Far Right Presidential Candidate Wins in Argentina

[Foxi4]

The entire point of the bill is to give employers a multitude of new avenues to exploit workers, and give workers no recourse.


They don't because any shift over 8 hours requires overtime pay nearly everywhere, including in Argentina until this new law was passed.

There is no automatic right to overtime pay in the UK for workdays longer than 8 hours. The same applies to the U.S. - there is no federal law that requires overtime pay for shifts over 8 hours. Overtime in the UK is paid based on whether an employee is working *over their contracted hours* and at the employer’s discretion. In the case of the U.S. overtime pay applies to any hours worked beyond the 40-hour 7-day work week. *Individual states* might have additional regulation, but it’s not uniform country-wide. You’re spreading total misinformation. I don’t know where you got this idea but it’s just not true.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime
https://www.gov.uk/overtime-your-rights

Expecting anything different from the guy literally dancing at the "board of piss”

I don’t even know what that means and I’m not going to ask.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I don’t even know what that means and I’m not going to ask.

It's a very obvious linguistic pun about a real & recent (as of today) event, which I'm sure you know about.

 

[Foxi4]

It's a very obvious linguistic pun about a real & recent (as of today) event, which I'm sure you know about.

I don’t, but please continue vagueposting.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I don’t, but please continue vagueposting.

Only if you say please, precisely

 

[Foxi4]

Only if you say please, precisely

I… did say “please”. You even quoted me saying it. I didn’t know what you were talking about. Instead of going through this weird negotiation I just Googled it, saved me a lot of time.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I… did say “please”. You even quoted me saying it. I didn’t know what you were talking about. Instead of going through this weird negotiation I just Googled it, saved me a lot of time.

See, you did know what it was about in the end.

 

[Foxi4]

See, you did know what it was about in the end.

Only because you didn’t tell me like a normal person would when prompted. For some reason you insist on having conversations in the same manner an extraterrestrial would. To satisfy your curiosity, I have no feelings about it at all considering I’ve only just found out what you meant.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Only because you didn’t tell me like a normal person would when prompted. For some reason you insist on having conversations in the same manner an extraterrestrial would. To satisfy your curiosity, I have no feelings about it at all considering I’ve only just found out what you meant.

Everyone else got both joke and reference so perhaps the issue, as usual, is you. And not a reason as exotic as being an extraterrestrial, you're just.. you. You are the alien after all.

 

[Foxi4]

Everyone else got both joke and reference so perhaps the issue, as usual, is you. And not a reason as exotic as being an extraterrestrial, you're just.. you. You are the alien after all.

Who’s “everybody else”? Are they in the room with us? Nobody replied to your joke besides me. I was unfamiliar with what you were referring to and you refused to explain for no apparent reason.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Are they in the room with us?

Yes.

Nobody replied to your joke besides me.

So clearly you were the only alien confused.

was unfamiliar with what you were referring to and you refused to explain.

You didn't ask me to explain. You made your usual misplaced sarcasm. You are the alien after all, confused by Earth language and custom.

 

[Hanafuda]

They don't because any shift over 8 hours requires overtime pay nearly everywhere, including in Argentina until this new law was passed.

Incorrect.

Only 3 US states, California, Alaska, and Nevada require paying overtime when a shift exceeds 8 hours. In Oregon overtime kicks in after more than 10 hours, and in Colorado it's overtime if over 12 hours.

The other 45 states follow the federal FLSA, which is overtime pay kicks in after working 40 hours in a week. (so for example, you could be scheduled for 4 shifts / week of 10 hours each, and not make any overtime.)

 

[Foxi4]

Yes.

So clearly you were the only alien confused.

You didn't ask me to explain. You made your usual misplaced sarcasm. You are the alien after all, confused by Earth language and custom.

Uh-huh. This behaviour is completely normal.

Incorrect.

Only 3 US states, California, Alaska, and Nevada require paying overtime when a shift exceeds 8 hours. In Oregon overtime kicks in after more than 10 hours, and in Colorado it's overtime if over 12 hours.

The other 45 states follow the federal FLSA, which is overtime pay kicks in after working 40 hours in a week. (so for example, you could be scheduled for 4 shifts / week of 10 hours each, and not make any overtime.)

Yeah, I already brought up the FLSA, but I didn’t feel like digging through each and every state to confirm how things look locally. Looks like I didn’t need to - the 8-hour overtime thing seems like an exception, not a rule. Edge case, even. In any case, seems like “everywhere” doesn’t include my country *or* his country of residence. What a weird myth.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Uh-huh. This behaviour is completely normal.

It is. You didn't ask, you don't get an answer. Or perhaps the problem is that english is still hard for you.

 

[Xzi]

Incorrect.

Only 3 US states, California, Alaska, and Nevada require paying overtime when a shift exceeds 8 hours. In Oregon overtime kicks in after more than 10 hours, and in Colorado it's overtime if over 12 hours.

The other 45 states follow the federal FLSA, which is overtime pay kicks in after working 40 hours in a week. (so for example, you could be scheduled for 4 shifts / week of 10 hours each, and not make any overtime.)

In theory/on paper, yes. In practice, every company I've ever worked for pays overtime after 8 hours despite having never lived in any of those states. The size of California's economy tips the scale toward the rest of the country following almost all regulations they set, and unions use them as a baseline as well. Union effectiveness was another thing gutted by Argentina's new law.

End of the day, this all seems set to backfire on Milei. It's going to make working elsewhere a lot more appealing, and barring that as an option, becoming a criminal much more lucrative than holding a steady job.

 

[Foxi4]

In theory/on paper, yes. In practice, every company I've ever worked for pays overtime after 8 hours despite having never lived in any of those states. The size of California's economy tips the scale toward the rest of the country following almost all regulations they set, and unions use them as a baseline as well. Union effectiveness was another thing gutted by Argentina's new law.

End of the day, this all seems set to backfire on Milei. It's going to make working elsewhere a lot more appealing, and barring that as an option, becoming a criminal much more lucrative than holding a steady job.

You’re missing my and @Hanafuda‘s point. There’s no *legal* requirement for this to be the case, and yet it *is* the case because market pressures demand it. You can credit the unions all you like, somehow the efforts of those same unions did not manifest in any tangible policy. Ultimately scheduling work hours is up to the employer nearly country-wide as I initially stated.

 

[Xzi]

You can credit the unions all you like, somehow the efforts of those same unions did not manifest in any tangible policy.

They're literally the reason why we have 40 hours as the standard work week and the reason California has those regulations. For as many decades as that's been the norm and with how much productivity has skyrocketed, we should probably be down to 32 hour work weeks by now instead. As usual though, there are too many regressive-minded people we have to fight against, too many righties who want to rule over mindless slaves rather than properly govern over free-willed individuals.

 

[Foxi4]

They're literally the reason why we have 40 hours as the standard work week and the reason California has those regulations. For as many decades as that's been the norm and with how much productivity has skyrocketed, we should probably be down to 32 hour work weeks by now instead. As usual though, there are too many regressive-minded people we have to fight against, too many righties who want to rule over mindless slaves rather than properly govern over free-willed individuals.

You mean to say “Henry Ford”, not unions. They certainly fought for it (mostly impotently so), but it didn’t become standard until an entrepreneur actually implemented it, for the purposes of increasing productivity, unprompted by union whinging.

 

[Xzi]

You mean to say “Henry Ford”, not unions. They certainly fought for it (mostly impotently so), but it didn’t become standard until an entrepreneur actually implemented it, for the purposes of increasing productivity, unprompted by union whinging.

Ford was a fucking nazi, not a snowball's chance in hell he would've implemented such a policy without immense outside pressure.

 

[Foxi4]

Ford was a fucking nazi, not a snowball's chance in hell he would've implemented such a policy without immense outside pressure.

Henry Ford was adamantly against worker unions and introduced the 40-hour work week independently, believing that the increase in productivity will offset any losses he might incur, and he was correct. He also fuelled the war machine. He suspended all civilian manufacturing starting 1942 and retooled his factories to build B-42’s, GPW jeeps, M-4 tanks and other armored vehicles. His antisemitic views aside, if not for Ford (who was a pacifist and none too thrilled by the prospect of war which caused plenty of internal conflict in the company) and his son’s contribution to the war effort there’s a good chance half of Europe would be speaking German right now. “Rosie the Riveter”, the real-life person the character was based on, worked in Willow Run, Ford’s Liberator factory.

 

[gamefan5]

Ford was a fucking nazi, not a snowball's chance in hell he would've implemented such a policy without immense outside pressure.

A simple search in Wikipedia shows that Foxi4 is indeed correct.

To all the other people here debating/arguing, I seriously don't care if you don't see eye to eye, but please, be more fair in your arguments snd sources.

I've actually learned quite a bit by reading and fact checking here in the most recent threads, on both sides. It would be great if you were a bit more cordial. (Except against the characters here that a blatant lack of morals.)

As for the "special characters" here that are more violent, well, just keep being yourself.