Fuck AI art

[Cranesbill]

Greed. Can't help it.

YES YOU CAN, you just killed your own dignity as not once bothered to go ahead and put one foot in front of the other and say "I can make a difference," and do something to help the next generation that's already living worse than the previous one

You wanna be edgy and be like, "that's life, boohoo, you fucking pussy" fine, but not here

Now you just devalued this whole debate because it's just arguing with a narrow-minded pessimist

That was not directed at the AI like it was a human. It'll never be.
It's in the same way you say "thanks, thing", as a general "thank you for existing".
General gratitude. For some, even to God or a higher being.

You know saying thank you to a prompt actually costs tens of millions of dollars
https://www.entrepreneur.com/busine...-chatgpt-costs-millions-in-electricity/490341

People "unliving" themselves is a sad outcome regardless.

Yes, I agree with you that we need more regulation, and that goes for any data usage at all, not only AI.
GDPR and such are far from what's actually needed.

I also have yet to envision how an AI software flaw can lead to the death of multiple people.
Maybe just the very ignorant, non intelligent, which shouldn't be using the tool in the first place (hence, the need for more regulation).
You don't simply hand guns to children.

Go back to the vehicles that are implementing AI like self-driving cars, that's where the real risk is at if they keep going at this pace

+ AI doesn’t have to kill directly. Disinformation systems powered by it could destabilize societies, spark riots, or influence war decisions

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/military/military-generals-using-ai-decision-making-combat/

And think of the young ones from their perspective. They're already affectionate by a lot of things, a lot of STUPID things, Tung tung whatever, Labubu, Chicken Jockey, etc. They're idols to them, a part of their personality and it's different to how it was before with Mario or Thomas. If they normalise the idea that machines are friendly partners, personal assistants, emotional supports (because they're preferring this over real therapy) then we're underestimating how much power we’re giving them, and soon they'll be brainwashed like, relying solely on them because of the things it provided them before, losing a lot of strength in their critical understanding

If 1 prompt saves me 20 minutes of clicking and researching (and that includes many google searches), it's a direct economy of resources. That much should be clear even to you.

Additionally, not all LLMs work the same... Gemini/Google's AI is still usually not half as useful as ChatGPT using models o4 or o5, nor is Copilot, Deepseek etc.

Eventually, people will be running their models locally (some already do, heck, even I could atm, since my current rig is almost top end for gaming), and all this overblown talk about eco-issues will be nonexistant.

Counterpoint, that logic's only valid if the energy cost of generating that one AI response is LESS than the energy you would’ve used browsing and researching manually, but it’s not even close.

Estimates can vary, but a ChatGPT-level response consumes roughly 20–50 Wh per prompt, whereas a single Google search is around 0.3 Wh.

Multiply that by millions of users and billions of prompts daily, and the “savings” argument still falls flat. The infrastructure required, data centers, cooling systems, GPUs running 24/7, you're still using the same excuse of efficiency

More productive ≠ less resource intensive

https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.20241?utm_source
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/...-hours-of-power-and-consumes-026ml-of-water/?
https://legislature.maine.gov/testimony/resources/EUT20250403Taylor133881731086526175.pdf?

So whether it’s GPT-4, Gemini, or Copilot (disgusting), they all depend on large clusters of GPUs or TPUs running huge servers, and being it local is only shifting the energy demand

Which is why you ask for sources and use your own brain to judge whether what's said has any sense.
There are questions which do not need extra steps, and questions that do.

Go back to what I said of future generations (even millennials) at a decline of critical understanding, I mean for fucks sakes I remember few years back people genuinely trusted those 5 minute craft videos and somehow we reached a new low

It's a great tool for "templating", as it's basically trying to output the "most likely" average "knowledge" about a subject.
So, you need an idea for art, a quick text reference on a subject, how to devise simply code skeletons, it's got your back.
If you need a summary, or a summarized research on a specific subject, it's also great, doubly so when trained for that subject.

When there is little known information, or when there is no consensus, you shouldn't trust LLM output at all.
So, opinions, very niche subjects, controversies, fringe science etc.

OKAY, how can you like disagree with 90% of what I say, but literally understand the core of my point perfectly? JUST A TOOL

P.S.: If you ask me, honestly, not everyone should be accessing the Internet freely, as they lack the needed capacity to do so.

The same goes for other important things in life, like voting in a democracy: while it achieves the goal of representing everyone, it goes against the goal of being the best outcome for a populace, because, on average, humans are stupid. in a broader sense of the word, as in most of us can't evaluate see mid/long term consequences at all, for many circumstances. Some can't even see how terrible things are gonna be in the next few seconds, or take unnecessary risks all the time.

Human equality, everyone has a voice on what they vote and it's a form of free speech

We can't stop people from being stupid. Sorry, but not sorry,

okay, asshole, you really needed to type that last part, didn't you?

there are people who ate TidePods (food poisoning), who ate whole spoon of cinnamon (lungs/trachea irritation + choking hasard), who put ice and salt on their body (burn scars), who drank tons of benadryl (drug overdoses) because they wanted to look cool online. No AI were involved here. People were, are, and will always be stupid, they didn't, don't and never will need AI for that.

And you think AI will not cause a bigger dent in society's knowledge? Let's go further in the timeline, we got Niquil Chicken, Pink Sauce, now we have Ai brainrot being embraced, compare that to what happened 10 years ago, the impact is bigger than ever

Should I say it again? AI says "eating one rock a day is good", but are you going to do it because AI told you to?

At least a dozen of idiots will actually do it because they second-guess themselves of science

If you do, well, it proves that people are stupid. Even if AI tells me this, I can still think by myself and say "Yea... I will not"

The future generations can't think that way, look at the numbers

As for the false result, AI is nothing new at this. One famous example is if you google Eiichiro Oda and go in the image section. A lot of the result you will get are actually pictures of Eiji Aonuma. And yet, a lot of fans thinks this is him (FYI, there are no recent pictures of Eiichiro Oda available online. Most of them are from 20 years ago)

Traditional misinformation required someone to post something wrong, but AI can generate new falsehoods in seconds at a much larger scale, and with confidence because they're programmed to convince the user to trust whatever they pull up, not research.

Now, it's up to you to understand this. AI is still a new technology, you can't put all the blame on it. If some teenager commit suicide because AI told him to, I would rather put the blame on him/his parent rather than AI. Sorry not sorry, but I'll say it again, people are stupid (I'm not saying I'm not, I'm a person too, but sometime, you have to think by yourself)

Responsibility doesn’t vanish just because certain technology is “new”. The kid was old enough to know better, but now the rest need death to see their mistakes. An utter shame

You wouldn’t say “don’t blame the car company” if a design flaw caused the brakes to fail just because “cars are new.”

Regulation matters

Every milliliter of water is worth it

Ima assume you've given up on debating and think trolling is the sensible solution because you have nothing else to add on? It's been destroyed?? Pitiful

 

[Noctosphere]

okay, asshole, you really needed to type that last part, didn't you?

Yes

Regulation matters

Of course it does, like for everything, I never said otherwise.

And you think AI will not cause a bigger dent in society's knowledge? Let's go further in the timeline, we got Niquil Chicken, Pink Sauce, now we have Ai brainrot being embraced, compare that to what happened 10 years ago, the impact is bigger than ever

At least a dozen of idiots will actually do it because they second-guess themselves of science

The future generations can't think that way, look at the numbers

Traditional misinformation required someone to post something wrong, but AI can generate new falsehoods in seconds at a much larger scale, and with confidence because they're programmed to convince the user to trust whatever they pull up, not research.

Responsibility doesn’t vanish just because certain technology is “new”. The kid was old enough to know better, but now the rest need death to see their mistakes. An utter shame

You wouldn’t say “don’t blame the car company” if a design flaw caused the brakes to fail just because “cars are new.”

I know I shouldn't say it, since it will shock you so much. I mean, if saying "people are stupid" trigger you so much, I guess these two words will cause you to go haywire.
Two words : Natural Selection
And these two words are my answer to all you said here.

 

[Cranesbill]

Of course it does, like for everything, I never said otherwise.

Then stop encouraging the movement for it, we need to lay the foundation for proper moderation, save on resources, THEN expand slowly so it won't go out of hand

Like what part of my points, the sources, do you not agree with?

I know I shouldn't say it, since it will shock you so much. I mean, if saying "people are stupid" trigger you so much, I guess these two words will cause you to go haywire.
Two words : Natural Selection
And these two words are my answer to all you said here.

We're involved enough not to let others die because they were unfortunate

Everything you say about humans is so alien

And it wouldn't even work, considering the parents are just as stupid as them

I mean they literally coined the term "Facebook mom"

Unless this is your way of wanting a genocide of stupidity and you're using AI as a cloaking device to hide your nonsensical value

 

[AlexMCS]

Estimates can vary, but a ChatGPT-level response consumes roughly 20–50 Wh per prompt, whereas a single Google search is around 0.3 Wh.

Counterpoint, that logic's only valid if the energy cost of generating that one AI response is LESS than the energy you would’ve used browsing and researching manually, but it’s not even close.

You're not factoring in time-savings.
Google search results are never an answer, they are references to potential actual answers.
You usually will have to manually click and evaluate data from multiple sources, each click wasting more energy and more time.

I know for a fact some GPT prompts and outputs would take many more hours of research when compared to manually sifting through useless google results.

And finally, where are you even pulling out those values from?

You're saying a single average prompt query is worth 60-180 google searches?
I call BS.

From your own provided links it's much lower, compared to the value you stated a google search would use:
"For models running on an H100 node under realistic workloads, GPU utilization and PUE constraints, we estimate a median energy per query of 0.34 Wh (IQR: 0.18-0.67) for frontier-scale models (>200 billion parameters)" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.20241

"Google: Median Gemini prompt uses 0.24 watt hours of power and consumes 0.26ml of water" - https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/...t-hours-of-power-and-consumes-026ml-of-water/ and it's the freaking headline.

Even the follow up links in the above site that try to bait people into believing queries are expensive, cite articles that disprove them, as they don't even mention GPT-5 at all: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2505.09598v2

The median query cost (100 token input, 300 output) on the most used models would be the same as the provided cost for a Google search.

For added context, this is what the # of tokens mean:

In summary, they are about the same, with AI-based prompts being much more useful overall, if used correctly.

IMHO, it's worth every single watt-hour at this point.

OKAY, how can you like disagree with 90% of what I say, but literally understand the core of my point perfectly? JUST A TOOL

Because of how we perceive the details of it all.

Go back to what I said of future generations (even millennials) at a decline of critical understanding

This happens with every single piece of technology we ingrain into our lifestyle.
Most people don't even know how computers on their phones work in a higher level of abstraction.
They have literally no idea at all at the lower layers, it's like magic/black box to them.
And they don't care.

Education overall needs an overhaul, and that's since the early 2000s, thanks to the Internet and accessible information.

What's happening at an increasingly alarming rate is that more and more people are becoming dependent on technology instead of empowered by it.

Human equality, everyone has a voice on what they vote and it's a form of free speech

I wholeheartedly disagree that everyone should have voting power for free.
They should prove their worth beforehand.

At the very least, they should demonstrate they fully understand who they are voting for: what are the person's government plans and how it will help the populace overall. Most people vote based on charisma alone.

Free speech is way less harmful to humanity than universal suffrage.

YES YOU CAN, you just killed your own dignity as not once bothered to go ahead and put one foot in front of the other and say "I can make a difference," and do something to help the next generation that's already living worse than the previous one

Now you just devalued this whole debate because it's just arguing with a narrow-minded pessimist

There is pessimism and there's realism.
Being overly optimistic is just as bad as being a hopeless pessimist.
Balance is the key to all things in life.

I know, and so should you, that there's literally nothing you can do to stop human greed.
You should try to think of ways to use it in your favor, or for the sake of others, instead of trying to go against the flow.
There is nothing you or I can do to stop the AI rush.

Even if we did it over here, in greed based countries, like China, it would thrive and we'd be left in the dust.

"Arms race" exist for a reason.

There's nothing more foolish than stubbornly trying to put out a fire with water drops and claiming "I did my part" to make yourself feel good about it.
Try to think of how to direct the flames, get an actual firehose, or even get more people to do theirs, instead of focusing on an useless action alone.
Your example can only do so much.
You can't make a difference without the power to back it up, and your example alone ain't it.

 

[Skelletonike]

Eh, I don't mind it myself.

Here you go:

Seriously though, it can be useful. I do find people are overly reliant on it nowadays however.

 

[Cranesbill]

You're not factoring in time-savings.
Google search results are never an answer, they are references to potential actual answers.
You usually will have to manually click and evaluate data from multiple sources, each click wasting more energy and more time.

I know for a fact some GPT prompts and outputs would take many more hours of research when compared to manually sifting through useless google results.

And finally, where are you even pulling out those values from?

You're saying a single average prompt query is worth 60-180 google searches?
I call BS.

From your own provided links it's much lower, compared to the value you stated a google search would use:
"For models running on an H100 node under realistic workloads, GPU utilization and PUE constraints, we estimate a median energy per query of 0.34 Wh (IQR: 0.18-0.67) for frontier-scale models (>200 billion parameters)" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.20241

"Google: Median Gemini prompt uses 0.24 watt hours of power and consumes 0.26ml of water" - https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/...t-hours-of-power-and-consumes-026ml-of-water/ and it's the freaking headline.

Even the follow up links in the above site that try to bait people into believing queries are expensive, cite articles that disprove them, as they don't even mention GPT-5 at all: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2505.09598v2

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The median query cost (100 token input, 300 output) on the most used models would be the same as the provided cost for a Google search.

For added context, this is what the # of tokens mean:
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In summary, they are about the same, with AI-based prompts being much more useful overall, if used correctly.

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IMHO, it's worth every single watt-hour at this point.

Okay now we’re going back in circles, in addition I can bring other sources and you’ll just counterpoint them with other sources with different values

I know my sources were proven, but you’ll also your sources are proven too

I still don’t think it’s worth every watt

Because of how we perceive the details of it all.

Bruh

This happens with every single piece of technology we ingrain into our lifestyle.
Most people don't even know how computers on their phones work in a higher level of abstraction.
They have literally no idea at all at the lower layers, it's like magic/black box to them.
And they don't care.

Because those types of technology now are designed to be user-friendly, they're not meant to understand the complex designs in them

But before then they had to know how things worked, like spaceships or tanks,

Education overall needs an overhaul, and that's since the early 2000s, thanks to the Internet and accessible information.

Agree

What's happening at an increasingly alarming rate is that more and more people are becoming dependent on technology instead of empowered by it.

It's what I said that some of them are preferring this over real therapy, that they'll willingly trusting more to talk to a robot than actual human beings and it's the next step of them being empowered and treat them like idols

I wouldn't be surprised that in 10 years, a group would form a religion center around AI because "it holds all knowledge"

I wholeheartedly disagree that everyone should have voting power for free.
They should prove their worth beforehand.

At the very least, they should demonstrate they fully understand who they are voting for: what are the person's government plans and how it will help the populace overall. Most people vote based on charisma alone.

Free speech is way less harmful to humanity than universal suffrage.

Then there be too much gray area, we can imply that logic to banning certain political parties, but all parties have some reason to be rightfully banned

We restrict that group to vote because of reasons, but how about that group? Loopholes loopholes loopholes, exceptions exceptions exceptions, you're tangling yourself, just give the people the right to vote because again, it's a republic democracy

It's easier that way and by heart, you should still trust your citizens to make the right decision, knowledge or not, it's still their job to educate them during elections

There is pessimism and there's realism.
Being overly optimistic is just as bad as being a hopeless pessimist.
Balance is the key to all things in life.

I have not seen you being optimistic here ever

And at least with optimism you have a reason to look forward too, something to actually believe in and try

I know, and so should you, that there's literally nothing you can do to stop human greed.
You should try to think of ways to use it in your favor, or for the sake of others, instead of trying to go against the flow.
There is nothing you or I can do to stop the AI rush.

I'm not saying ban it all, I'm saying ADD REGULATION, SLOW THE FLOW

Even if we did it over here, in greed based countries, like China, it would thrive and we'd be left in the dust.

"Arms race" exist for a reason.

There's nothing more foolish than stubbornly trying to put out a fire with water drops and claiming "I did my part" to make yourself feel good about it.

Because only one person did it, but if you have an entire group, those drops equal to an entire bucket

I don't like the No Kings Protest, but at least they exercise their power of free speech and actually do try to convey their message

Try to think of how to direct the flames, get an actual firehose, or even get more people to do theirs, instead of focusing on an useless action alone.
Your example can only do so much.
You can't make a difference without the power to back it up, and your example alone ain't it.

I literally provided countless sources from a variety of places throughout this thread

Nothing but Laugh reactions (I don't even know if they even took the time to read them, like Sylvester is just a troll for doing that and would rather support Jayro commenting on my death)

I don't know how much more I can stuff it in your head before you actually see the picture

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Eh, I don't mind it myself.

Here you go:

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Why is he sad? Why is his roof red? Why is his dome gold? Why does he have outside pistons? Where's his number one? Why does he have two side rods? Why does he have 4 wheels?

Seriously though, it can be useful. I do find people are overly reliant on it nowadays however.

Thank you

 

[AlexMCS]

Okay now we’re going back in circles, in addition I can bring other sources and you’ll just counterpoint them with other sources with different values

I know my sources were proven, but you’ll also your sources are proven too

I still don’t think it’s worth every watt


Bruh

Because those types of technology now are designed to be user-friendly, they're not meant to understand the complex designs in them

But before then they had to know how things worked, like spaceships or tanks,

Agree

It's what I said that some of them are preferring this over real therapy, that they'll willingly trusting more to talk to a robot than actual human beings and it's the next step of them being empowered and treat them like idols

I wouldn't be surprised that in 10 years, a group would form a religion center around AI because "it holds all knowledge"

Then there be too much gray area, we can imply that logic to banning certain political parties, but all parties have some reason to be rightfully banned

We restrict that group to vote because of reasons, but how about that group? Loopholes loopholes loopholes, exceptions exceptions exceptions, you're tangling yourself, just give the people the right to vote because again, it's a republic democracy

It's easier that way and by heart, you should still trust your citizens to make the right decision, knowledge or not, it's still their job to educate them during elections

I have not seen you being optimistic here ever

And at least with optimism you have a reason to look forward too, something to actually believe in and try

I'm not saying ban it all, I'm saying ADD REGULATION, SLOW THE FLOW

Because only one person did it, but if you have an entire group, those drops equal to an entire bucket

I don't like the No Kings Protest, but at least they exercise their power of free speech and actually do try to convey their message

I literally provided countless sources from a variety of places throughout this thread

Nothing but Laugh reactions (I don't even know if they even took the time to read them, like Sylvester is just a troll for doing that and would rather support Jayro commenting on my death)

I don't know how much more I can stuff it in your head before you actually see the picture

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Why is he sad? Why is his roof red? Why is his dome gold? Why does he have outside pistons? Where's his number one? Why does he have two side rods? Why does he have 4 wheels?

Thank you

Well then, let's agree to disagree.
There is nothing I can say that will convince you, and nothing you can say that will convince me.

Thanks for at least keeping the discussion civil, even if our PoVs do not align.

 

[SDA]

Well, this entire thread has become a fighting place.

But I apparently wasn't clear enough when I said it once so I'll say it again: AI MUST DIE.

 

[Cranesbill]

Well then, let's agree to disagree.
There is nothing I can say that will convince you, and nothing you can say that will convince me.

Thanks for at least keeping the discussion civil, even if our PoVs do not align.

I thought we were at a mutual agreement with the regulation-

But fine, whatever, no problem

 

[Magnus87]

Well, this entire thread has become a fighting place.

But I apparently wasn't clear enough when I said it once so I'll say it again: AI MUST DIE.

I'm sorry, but AI won't die; it will continue to improve in every way, from the types of responses it provides to how much processing power it uses.

Some will use it to make games, others to animate their fanfiction, and still others to make themselves look more muscular in photos.





https://hyper3d.ai/

 

[SDA]

I'm sorry, but AI won't die; it will continue to improve in every way, from the types of responses it provides to how much processing power it uses.

I'm sorry, but I will continue to boycott AI until the very last second of my life. And there's nothing you will be able to do about it.

 

[Skelletonike]

Why is he sad? Why is his roof red? Why is his dome gold? Why does he have outside pistons? Where's his number one? Why does he have two side rods? Why does he have 4 wheels?

Because I wanted him to suffer in misery.

 

[Cranesbill]

Because I wanted him to suffer in misery.

Or that it couldn’t generate properly

 

[Skelletonike]

Or that it couldn’t generate properly

Nah, most of the ones that came out actually were pretty good.

My prompt was:

"crying creepy thomas the tank engine"

 

[Magnus87]

I'm still waiting for a tool that generates a whole spritesheet for you.

 

[Cranesbill]

I'm still waiting for a tool that generates a whole spritesheet for you.

I can just make the sprite sheet for you

Nah, most of the ones that came out actually were pretty good.

My prompt was:

"crying creepy thomas the tank engine"

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Why is his boiler so fat??

And his running board isn’t even model series accurate

 

[SolidSonicTH]

I want to express my general disdain for AI artwork but I can't deny that I consume AI hentai and don't want to be a hypocrite.

I wish it wasn't a thing in general, though.

 

[Cranesbill]

I want to express my general disdain for AI artwork but I can't deny that I consume AI hentai and don't want to be a hypocrite.

I wish it wasn't a thing in general, though.

THE Sonic the Hedgehog watched Ai hentai

 

[Noctosphere]

Nah, most of the ones that came out actually were pretty good.

My prompt was:

"crying creepy thomas the tank engine"

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I paid for a good GPU with good AI capabiity, so I'm gonna use my own PC to generate por-... I mean, beautiful AI pictures...

 

[AlexMCS]

I thought we were at a mutual agreement with the regulation-

I agree with the need for better regulation.
I disagree about other philosophical questions, regarding freedom and the very idea of IA usage.