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Does alien life exist somewhere? Considering the sheer size of the galaxy (let alone the universe), yeah, it's pretty probable. Do these alien visitor stories make a lick of sense? No, no, no, no, and no.

You're seriously trying to tell me that an alien species mastered the technology necessary to cross the vast gulf of space, landed on our planet, discovered early man, commanded legions of people to build stone pyramids in the middle of a desert/some funky statues/etc., and then just left with nary a goodbye or backward glance? What, did they just have some time to kill?
 
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Does alien life exist somewhere? Considering the sheer size of the galaxy (let alone the universe), yeah, it's pretty probable. Do these alien visitor stories make a lick of sense? No, no, no, no, and no.

You're seriously trying to tell me that an alien species mastered the technology necessary to cross the vast gulf of space, landed on our planet, discovered early man, commanded legions of people to build stone pyramids in the middle of a desert/some funky statues/etc., and then just left with nary a goodbye or backward glance? What, did they just have some time to kill?

I agree, I don't think Aliens would bother with stone... it would be like Intel deciding to get its engineers to travel to the Amazon and command the local natives to build some stuff out of wood....
 
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Also, skeptics of the ancient aliens theory should seriously watch that video SixSenseEagle embedded. I'm not sure that I fully subscribe to the idea that aliens built the pyramids but there is a whole lot of weirdness surrounding the Egyptian pyramids. For instance, supposedly they were constructed in 10-20 years. Even with the slave labor provided by the Hebrews that seems like an incredibly short amount of time for such a massive undertaking. Even with our modern science and construction equipment that would be quite the time crunch.

And have you ever seen what the interior of the pyramid looks like? Here:
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Doesn't that seem odd? Why would they build it like that? It's an inefficient use of space not to mention much harder to build. Some of those hallways are so short that you have to stoop over or even crawl to get through them, then they open up into these big(ish) chambers. I feel reasonably confident saying that there are no other structures in the world laid out like this. It doesn't look like it was designed by humans, we wouldn't put it together like this. Seriously, watch that video. Yeah I know, Ancient Aliens isn't exactly the most scholarly source but they raise a lot of good points, even if they immediately jump to the conclusion that it must have been aliens.

My favorite out-there theory is the one put forth by engineer Christopher Dunn, that the Giza pyramid was in fact a huge power plant running on a massive chemical reaction. He wrote a whole book about it, I've been wanting to read it.

When it comes to the Pyramids I subscribe to the theory that they are built very weird, and in accordance to the book of the dead (I have some pictures of it when it was on display at a museum near me why they call it a book.... it's actually a giant scroll like 16 feet long or something.) the entire structure is designed to aid the "God King" ascend into heaven or the after life what ever you want to call it. That is why it's laid out so weird, alignment to the stars and all that. The time to build thing? Easy enough to explain, we waste vast amounts of time on modern construction doing things like safety and weekend.... Remove weekends alone and something that would take 12 years suddenly drops to under 10.
It's just a really big burial mound. It's particularly big because the king before him made one, too, and he had to make it bigger. They didn't care about filling the extra space with rooms. It's just needed a couple of fairly good sized rooms to put some treasures, the dead king's body, and some other other ceremonial stuff. The rest is just to make it BIG. adding more rooms would just mean more work.
 

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When it comes to the Pyramids I subscribe to the theory that they are built very weird, and in accordance to the book of the dead (I have some pictures of it when it was on display at a museum near me why they call it a book.... it's actually a giant scroll like 16 feet long or something.) the entire structure is designed to aid the "God King" ascend into heaven or the after life what ever you want to call it. That is why it's laid out so weird, alignment to the stars and all that. The time to build thing? Easy enough to explain, we waste vast amounts of time on modern construction doing things like safety and weekend.... Remove weekends alone and something that would take 12 years suddenly drops to under 10.
That's interesting, I had never heard about the ascension theory. It certainly is a good explanation, probably better than "aliens did it" :)

As far as the build time, I agree that getting rid of such silly trifles as "time off" and "safety precautions" and "workers' rights" would minimize construction time considerably, but some of the stones used in the pyramid's construction weighed upwards of five tons. First of all, cutting the stones like that is architecturally illogical (unless that too was prescribed in the Book of the Dead I suppose). And I've heard the accepted explanations for how they moved the stones but I'm sorry, I can't believe that they would be able to build the pyramids in 10-20 years using ropes and pulleys and wooden scaffolding to move 5-10 ton stone blocks. They may have been able to build the pyramids that way but I think it would take a hell of a lot longer. Just my uneducated opinion, mind.
 

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When it comes to the Pyramids I subscribe to the theory that they are built very weird, and in accordance to the book of the dead (I have some pictures of it when it was on display at a museum near me why they call it a book.... it's actually a giant scroll like 16 feet long or something.) the entire structure is designed to aid the "God King" ascend into heaven or the after life what ever you want to call it. That is why it's laid out so weird, alignment to the stars and all that. The time to build thing? Easy enough to explain, we waste vast amounts of time on modern construction doing things like safety and weekend.... Remove weekends alone and something that would take 12 years suddenly drops to under 10.
That's interesting, I had never heard about the ascension theory. It certainly is a good explanation, probably better than "aliens did it" :)

As far as the build time, I agree that getting rid of such silly trifles as "time off" and "safety precautions" and "workers' rights" would minimize construction time considerably, but some of the stones used in the pyramid's construction weighed upwards of five tons. First of all, cutting the stones like that is architecturally illogical (unless that too was prescribed in the Book of the Dead I suppose). And I've heard the accepted explanations for how they moved the stones but I'm sorry, I can't believe that they would be able to build the pyramids in 10-20 years using ropes and pulleys and wooden scaffolding to move 5-10 ton stone blocks. They may have been able to build the pyramids that way but I think it would take a hell of a lot longer. Just my uneducated opinion, mind.

Here's just one article I came across after a minute on Google. It's a very interesting read.

...For centuries, people have theorized how the great pyramids were built. Some have suggested that they must have been constructed by extraterrestrials, while others believe the Egyptians possessed a technology that has been lost through the ages.

But the process of building pyramids, while complicated, was not as colossal an undertaking as many of us believe, Redford says. Estimates suggest that between 20,000 and 30,000 laborers were needed to build the Great Pyramid at Giza in less than 23 years. By comparison, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris took almost 200 years to complete.

According to Redford, pharaohs traditionally began building their pyramids as soon as they took the throne. The pharaoh would first establish a committee composed of an overseer of construction, a chief engineer and an architect. The pyramids were usually placed on the western side of the Nile because the pharaoh's soul was meant to join with the sun disc during its descent before continuing with the sun in its eternal round. Added Redford, the two deciding factors when choosing a building site were its orientation to the western horizon where the sun set and the proximity to Memphis, the central city of ancient Egypt.

The cores of the pyramids were often composed of local limestone, said Redford. Finer quality limestone composed the outer layer of the pyramids, giving them a white sheen that could be seen from miles away. The capstone was usually made of granite, basalt, or another very hard stone and could be plated with gold, silver or electrum, an alloy of gold and silver, and would also be highly reflective in the bright sun.

Said Redford, the image most people have of slaves being forced to build the pyramids against their will is incorrect. "The concept of slavery is a very complicated problem in ancient Egypt," he noted, "because the legal aspects of indentured servitude and slavery were very complicated." The peasants who worked on the pyramids were given tax breaks and were taken to 'pyramid cities' where they were given shelter, food and clothing, he noted.

According to Redford, ancient Egyptian quarrying methods -- the processes for cutting and removing stone -- are still being studied. Scholars have found evidence that copper chisels were using for quarrying sandstone and limestone, for example, but harder stones such as granite and diorite would have required stronger materials, said Redford. Dolerite, a hard, black igneous rock, was used in the quarries of Aswan to remove granite.

During excavation, massive dolerite "pounders" were used to pulverize the stone around the edge of the granite block that needed to be extracted. According to Redford, 60 to 70 men would pound out the stone. At the bottom, they rammed wooden pegs into slots they had cut, and filled the slots with water. The pegs would expand, splitting the stone, and the block was then slid down onto a waiting boat.

Teams of oxen or manpower were used to drag the stones on a prepared slipway that was lubricated with oil. Said Redford, a scene from a 19th century B.C. tomb in Middle Egypt depicts "an alabaster statue 20 feet high pulled by 173 men on four ropes with a man lubricating the slipway as the pulling went on."

Once the stones were at the construction site, ramps were built to get them into place on the pyramid, said Redford. These ramps were made of mud brick and coated with chips of plaster to harden the surface. "If they consistently raised the ramp course by course as the teams dragged their blocks up, they could have gotten them into place fairly easily," he noted. At least one such ramp still exists, he said.

When answering to skepticism about how such heavy stones could have been moved without machinery, Redford says, "I usually show the skeptic a picture of 20 of my workers at an archaeological dig site pulling up a two-and-a-half ton granite block." He added, "I know it's possible because I was on the ropes too."

TL;DR: It was a massive undertaking, sure, but it was still well within the realm of possibility for the Egyptians.
 
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When it comes to the Pyramids I subscribe to the theory that they are built very weird, and in accordance to the book of the dead (I have some pictures of it when it was on display at a museum near me why they call it a book.... it's actually a giant scroll like 16 feet long or something.) the entire structure is designed to aid the "God King" ascend into heaven or the after life what ever you want to call it. That is why it's laid out so weird, alignment to the stars and all that. The time to build thing? Easy enough to explain, we waste vast amounts of time on modern construction doing things like safety and weekend.... Remove weekends alone and something that would take 12 years suddenly drops to under 10.
That's interesting, I had never heard about the ascension theory. It certainly is a good explanation, probably better than "aliens did it" :)

As far as the build time, I agree that getting rid of such silly trifles as "time off" and "safety precautions" and "workers' rights" would minimize construction time considerably, but some of the stones used in the pyramid's construction weighed upwards of five tons. First of all, cutting the stones like that is architecturally illogical (unless that too was prescribed in the Book of the Dead I suppose). And I've heard the accepted explanations for how they moved the stones but I'm sorry, I can't believe that they would be able to build the pyramids in 10-20 years using ropes and pulleys and wooden scaffolding to move 5-10 ton stone blocks. They may have been able to build the pyramids that way but I think it would take a hell of a lot longer. Just my uneducated opinion, mind.

Here's just one article I came across after a minute on Google. It's a very interesting read.

...For centuries, people have theorized how the great pyramids were built. Some have suggested that they must have been constructed by extraterrestrials, while others believe the Egyptians possessed a technology that has been lost through the ages.

But the process of building pyramids, while complicated, was not as colossal an undertaking as many of us believe, Redford says. Estimates suggest that between 20,000 and 30,000 laborers were needed to build the Great Pyramid at Giza in less than 23 years. By comparison, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris took almost 200 years to complete.

According to Redford, pharaohs traditionally began building their pyramids as soon as they took the throne. The pharaoh would first establish a committee composed of an overseer of construction, a chief engineer and an architect. The pyramids were usually placed on the western side of the Nile because the pharaoh's soul was meant to join with the sun disc during its descent before continuing with the sun in its eternal round. Added Redford, the two deciding factors when choosing a building site were its orientation to the western horizon where the sun set and the proximity to Memphis, the central city of ancient Egypt.

The cores of the pyramids were often composed of local limestone, said Redford. Finer quality limestone composed the outer layer of the pyramids, giving them a white sheen that could be seen from miles away. The capstone was usually made of granite, basalt, or another very hard stone and could be plated with gold, silver or electrum, an alloy of gold and silver, and would also be highly reflective in the bright sun.

Said Redford, the image most people have of slaves being forced to build the pyramids against their will is incorrect. "The concept of slavery is a very complicated problem in ancient Egypt," he noted, "because the legal aspects of indentured servitude and slavery were very complicated." The peasants who worked on the pyramids were given tax breaks and were taken to 'pyramid cities' where they were given shelter, food and clothing, he noted.

According to Redford, ancient Egyptian quarrying methods -- the processes for cutting and removing stone -- are still being studied. Scholars have found evidence that copper chisels were using for quarrying sandstone and limestone, for example, but harder stones such as granite and diorite would have required stronger materials, said Redford. Dolerite, a hard, black igneous rock, was used in the quarries of Aswan to remove granite.

During excavation, massive dolerite "pounders" were used to pulverize the stone around the edge of the granite block that needed to be extracted. According to Redford, 60 to 70 men would pound out the stone. At the bottom, they rammed wooden pegs into slots they had cut, and filled the slots with water. The pegs would expand, splitting the stone, and the block was then slid down onto a waiting boat.

Teams of oxen or manpower were used to drag the stones on a prepared slipway that was lubricated with oil. Said Redford, a scene from a 19th century B.C. tomb in Middle Egypt depicts "an alabaster statue 20 feet high pulled by 173 men on four ropes with a man lubricating the slipway as the pulling went on."

Once the stones were at the construction site, ramps were built to get them into place on the pyramid, said Redford. These ramps were made of mud brick and coated with chips of plaster to harden the surface. "If they consistently raised the ramp course by course as the teams dragged their blocks up, they could have gotten them into place fairly easily," he noted. At least one such ramp still exists, he said.

When answering to skepticism about how such heavy stones could have been moved without machinery, Redford says, "I usually show the skeptic a picture of 20 of my workers at an archaeological dig site pulling up a two-and-a-half ton granite block." He added, "I know it's possible because I was on the ropes too."

TL;DR: It was a massive undertaking, sure, but it was still well within the realm of possibility for the Egyptians.
You're right, that was an interesting read. I'm still slightly skeptical but that article answered most of the questions I had. Thanks for sharing!
 
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Im glad Gahars came to straighten put all the nonsense im not intelligent enough to handle. But i cant imagine aliens coming to build the pyramids.
 
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This vídeo is the answer



Well, maybe not ..but if you got scared at some point, them something in you believes in ufos and stuff a bit ...right? :P
 
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Im glad Gahars came to straighten put all the nonsense im not intelligent enough to handle. But i cant imagine aliens coming to build the pyramids.
Didn't you see StarGate? They're landing pads for space ships. :P
No i stay far away from anything futuristic sifi thats not animation.
 

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Im glad Gahars came to straighten put all the nonsense im not intelligent enough to handle. But i cant imagine aliens coming to build the pyramids.
Didn't you see StarGate? They're landing pads for space ships. :P
No i stay far away from anything futuristic sifi thats not animation.

Your in luck they also made it in an Animated flavor... lol I cannot vouch for how good or bad it is though....

http://en.wikipedia....argate_Infinity

Edit: It must be really REALLY bad... I just checked one of the more popular torrent sites to see how popular it is. The thing has 4 seeds lol
 

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I believe there real, since the aliens helped the egyptians build the pyramids from top to bottom I think or the other way around, I got that off the history channel :).
They put big blocks on top of big blocks nothing special, I got that off the history channel just now :)
 

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I believe in Unidentified Flying Aircraft's. All it takes it for me to look up in the sky and say "now what the hell is that thing" then bam, my U.F.O
 

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I live in Puerto Rico and there's this place called El Yunque and is kinda like a area 51 people go in and never come back so I wouldn't be surprise if by the end of the year the president would say ohhh aliens exists and they are among us no shit Sherlock so let's hope they really come in peace
 
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