ROG Xbox Ally handheld device announced

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One of the bigger announcements from the Xbox Games Showcase today was the reveal of an Xbox handheld device. It had been rumored for a while, though the final product might be a bit unexpected. Called the ROG Xbox Ally, the system is a variant of the already existing ROG Ally, with Xbox buttons and a more controller-type grip. It will run Windows 11, though it will have a more Xbox-themed UI for your games library. As it uses Windows, you'll be able to install Steam, Epic, and whichever launcher you prefer.



There will be two variants of the handheld, in the form of the ROG Xbox Ally, and the ROG Xbox Ally X. The former will feature an AMD Ryzen Z2 A Processor, with 16GB of DDR5X RAM, 512GB storage, and a 120Hz screen. The more powerful X will have impulse triggers, 24GB of RAM, 1TB of storage, and a USB4 Type C port. The full specs can be seen on the official Xbox website. They'll both be out later this holiday season. Pricing will also be announced later.

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I feel like a lot of you are missing the damn plot. This machine is obviously meant for the consumer that is fully entrenched in the XBox ecosystem.
 
We need new battery technology not yet another portable handheld. MS will probably support this device for a year tops 😂
Yeah battery life is literally the thing holding back handhelds at this point. The Ally can go as quick as 90 minutes on intensive games.
 
I feel like a lot of you are missing the damn plot. This machine is obviously meant for the consumer that is fully entrenched in the XBox ecosystem.

Reason they are is because typically they can't afford a PC, and eksbaxx literally is a gutted down PC nowadays - that pocket of people don't really game on the go/can just get existing handheld PCs.

Its like a stupid Switch chase is begging for absolutely zero reason. Valve's move made sense to entrench some of their users into their shitty OS, and Nintenderp has been portable for a long time now, but M$ honestly doesn't make any sense unless they charge sub-500.
 
Reason they are is because typically they can't afford a PC, and eksbaxx literally is a gutted down PC nowadays - that pocket of people don't really game on the go/can just get existing handheld PCs.

Its like a stupid Switch chase is begging for absolutely zero reason. Valve's move made sense to entrench some of their users into their shitty OS, and Nintenderp has been portable for a long time now, but M$ honestly doesn't make any sense unless they charge sub-500.
I just don't get all the damn Windows gaming hate all of a sudden. Sure Win 11 sucks for a multitude of reasons. I refuse to upgrade my Steam Deck from Win 10 because of Copilot security concerns. That aside, muthafuckas were gaming on Windows for years with minimal complaints and now people act like its the cool thing to shit all over it.

Steam OS isn't perfect. In the grand scheme of things, I trust Windows a LOT more for games preservation than I do Steam OS. Before someone comes at me with the whole "its digital games" BS. Fact remains that I CAN and DO make physical copies of my Steam games and if one day licenses get wonky, there are a plethora of crack files to fix that issue. Can't say the same about Steam OS. Hell, Valve didn't even have the ability to install games to USB storage on Steam OS at launch 🤦🏾‍♂️.

If you have a high end PC, good. If you have a Steam Deck or another Windows portable, good. For all of those folks, the XBox Ally is not for you. For the person that's deep into the XBox ecosystem and really wanted a portable, congrats to you! Have a blast this holiday season! Honestly I really hope Microsoft takes a loss and sells the lower end XBox Ally at a competitive price vs the Switch 2 and Steam Deck.
 
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Alright now how much does it cost? Like if they want to compete they would need to sell his thing at a huge loss.
Why on Earth would Asus sell ANYTHING at a loss, much less a huge loss? You haven't thought this one through. It's not a subsidized Microsoft console.

But yeah, it will cost a multiple of the Switch 2, run much hotter and by far heavier and be able to run games that the Switch 2 cannot, though the opposite is true on that last one as well.

This is a very niche product.
Very.
 
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Price is what will make or break this thing, current rog ally x launched at $799 for the 1TB model and $899 for the 2TB, prices have since raised another $100 each model.
MS are going to have to sell this thing at a big loss to sell game pass subs, doubt people will buy games on the ms store.
They are going to have to get this down to around $500-600.
 
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I just don't get all the damn Windows gaming hate all of a sudden.

I saw a video a couple of weeks back showing off the Lenovo Legion Go S model that officially launched with SteamOS. Earlier this year, that same model launched with Windows, and it was pretty terrible. However, that exact same device running SteamOS suddenly performed way better across the board.

Especially for this form factor, Windows's overhead and bloat has become more and more visible. Sure, SteamOS isn't perfect, but at least it isn't being stuffed to the gills with Microsoft's AI crap bogging everything down.

That being said, if Microsoft optimizes Windows for this hardware configuration and/or for gaming in general, the benefits could easily extend way beyond this handheld.
 
I doubt it'd really "Lose Out" that much simply because it's using Windows, and therefor runs the games and applications natively and there's way less setting fiddling than with Linux.
We already have head-to-head comparisons on a number of devices which show Windows 11 is 10-20% worse in gaming performance versus SteamOS. Not to mention that there's a lot less fiddling you have to do in SteamOS's gaming mode as opposed to the setup of a full fat Windows installation, which is a PITA to do on smaller screens. I think what Microsoft is doing with Game Pass is pretty neat, but beyond that they've fallen so far behind the competition that it may not even be worth trying any more. Especially if this thing debuts with like an $800 price tag.

In the grand scheme of things, I trust Windows a LOT more for games preservation than I do Steam OS.
Purchases made on Steam give you the game for both Windows AND SteamOS though, it's not an either/or proposition. Microsoft is definitely NOT more trustworthy than Valve on that front after what happened with Games for Windows Live.
 
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Hmmm, just an ROG Ally with a extra Xbox branding. Do I get a discount buying it without the crap OS?
 
There are already rog handhelds that play Xbox gamepass games (windows) 😂 Microsoft are getting desperate
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There are already rog handhelds that play Xbox gamepass games (windows) 😂 Microsoft are getting desperate
 
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I don't understand who this is for. If you want to game on PC with a handheld, you want a Steam Deck. If you want to stream cloud games you have a phone. If you want to game on Windows, you'll have an ROG Ally already. This is just a more expensive (likely), heavier, skinned Ally.

Product security in a corporations view, fanboys that'll just stick with Xbox gaming. Cheap for the manufacturer to just partner with a device that already has been partnering with them supporting windows. I almost guarantee Xbox tried hard to securing it but a simple button combo will just launch into windows desktop mode. This device really makes me question if Microsoft can even get away with calling future Xbox consoles or just mini locked down windows PCs with custom OS.
 
Hmmm, just an ROG Ally with a extra Xbox branding. Do I get a discount buying it without the crap OS?

Having it be more expensive than an unbranded ROG would be completely nonsensical. It's Microsoft, so I can't rule it out sight unseen, but it's not like people are lining up for the Microsoft brand in and of itself.

Bare minimum is it being priced exactly the same as an unbranded ROG with the same specs. If they actually want to sell these things in any sort of volume, Microsoft would have to subsidize these things, and substantially so if they want to undercut the Switch 2 (which might not be their goal, but that raises the question of who do they expect to buy these).
 
We already have head-to-head comparisons on a number of devices which show Windows 11 is 10-20% worse in gaming performance versus SteamOS. Not to mention that there's a lot less fiddling you have to do in SteamOS's gaming mode as opposed to the setup of a full fat Windows installation, which is a PITA to do on smaller screens. I think what Microsoft is doing with Game Pass is pretty neat, but beyond that they've fallen so far behind the competition that it may not even be worth trying any more. Especially if this thing debuts with like an $800 price tag.
What? Part of those "10-20% percent improvements" come down to how much better Linux as a whole has been optimized to be more efficient at resource usage than Windows, even more so considering how low the requirements to install the absolute bare minimum and even are (you used to be able to run the latest version of the kernel on an original Pentium before it was taken out for optimization reasons). A large chunk of Linux's system requirements beyond the kernel and terminal comes down to what Window Manager (i3, IceWM, Sway, etc.) and/or Desktop Environment (Gnome, KDE Plasma, XFCE, etc.) plus whatever software you run on top of that. Wine's Performance also is influenced by the fact it's a translation layer (which even if it doesn't cover everything accurately, lets it handle things better due to having a lot less bloat to sift through), and only uses the library calls the software needs instead of all of them at once like you would need to on Windows since a lot of the same (or more) libraries is the ones the entire OS runs on, execpt things like Adobe and MS office still don't work under base Wine or Proton, which people tend to use a lot besides gaming.

SteamOS and Proton didn't do any of that, Linux and Wine plus the code they made for Proton, and other things they didn't make like DXVK did. What they did beyond the changes made for Proton was rebrand Big Picture Mode, made it the default with some changes to make it more usable as a standalone enviornment, and put in default settings made to work with the specifications of what it is running on (Mainly the Steam Deck and the Handheld PCs it was "Officially" released on.) with an option to switch to KDE Plasma, which is going to be apartent when An offical standalone version of SteamOS does get released and the horde of people who've been hyped up as the thing that will replace Windows with no idea what Linux even is, the unwillingness to learn even the basics of it, and the Mt.Everest amounts of things different between Windows and Linux that will make you absolutely hate Linux if you don't know what they are and the sacrifices needed to make the switch is.

And if you consiter what it takes to run games through steam on Windows compared to Linux (Even on handheld PCs), how is running a web browser to install Steam and going through the motions of installing games and putting your prefered settings that much more complicated than pickng your linux distro, getting acclimated to how it functions if you never used Linux before or switched to a different distro (like going from Debian to Void Linux), and then installing steam the same way through a Web Browser or the terminal and all that more fiddling? It's even less of a non comparison if you consitered a Laptop or prebuilt PC with Windows preloaded vs a handheld PC like the Steam Deck where the process of getting Steam installed doesn't even take that much time if you actually know what you're doing because oh wow, you have to take a little bit to install something and configure things on the general purpose opperating system over one tailored closer to a specific niche. It's like saying the turtle is slower than the one that's been taught how to ride a wheelchair.
 
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SteamOS and Proton didn't do any of that

I'm not sure why this matters. It's not secret that SteamOS/Proton are built on Linux. That's kind of the point.

The whole bit is for Valve to help make gaming on Linux easier to set up and more approachable for the uninitiated, while supporting improvements to compatibility with Windows-native games. How successful they've been so far, and how successful they'll be going forward, is an open question. But in any case, it's never about them singlehandedly making a brand new OS, but rather bridging the gap to Linux gaming.
 
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I just did some more reading. It seems the most exciting announcement here is the gaming version of windows 11. If they follow through on what they're claiming, it could be seriously game changing
 
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