Covid-19 vaccine

[The Catboy]

Nearly 3 year since this thread started and anti-vax crowd still hasn’t provided anything based on reality. This isn’t even a debate anymore. All of the conspiracies they’ve posted haven’t come true. All of their fear mongering is easily debunked with a 5 second Google search. At this point, if you still believe in anti-vax, I am just assuming you really don’t want to live in reality ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Xzi]

Nearly 3 year since this thread started and anti-vax crowd still hasn’t provided anything based on reality. This isn’t even a debate anymore. All of the conspiracies they’ve posted haven’t come true. All of their fear mongering is easily debunked with a 5 second Google search. At this point, if you still believe in anti-vax, I am just assuming you really don’t want to live in reality ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

These are people who took medical advice from a morbidly-obese dementia patient after all, can't expect less than seven degrees of separation from reality with them.

 

[tabzer]

Posting from your bubble onto the internet and lecturing about reality, slinging slurs at invisible people.

Why didn't they tell us that it could cause myocarditis until after they started telling everyone to take it?

Everyone knows that the effectiveness of the vaccine to prevent transmission was walked back.

People took the vaccine, felt falsely confident about the "prevention" that they were doing, and spread the disease--naysaying those who were skeptical.

Let's give it to children too! /s

You have no moral high ground.

 

[The Catboy]

You have no moral high ground.

Conspiracy theorists have yet to provide any real studies, facts, or basis in reality. You can do the normal shit you do but that doesn't change the fact that not a single real study has come out of anti-vaxxors. Simply put, until they actually post something peer-reviewed and legit, there's no reason to take them seriously. Thus far it's been 3 years of complete nonsense and fear-mongering. I am willing to bet you won't provide real sources, studies, or anything to counter me, you will just reply with the normal shit you post. In fact, I am willing to bet that every conspiracy theorist in this thread will do the same as well. Because it's been 3 years of the same back and forth with anti-vaxxors proving absolutely nothing of value.
Anyways, I am going to go back to playing Minecraft with my wife. I will be back later to see how this thread is going at a later date.

 

[Xzi]

You have no moral high ground.

It's an intellectual high ground, actually. Not that it takes an extraordinary intellect to discern that all the most notable anti-vaxxers on TV and social media are themselves vaccinated and up-to-date on their boosters. They're willing to take chances with others' health/lives because it's profitable, but not their own.

 

[tabzer]

Anyone to the right/left of someone like cat-boy would qualify as an "anti-vaxxer". It is a slur that removes nuance from the discussion and is the opposite of intellectual.

It is a fact that the claim of "safe and effective" has been found to be untrue. There are risks in not taking the vaccine and there are risks in taking the vaccine. If you want to make the claim that the vaccine does not cause myocarditis or can save more children than not, then please do so. Distrusting government and/or the pharmaceutical companies does not make people conspiracy theorists. Lobbying is not a conspiracy or a theory, nor is politicians acting in self-interest. The corruption is legalized.

To me, those who embrace the pharmaceutical companies' push to vaccinate children with the covid vaccine are embracing child sacrifice under the auspice of "the greater good". Also, your positions cannot operate without polarizing people as good or bad, which is kind of binary and lends to cruel authoritarianism, despite what "side" you think you are on.

 

[Xzi]

To me, those who embrace the pharmaceutical companies' push to vaccinate children with the covid vaccine are embracing child sacrifice under the auspice of "the greater good".

"Embracing child sacrifice," he says. Thank you for demonstrating your detachment from reality. With it comes higher susceptibility to misinformation.

Also, your positions cannot operate without polarizing people as good or bad, which is kind of binary and lends to cruel authoritarianism, despite what "side" you think you are on.

Not at all, there are good people with poor critical thinking skills out there. That said, they'd probably choose to vaccinate out of empathy for the immuno-compromised if nothing else.

 

[tabzer]

Children being vaccinated from Covid only makes sense in the prospect of protecting the immunocompromised or elderly. If you are going to passively assert that children have an increased survival rate, I'd like your reference to make it more direct of a claim

Also, it should be apparent that the good vs bad dichotomy was being applied to one's position on the vaccine. Less neckbeard and more intellectual, please.

 

[Zajumino]

Nearly 3 year since this thread started and anti-vax crowd still hasn’t provided anything based on reality. This isn’t even a debate anymore. All of the conspiracies they’ve posted haven’t come true. All of their fear mongering is easily debunked with a 5 second Google search. At this point, if you still believe in anti-vax, I am just assuming you really don’t want to live in reality ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You seem like you would enjoy bringing sand to the beach. Why would you expect a sound argument from an anti-vaxxer, on the gbatemp politics section of all places? Even the pro-vax people here tend to be rather uninformed.

If you want something based in reality, I would watch John Campbell on YouTube (via FreeTube). He isn't anti-vax, but he does have some things to say about the covid-19 vaccines.

 

[bazamuffin]

I won't get it and never will.

 

[tabzer]

You seem like you would enjoy bringing sand to the beach. Why would you expect a sound argument from an anti-vaxxer, on the gbatemp politics section of all places? Even the pro-vax people here tend to be rather uninformed.

If you want something based in reality, I would watch John Campbell on YouTube (via FreeTube). He isn't anti-vax, but he does have some things to say about the covid-19 vaccines.

To someone who pre-orders the lifetime season pass, anything that would diminish such an investment would be anti-vax. Even @Xzi is an "anti-vaxxer", but will still argue just be included in the conversation.

You are talking to a hypochondriac who finds validation in medical treatment. Autonomy isn't even their concern. They would sooner die because an authority figure said so than to suffer living a life with "too many variables".

 

[Jayinem]

Why are they forcing these on us all the time again? (scratches head) Prevents death in only one in a million doses? LMAO

"Recently, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention put forward some statistics regarding coronavirus vaccines' capability to prevent death which have made people concerned."

According to the data shared by the CDC, coronavirus vaccines are capable of preventing only 0- 1 deaths among 12-17-year-olds in over 6 months per million doses of mRNA vaccines.

Once again mainstream media is starting to confirm just how useless the MRNA vaccines are. Should be interesting considering that they are attempting to roll out more.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...p&cvid=9b57420caf8a45389e809ffa28973164&ei=11

 

[AkikoKumagara]

among 12-17-year-olds

This is key and the answer to your question. Children aren't likely to die from COVID-19 or its variants and never have been. They are likely to catch and spread it, however, to people who are more likely to die or have complications from it.

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Consider that vaccines don't exist solely to protect the recipient when it comes to virus vaccinations, but also other people around them, especially those who are immunocompromised and/or cannot vaccinate for medical reasons.

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https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

 

[plasturion]

If the pharmaceutical industry was effective in curing people enough, the medical profession would be the lowest paid.
Vaccines doesn't have anything in common with medicine. It has status of cult and I stinks more than anything, taking into
account that group of politic bastards defended so hard with one global voice.
There was a meeting a conference in Honk Kong of Gates Fundations (2018). They wanted to sell old harmful vaccines for IPOL (polio) produced by them in 2011 for India and use old producing lines to keep the business. It looks unbeliveble and seems like conspiracy theory but for what they did and how politicaly vaccines were presented in past few years, everything is possible.
https://gloria.tv/share/9qV2uqRHuTTe3PCb7Yot8uzQb#90

 

[omgcat]

The antivax movement has been the best gift to democrats in a long time. The boomer doomer killing thousands of voters on the older end of the age spectrum has shifted a lot of counties over to the left, especially the ones where the vote split was less than 10k votes.

I'm getting the next vaccine this week as my wife works at a school with kids as a therapist and we don't want to get fucked.

 

[mightymuffy]

I won't get it and never will.

bazamuffin me owd sunbeam!! Good to hear from you! I was getting worried: according to half of the idiots on here you should be dead by now.... ...or at least you would have killed off all your older friends and family - I'm guessing not judging by that post of
yours? How odd..

Presumably you wouldn't take a flu jab either, despite the number of deaths that causes every single year, mainly, again, to the elderly - oh wait you don't get offered one because you're not in that age group ...but then according to said idiots on here you're still endangering them just by breathing or something.. again, how odd..

 

[RetroGen]

You seem like you would enjoy bringing sand to the beach. Why would you expect a sound argument from an anti-vaxxer, on the gbatemp politics section of all places? Even the pro-vax people here tend to be rather uninformed.

If you want something based in reality, I would watch John Campbell on YouTube (via FreeTube). He isn't anti-vax, but he does have some things to say about the covid-19 vaccines.

Campbell seemed fairly trustworthy early on during the pandemic. Unfortunately, as time went on his folksy "interpretations" of medical studies left scientific methodology behind and started down the conspiracy path and he gained lots of antivaxxer fans. Take a look at Back to the Science and Debunk the Funk on YT for some scientific critique.

 

[Xzi]

Children being vaccinated from Covid only makes sense in the prospect of protecting the immunocompromised or elderly.

Children are virus magnets surrounded by other virus magnets at school. It's entirely nonsensical to leave them unvaccinated and force them to deal with the worst possible symptoms of COVID. That tactic had a lot of unforeseen consequences when it came to chickenpox, as well.

Again, your reasoning only makes sense in an alternate reality where everybody lives in an airtight bubble. People are free to demonstrate ignorance, narcissism, or tribalism in their decision-making, but the rest of us don't have to play along and pretend that these are virtues to be applauded.

 

[RetroGen]

 

[Jayinem]

This is key and the answer to your question. Children aren't likely to die from COVID-19 or its variants and never have been. They are likely to catch and spread it, however, to people who are more likely to die or have complications from it.

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https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

So why give the 12-17 year olds the vaccine then? Especially babies. I tell you what, you can have all my vaccines. Then you'll live forever. You vaccine shills are just going to deny anything you see negative about it and laugh because it's not on the Mainshill media. You guys are hilarious.