Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[sdoc96]

I've got to laugh at all the "Holier than though" attitudes in this and the other thread.
Then I'd like to know how many of those with that attitude have MAME (or other) roms and OWN the arcade boards (or carts) they have played.
Not many, I'd wager.

EDIT: LOL - not to mention arguing their point on GBAtemp where the front page sports advertisements for DS flash cards primarily meant for those who say 'OHHAAARRRGH!'

 

[tmv_josue]

Looking at the Devo thread, seems like there are more people not using it than using it

And what, is that important in any sense? No.

What is the point of creating this project , how is it better than dios-mios ? ( now if it supported the wii motes then that would be something )

It is not about it be more important than DM... they are 2 very good proyects.

I've got to laugh at all the "Holier than though" attitudes in this and the other thread.
Then I'd like to know how many of those with that attitude have MAME (or other) roms and OWN the arcade boards (or carts) they have played.
Not many, I'd wager.

In my case i´m not trying to defend the law, I do not care if you comply it or not, I try to tell you respect the author's decision, that's all.

 

[Rydian]

I've got to laugh at all the "Holier than though" attitudes in this and the other thread.
Then I'd like to know how many of those with that attitude have MAME (or other) roms and OWN the arcade boards (or carts) they have played.
Not many, I'd wager.

EDIT: LOL - not to mention arguing their point on GBAtemp where the front page sports advertisements for DS flash cards primarily meant for those who say 'OHHAAARRRGH!'

I, personally, am defending the author's right to include AP in a product he wrote... and I use a flash cart and ROMs, and would prefer he not included the AP, but he did and it's his own damn decision.

 

[Maverick Lunar X]

Same boat as Rydian. While I don't think the dev really gives a shit about piracy (as I stated in the Devo thread, he's wanting to implement connectivity with GBA emulators :| ) and the reason he did any of it was to troll everyone using his coding abilities, its still his right to implement AP.

And I doubt bickering from a bunch of people on the intertubes will do anything to change that. I suggest money and hookers.

 

[Midna]

I've got to laugh at all the "Holier than though" attitudes in this and the other thread.
Then I'd like to know how many of those with that attitude have MAME (or other) roms and OWN the arcade boards (or carts) they have played.
Not many, I'd wager.

EDIT: LOL - not to mention arguing their point on GBAtemp where the front page sports advertisements for DS flash cards primarily meant for those who say 'OHHAAARRRGH!'

I, personally, am defending the author's right to include AP in a product he wrote... and I use a flash cart and ROMs, and would prefer he not included the AP, but he did and it's his own damn decision.

Of course it's his decision. But that doesn't mean that what he decided was logical, reasonable, or somehow immune to criticism.

 

[Rydian]

Of course it's his decision. But that doesn't mean that what he decided was logical, reasonable, or somehow immune to criticism.

Yeah I'm not debating the point of this thread (not everybody agrees on what's reasonable or logical), but some arguments on both sides have been grasping at straws.

 

[Felipe_9595]

Same boat as Rydian. While I don't think the dev really gives a shit about piracy (as I stated in the Devo thread, he's wanting to implement connectivity with GBA emulators :| ) and the reason he did any of it was to troll everyone using his coding abilities, its still his right to implement AP.

And I doubt bickering from a bunch of people on the intertubes will do anything to change that. I suggest money and hookers.

I think in the same way, for me tuedji is a troll and a d***. Even more, if you read how he respond to the people in the Devo thread, you will notice he donts gives a fuck about people's problem.

 

[Rydian]

Even more, if you read how he respond to the people in the Devo thread, you will notice he donts gives a fuck about people's problem.

Link to posts?
Individual example posts.

 

[sdoc96]

I've got to laugh at all the "Holier than though" attitudes in this and the other thread.
Then I'd like to know how many of those with that attitude have MAME (or other) roms and OWN the arcade boards (or carts) they have played.
Not many, I'd wager.

EDIT: LOL - not to mention arguing their point on GBAtemp where the front page sports advertisements for DS flash cards primarily meant for those who say 'OHHAAARRRGH!'

I, personally, am defending the author's right to include AP in a product he wrote... and I use a flash cart and ROMs, and would prefer he not included the AP, but he did and it's his own damn decision.

Never did I mention the authors right to writing code as he sees fit. If you look at what I said, I was pointing out those who champion this point of view, not specifically how some app was written. It IS his right to free (code) speech, as it is mine to freely point out the irony of many supporters of a feature.

I find it amusing, that's all. I like to share a laugh.

 

[FireGrey]

Same boat as Rydian. While I don't think the dev really gives a shit about piracy (as I stated in the Devo thread, he's wanting to implement connectivity with GBA emulators :| ) and the reason he did any of it was to troll everyone using his coding abilities, its still his right to implement AP.

And I doubt bickering from a bunch of people on the intertubes will do anything to change that. I suggest money and hookers.

I think in the same way, for me tuedji is a troll and a d***. Even more, if you read how he respond to the people in the Devo thread, you will notice he donts gives a fuck about people's problem.

I know right, it's so selfish and trollish to release a revolutionary homebrew which doesn't do what everyone wants.

 

[Sicklyboy]

I've got to laugh at all the "Holier than though" attitudes in this and the other thread.
Then I'd like to know how many of those with that attitude have MAME (or other) roms and OWN the arcade boards (or carts) they have played.
Not many, I'd wager.

EDIT: LOL - not to mention arguing their point on GBAtemp where the front page sports advertisements for DS flash cards primarily meant for those who say 'OHHAAARRRGH!'

I have a flash cart and I've never said "OHHAAARRRGH!"

Personally, it's always been more of a "Woo."

 

[Midna]

Same boat as Rydian. While I don't think the dev really gives a shit about piracy (as I stated in the Devo thread, he's wanting to implement connectivity with GBA emulators :| ) and the reason he did any of it was to troll everyone using his coding abilities, its still his right to implement AP.

And I doubt bickering from a bunch of people on the intertubes will do anything to change that. I suggest money and hookers.

I think in the same way, for me tuedji is a troll and a d***. Even more, if you read how he respond to the people in the Devo thread, you will notice he donts gives a fuck about people's problem.

I know right, it's so selfish and trollish to release a revolutionary homebrew which doesn't do what everyone wants.

Try making sense instead of swinging around sarcasm like a baseball bat. Starting a post with 'I know, right' makes you sound like an insufferable jackass, and when you follow it with bullshit, it makes you look like an insufferable moron.

Care to explain how the fact that an application is 'revolutionary' automatically makes the author immune to any criticism, and eliminates the possibility that his motives might not be pure?
I mean, actually think about what you're saying. If the inventor of the first sentient AI uses it to try to eliminate humanity, is he a perfect person because he coded 'revolutionary' new software?

 

[SifJar]

If he wants to be a prick and not release the source(which in that case, he should've just kept it to himself), then someone should reverse engineer it and crack it. That'll teach him a lesson. You don't want fix the problems or remove AP? Someone else WILL!

Yeah, what sort of scumbag releases any sort of software without releasing source and expect people to use it? (Obviously, you can't be using Windows or Mac OS, you are presumably on Linux and using all open source software). In fact, considering this even matters to you, you must have written your own clone of the homebrew channel, and figured out your own IOS exploit to use for your own installer, cause being so opposed to closed source software (which is of course only released by "pricks"), you couldn't have used the HackMii Installer to install the official HBC. That's fairly impressive. Well done. (I'm assuming you have kept it to yourself, perhaps because you didn't want to release source?)

 

[Etheboss]

tueidj, if you are by any chance reading this.

After reading this topic so far, i have come to the conclusion you should have kept the loader to yourself (like a lot of developers do BTW) and it was wrong of you to share it.
People seem to think now they have the right to demand things from you, although you have clearly stated Devolution is for your OWN use in the first place.
Man, there are some weird people out there not appreciating what they are getting for free.

I am done with this topic anyway...what ever people write now as a reaction to my post i am not going to read.

 

[Hielkenator]

tueidj, if you are by any chance reading this.

After reading this topic so far, i have come to the conclusion you should have kept the loader to yourself (like a lot of developers do BTW) and it was wrong of you to share it.
People seem to think now they have the right to demand things from you, although you have clearly stated Devolution is for your OWN use in the first place.
Man, there are some weird people out there not appreciating what they are getting for free.

I am done with this topic anyway...what ever people write now as a reaction to my post i am not going to read.

I agree, though it's hard to believe he implemented AP just for himself to enjoy.

 

[snikerz]

I have a WODE, does it mean I can trick Devolution's AP measure? I think so
Ikaruga.. here I go!

People have tried other modchips without success.

Wiikey Fusion works.

 

[Jacobeian]

Awesome... 18 pages of useless rant, we sure are bored to debate around something that is not going to change, I persist saying this time will be better use discussing or better learning how to make something similar without AP or hack the AP out of it. That would also leave most of the useless pricks that never contribute anything but complaints out of the thread .

Also, calling someone a moron or an asshole because he released something you cannot use or does not fit with the standard you are used to REALLY makes you sound like spoiled & frustrated children, time to grow up maybe ?

 

[JohnnyBlaze1986]

You're right. He SHOULD HAVE kept it to himself. If he wants to whine like a bitch when people point the flaws out in his program even for LEGITIMATE DISCS(which is one of the BIGGEST arguments against the AP bullshit in the first place), then it's better that he never shared it at all. Judging by his comments in the thread for the loader(which is what pissed me off in the first place as he basically told people in no uncertain terms "It is what it is, deal with it" and I HATE arrogant pricks), he only released it to fulfill his own ego and make his virtual penis that much bigger. Even WITHOUT the AP discussions, it's clear that he had NO INTENTION to fix any bugs or continue work on the program. When you make a homebrew program and release it, generally you upload the source code as well so that the community can add their own functions and fix bugs. It's been like that ever since the earliest days of computing. The reason the AP was brought up by me at least, was that it seemed to be the big cause of the problems with this loader. If it didn't have AP, a lot of these games would work NO PROBLEM! My defense was that there is NO REASON FOR THE AP IN THE FIRST PLACE CONSIDERING THAT NO MONEY IS BEING MADE ON THE GAMECUBE ANYMORE! That's like putting AP on an Atari 2600 emulator or a Nintendo Entertainment System one. Nintendo actually MAKES money from NES games due to the Virtual Console, same with the SNES and N64. There are flashcarts for those systems WIDELY available(I've done reviews on both). Having AP on an emulator is pointless and judging by the author's actions and comments was SOLELY done as a selfish act. Nothing more. Nothing less.

It won't matter any how. He released the program. If he pulls it, someone else is just going to take it over, fix the bugs, remove the AP, and make it better. It's only a matter of time before someone reverse engineers it and releases the source code. This is a COMMUNITY. You want to be selfish, go somewhere else. Do I know how to program? NO. But, that's not the issue. It's about the THOUGHT. I create videos all the time and share them on my YouTube. If I were to have said "Fuck You" and keep a lot of my tutorials to myself, people would not see how something is done and couldn't do something on their own. But, I'm NOT like that. I share my skills. I share my knowledge. I was raised up to be a respectable human being. I'm not and will NEVER be a selfish asshole. You don't like criticism on your program? There's the door and don't let it hit your ASS on the way out! Come back when you can learn to drop your ego at the door, be a man, learn to share, and take criticism!

 

[retKHAAAN]

Same boat as Rydian. While I don't think the dev really gives a shit about piracy (as I stated in the Devo thread, he's wanting to implement connectivity with GBA emulators :| ) and the reason he did any of it was to troll everyone using his coding abilities, its still his right to implement AP.

And I doubt bickering from a bunch of people on the intertubes will do anything to change that. I suggest money and hookers.

I think in the same way, for me tuedji is a troll and a d***. Even more, if you read how he respond to the people in the Devo thread, you will notice he donts gives a fuck about people's problem.

I know right, it's so selfish and trollish to release a revolutionary homebrew which doesn't do what everyone wants.

Try making sense instead of swinging around sarcasm like a baseball bat. Starting a post with 'I know, right' makes you sound like an insufferable jackass, and when you follow it with bullshit, it makes you look like an insufferable moron.

Care to explain how the fact that an application is 'revolutionary' automatically makes the author immune to any criticism, and eliminates the possibility that his motives might not be pure?
I mean, actually think about what you're saying. If the inventor of the first sentient AI uses it to try to eliminate humanity, is he a perfect person because he coded 'revolutionary' new software?

Are you being ironic on purpose? You berate a user for following up sarcasm with "bullshit" and then you compare a backup loader to a sentient AI destroying the human race.

Not sure if anyone's really noticed, but the only people namecalling and foaming at the mouth are the ones who disagree with tueidj's decision. Who gives a shit what someone else does with their own project. Who cares what their motivations are? You may as well be angry with him for not thinking about you while he masturbates...

 

[snikerz]

It won't matter any how. He released the program. If he pulls it, someone else is just going to take it over, fix the bugs, remove the AP, and make it better. It's only a matter of time before someone reverse engineers it and releases the source code.

I would be really impressed if someone who was actually interested in enabling piracy would accomplish that. The code is very well obfuscated. I managed to patch the hypervisor to let me dump memory via EXI, but even the DVV generation/check is a mess.