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I was about to mention Kratos and Snake, but still they belong to different trademarks. And we already have seen some disputes between Sony and their Trademark Owners

Snake may be owned by Konami but i'm pretty sure Kratos is 100% Sony property.
 

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I was about to mention Kratos and Snake, but still they belong to different trademarks. And we already have seen some disputes between Sony and their Trademark Owners

Snake may be owned by Konami but i'm pretty sure Kratos is 100% Sony property.

The Kratos part was right, it belongs to sony =P

But we're getting a little of topic, just noticed.
 

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Don't understand why Pokemon is so popular. Started as a cartoon for 6-8 year olds and now has spread to adults. Christ dueling? Fo' real?

I don't know if this already got replied to because I don't feel like going through 6 Pages. Pokemon was a Video Game, and it wasn't actually childish, and a Manga, which was actually Mature compared to the Garbage filled Anime which came next. I'm not sure if the Anime came before the Manga but you can probably understand the "jist"of it.
 

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I still find Vita needs some new refreshing characters. See, the 3DS speaks for itself, the 3D gimmick and stuff. What about that? Old school characters now in 3D! This was a double edged course Nintendo decided to take once again, and they're stabilizing right now. For some reason, I found the 3DS generation characters to have the "retro feel" it needed long ago (say, Mario, Mario Kart 64 era) and I love it.

Is Sackboy not enough for you? I mean we have LBP Vita coming out sometime. What about those little ModNation Racer people? That's a launch title. Who wouldn't want Nathan Drake advertising the thing like Mentos? Sony has never relied on key "characters" and probably never will. They do have some defining franchises but their consoles are mostly remembered for their diversity in games. If your gaming interests are so reliant on having certain characters in certain games then you're just a terrible gamer. Good games are good because they're well designed, not because they have Mario and Link in them. In fact, saying that these consoles sell to you PURELY because of the characters means you're absolutely blind. It could be a completely shitty game but you'd buy it because they stamped Mario or Link on the cover by your logic. That's the real "retro feel" I want.

EDIT: Oh, and in an alternate universe where Naughty Dog continued working on Crash Bandicoot, if we were just hearing about Crash Bandicoot X: The Battle for Middle Cortex, I'm sure you'd be bawwing about them "not being original" and just "milking" the franchise but completely applauding when like the 20th Mario platformer comes out.

PSVita's fortress is... well the 3G + touchscreen + better gfx + PS3 games ported. This must be the 1st time a handheld (known worldwide) offers internal internet connectivity. At least as a dedicated gaming device, unlike iphone.

Wait, you're going to criticize the Vita for having "PS3 games ported" when you think it gives the 3DS a "retro feel" to have "old characters" (and old games) in 3D? Well fuck me sideways this is the biggest contradiction I've seen. Also, app games are fun, don't mess. And if you really can't see the difference between a 3DS and a Vita then you're absolutely fucking retarded. One has two analog sticks, one has two screens. THAT'S RATHER NOTICEABLE.

But, what the heck, I still find Sony to do not cook his own character/genre so they can milk it as they please, this kind of strategy helps supporting the console. If they ever had one OMGZ KNOWN CHARACTER exclusively from Sony since crash bandicoot ol' times, I didn't even noticed them hence, my preferences on any Sony game platform would derive from games I played in my childhood.

25 years of Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games and they're "original" but 5 God of War games and that's milking. Bull. Shit. Also, basically your issue is that they don't have some brightly colored character to attract you to their console. That's basically the same marketing method that is used to get the parents of 5 year olds to buy them Fruit Loops. Congratulations. And since when did Nintendo have its own genres? They don't own platformers. They don't own action adventure games. They don't own party games. They don't own racing games. They don't own Metroidvania (mainly because it's part Metroid and part Castlevania).

On the other hand Nintendo keeps loyal to (most of them) characters/genre as we already know by tradition since 20 years aprox. So no matter how many times we see a Mario Kart 99 or a Pokemon Mayonnaise, it'll be successful because of their own genre and/or characters.

Wait wait wait, these games are "successful" purely because they have key characters in them? That's absolutely fucking retarded. We have so many terrible Pokemon spin offs and I guess that's just fine because it has Pikachu in them.

What I'm seeing is your entire argument comes down to "SONY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH NOTABLE CHARACTERS" when the main message has been that they never relied on mascots or reoccurring characters (which is in fact THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF MILKING) and that, in the end, characters shouldn't matter. Games should be bought and judged on how they play and their quality, not on whether it has one character or another in it. If you're really going to say "Well this console is amazing" for the sole reason of having one character on it then that just makes you an incredibly shallow and close minded gamer.
 

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Come on Guild, relax. You were the one complaining about OOT3D and at the same time looking forward to MGS HD and recommending FFX HD. Now that's a contradiction :P

then you're absolutely fucking retarded.
Watch your mouth Mr. Magazine Staff. Don't wanna report ya...

They don't own Metroidvania (mainly because it's part Metroid and part Castlevania).
The first "Metroidvania" game was actually Metroid and Super Metroid perfected that formular. Then came Symphony of the Nigtht and people came up with the term "Metroidvania". But Nintendo actually invented this sub-genre.

25 years of Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games
You can say what you want but keeping franchises alive and well for over 25 years as a game company is a great archievement. The games stay true to their respective formular while evolving at the same time. These game franchises are still alive and kicking because they are good and there's demand for them. What's wrong about this? I'm sure if Sony stays that long in the game business Kratos, Sackboy and Nate will still be there, and that's good! On a side note, I played all 5 GoW games and I enjoyed them all!
 

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then you're absolutely fucking retarded.
Watch your mouth Mr. Magazine Staff. Don't wanna report ya...

I wasn't insulting him or calling him "fucking retarded", I was generally saying "if anyone believes X, then that person is fucking retarded". I wasn't aiming that statement towards him.

They don't own Metroidvania (mainly because it's part Metroid and part Castlevania).
The first "Metroidvania" game was actually Metroid and Super Metroid perfected that formular. Then came Symphony of the Nigtht and people came up with the term "Metroidvania". But Nintendo actually invented this sub-genre.

Technically yes but it's now called "Metroidvania" and there are plenty of "Metroidvania" games out there that aren't necessarily Metroid or Castlevania. Cave Story, Shadow Complex, and Monster Tale all come to mind.


25 years of Mario, Zelda, and Metroid games
You can say what you want but keeping franchises alive and well for over 25 years as a game company is a great archievement. The games stay true to their respective formular while evolving at the same time. These game franchises are still alive and kicking because they are good and there's demand for them. What's wrong about this? I'm sure if Sony stays that long in the game business Kratos, Sackboy and Nate will still be there, and that's good! On a side note, I played all 5 GoW games and I enjoyed them all!

I just find that people will criticize Kratos, Sackboy, and Nate for "milking" if they last 25 years but if Mario, Zelda, and Metroid last 50 years (roughly, by the time the others reach their 25 year mark) then people will say it's a "great accomplishment" that they're able to keep the franchise running for 50 years. Not saying you would, but others surely will. It's a gigantic double standard. I can't remember how many times I've seen people yell at Final Fantasy for being nothing more than "milking" when it's been around for about the same time as Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. Gaming fanbases are full of terrible double standards, I was simply pointing out a gigantic one.
 

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I just find that people will criticize Kratos, Sackboy, and Nate for "milking" if they last 25 years but if Mario, Zelda, and Metroid last 50 years (roughly, by the time the others reach their 25 year mark) then people will say it's a "great accomplishment" that they're able to keep the franchise running for 50 years. Not saying you would, but others surely will. It's a gigantic double standard. I can't remember how many times I've seen people yell at Final Fantasy for being nothing more than "milking" when it's been around for about the same time as Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. Gaming fanbases are full of terrible double standards, I was simply pointing out a gigantic one.
The thing is that I mostly see Nintendo being accused for rehashing and milking and then games like COD, GoW and Uncharted are mentioned. I think it's just a matter of on which "side" the people are standing. If they "prefer" company x, they say company y is milking and the others can say it the other way around. It really doesn't matter if we are talking about Nintendo, MS oder Sony. If someone wants to see things in a certain way (milking and rehashing), he just does it. And all would have a point. But what is the point of this complaining anyway? As I said before these "rehashes" only exist because there is demand for them and because they are good. So obviously people want them and at the same time other people don't want them calling the rehashes or whatever.
 

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Wow I thought I could have a word with this guildmccommunist guy, I even pointed that both Sony and Nintendo deserve their own effort as big company developers.

The next time you call me retarded Guild McCommunist i'll make sure you get well rewarded (being reported included), this kind of statements are flaming.

Staffers flaming publicly is a big no-no, and to tell you the truth, i've seen several post of you doing the same things to different users, Of course you'll try to hide and change the subject, but that kind of attitude leaves a lot to desire. Say, don't you want to tarnish all the effort staffers are trying to do while treating users with respect, right? Get out of that basement, and begin to respect others as not everyone may think the same as you, but they deserve to keep their opinions as important as yours.
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Like I said before, Sony needs some new big new mascot, who the hell know sackboy more than mario? Hell I don't even love Mario as character, but this one is well known worldwide, and this means, nintendo has been doing right their job as such mascot re-defined multiplatform/adventure genres while supporting their own franchise for years.

Sony has the hardware, and third party support, but once they (3rd parties) sign better contracts with anyone, those games migrate and Sony lose the "exclusivity" of them.

oh, and i'm happy to read 3DS broke sales again, forgot to add that.
 

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Like I said in other thread:
- Sony doesn't have a proper "mascot" or a game that attract a lot of users.
- With Vita, they are repeating the same thing as DS vs PSP.
- Their first party games are only for a "few".
- They need a third party game to sell their consoles (Monster Hunter), and with the MH in Nintendo territory now, they are having a lot of problems.
 

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Sony does have a mascot, just because it isnt big in the west doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Toro aka sony cat is pretty huge in japan, plus sony has been using sackboy as their face anyway. Also MH isn't nintendo exclusive, it will never be because capcom goes where the green is at. Anyway ontopic, its no surprise it broke records when the 3ds basically released a bunch of already popular huge fanbase games that made it impossible for it not to sell, mario always makes the numbers( except the other crap that shouldn't be mentioned like hotel mario and mario is missing >.>)
 

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The 3DS is still doing badly, it's still lacking the games and software, sure it's beating the DS's launch but that also went through the same thing, just slightly worse, so Nintendo is just repeating themselves.
The Vita on the other hand has great launch titles and the guarantee of good games and software on the way.
I say that the Vita has put Nintendo in a worse position than the feel of a gamecube controller.
The Vita has games that I enjoy so much and have loved since I was a child, the 3DS though has the same repeats over and over, we get it there is ANOTHER mario kart and ANOTHER remake of a game (Zelda OoT) and a terrible game at that.
Vita is the Future.
 

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