was talking about offensive images of women in general. But it's not like they're Ph. D's in these games, I'm sure they make plenty of opportunity to make them sound silly and bend over a bit.

Are you female? Well your next statement doesn't say you are so I'll assume that you're not. Of course some guys want the sex their attracted to to be portrayed as sexual. But it's not morally right all the time.

And as I said, men aren't portrayed like this or in an offensive way all the time. Those Lifetime original movies will often offend me because it portrays men as pig, sex-crazed, abusive, a lot of bad stereotypes. But men generally aren't portrayed that way. Sadly it's just a double standard but two wrongs don't make a right.

Also I'm gonna keep "I really don't mind playing as any female character even those that are portrayed as sex objects" as a candidate for dumbest quote on GBAtemp.

I never said two wrongs make a right but I do find it really stupid that women can say X is portraying females in X manner and needs to stop but when guys say it people usually just go who gives a shit.

So would you rather I say "I love playing as the drugged up buff guy who likes to run around smashing and killing whatever I can instead of the slutty female character that actually seems like they have more than a peanut for a brain"

Really? Because I'm a guy and when i'm faced with a decision to either play as a chick or as a steroid infused guy I rather play as the chick mainly because I find that atleast more for a lack of a better work normal than playing a a guy that looks like he is about to hulk out any minute.

Yes, really. Crazy stuff, right?

...And good for you? You do realize that you don't represent every male that developers, artists, etc. pander to, right?

I do realize that so thank you for pointing out the obvious.

 

[Gahars]

I do realize that so thank you for pointing out the obvious.

If it's so obvious, then why try to make that point to begin with?

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I do realize that so thank you for pointing out the obvious.

If it's so obvious, then why try to make that point to begin with?

Well you did say those male characters were made for guys to play and I just wanted to point out that not all guys are even like that and there are those that exist like me who hate those designs, I never said designers and devs need to cater to me.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I never said two wrongs make a right but I do find it really stupid that women can say X is portraying females in X manner and needs to stop but when guys say it people usually just go who gives a shit.

So would you rather I say "I love playing as the drugged up buff guy who likes to run around smashing and killing whatever I can instead of the slutty female character that actually seems like they have more than a peanut for a brain"

Because the "Gears of War" portrayal of men isn't offensive. They're not sexual objects, they're not brutish or pigs. They're not drugged up, they don't like smashing and killing. They're soldiers. They kill things, yes, but that's their job. They're not like having blood orgies and they don't love running into the trenches and killing aliens. Maybe they get some sick satisfaction as a sense of vengeance for their atrocities but that's just war. People have at times loved killing their enemies because they've done a wrong to them. The image of men in Gears of War isn't sexist. If you want a sexist image of men, I'd suggest those Lifetime original movies. They can often portray men as pigs, sex-crazed, abusive, brutish, and other offensive things associated with men.

Also, how do you explain this?

Is that sexist?

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I never said two wrongs make a right but I do find it really stupid that women can say X is portraying females in X manner and needs to stop but when guys say it people usually just go who gives a shit.

So would you rather I say "I love playing as the drugged up buff guy who likes to run around smashing and killing whatever I can instead of the slutty female character that actually seems like they have more than a peanut for a brain"

Because the "Gears of War" portrayal of men isn't offensive. They're not sexual objects, they're not brutish or pigs. They're not drugged up, they don't like smashing and killing. They're soldiers. They kill things, yes, but that's their job. They're not like having blood orgies and they don't love running into the trenches and killing aliens. Maybe they get some sick satisfaction as a sense of vengeance for their atrocities but that's just war. People have at times loved killing their enemies because they've done a wrong to them. The image of men in Gears of War isn't sexist. If you want a sexist image of men, I'd suggest those Lifetime original movies. They can often portray men as pigs, sex-crazed, abusive, brutish, and other offensive things associated with men.

Also, how do you explain this?

Is that sexist?

I never specified gears of war when I wrote this so why are you bringing that up?

I said game as in general never saying any specific game at all.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I never specified gears of war when I wrote this so why are you bringing that up?

I said game as in general never saying any specific game at all.

But you clearly were talking about Gears of War and I was using it as an example to "buff drugged up men who love killing".

I'd like you to name a game then where the men are portrayed in a sexist manner.

 

[Gahars]

I do realize that so thank you for pointing out the obvious.

If it's so obvious, then why try to make that point to begin with?

Well you did say those male characters were made for guys to play and I just wanted to point out that not all guys are even like that and there are those that exist like me who hate those designs,

Saying something is tailored towards a certain demographic is very, very different from saying that every single member of that demographic has the exact same interests/tastes/what have you.

I never said designers and devs need to cater to me.

And I never said you asked, so...

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I never specified gears of war when I wrote this so why are you bringing that up?

I said game as in general never saying any specific game at all.

But you clearly were talking about Gears of War and I was using it as an example to "buff drugged up men who love killing".

I'd like you to name a game then where the men are portrayed in a sexist manner.

I was gonna say Duke Nukem and Street Fighter but I guess you'll find a way to say i'm wrong so whatever.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

I was gonna say Duke Nukem and Street Fighter but I guess you'll find a way to say i'm wrong so whatever.

Duke Nukem is a parody. He's supposed to be machismo and brash. His whole point is to be over-the-top "manly man".

I don't exactly see how Street Fighter is at all sexist towards men. They're fighters with incredible skill and power, there's a reason they're buff and toned. Even then they're never fighting the stereotypes of being brutish or sex-crazed.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I was gonna say Duke Nukem and Street Fighter but I guess you'll find a way to say i'm wrong so whatever.

Duke Nukem is a parody. He's supposed to be machismo and brash. His whole point is to be over-the-top "manly man".

I don't exactly see how Street Fighter is at all sexist towards men. They're fighters with incredible skill and power, there's a reason they're buff and toned. Even then they're never fighting the stereotypes of being brutish or sex-crazed.

Okay what about Leisure suit Larry.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Okay what about Leisure suit Larry.

I'm not too familiar with Leisure Suit Larry but from what I know he seems to also be a comical parody character.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Okay what about Leisure suit Larry.

I'm not too familiar with Leisure Suit Larry but from what I know he seems to also be a comical parody character.

I was planning on mentioning NieR because they had to change the main character from a white hair pretty boy teen in the original to a buffed up 40 year old for the western release and I guess Raiden from MGS probably counts.

 

[Bladexdsl]

in other words they care more about bouncing tits than actually making good games

with a basis in Japanese culture

sums it up right THERE

 

[emigre]

Okay what about Leisure suit Larry.

I'm not too familiar with Leisure Suit Larry but from what I know he seems to also be a comical parody character.

I was planning on mentioning NieR because they had to change the main character from a white hair pretty boy teen in the original to a buffed up 40 year old for the western release and I guess Raiden from MGS probably counts.

And we all did a 'thank fuck for that.'

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Okay what about Leisure suit Larry.

I'm not too familiar with Leisure Suit Larry but from what I know he seems to also be a comical parody character.

I was planning on mentioning NieR because they had to change the main character from a white hair pretty boy teen in the original to a buffed up 40 year old for the western release and I guess Raiden from MGS probably counts.

And we all did a 'thank fuck for that.'

I'm guessing you like looking at buffed up men instead of women.

 

[jalaneme]

Well, according to Yosuke Hayashi, they have no intention of changing this anytime soon. What's more, he argues that this sort of representation is "common sense", with a basis in Japanese culture. Um...

typical sick japanese, i'm not surprised as the whole game industry is male dominated anyway, i may be in the minority but i have to look at stuff like this and it puts me off playing some games, team ninjas included.

 

[Zerousen]

Well, according to Yosuke Hayashi, they have no intention of changing this anytime soon. What's more, he argues that this sort of representation is "common sense", with a basis in Japanese culture. Um...

typical sick japanese, i'm not surprised as the whole game industry is male dominated anyway, i may be in the minority but i have to look at stuff like this and it puts me off playing some games, team ninjas included.

I don't think it matters though if the game itself is good. The game industry may be male dominated, but I dont see any of my female friends complain about anything in the games that they play. One even stated that DOA was their favorite game on the 3DS, they're opinion, I guess.