Your thoughts on suicide

[Nathan Drake]

Suicide suicide suicide.

To be completely honest, I don't feel there is a way to justify it. There is always a way out that isn't selfishly ending it. For people that consider it a true option, man the fuck up. When you think you've had it bad, there will always be somebody that has had it substantially worse. Yet they keep going, keep fighting. What makes any person think they should just get to up and quit?

It is beyond selfish. Even considering it shows your total lack of humanity and care for those that care about you. Those who commit suicide never truly think of what they are doing and how it will affect everybody they know that cares for them. The idea of what I think about suicide has been brought up to me at various stages in life, and my opinion has become solidified beyond all doubt.

Suicide is the cowards way out. There is no justification, there are only excuses.

 

[Tokyo Jihen]

Suicide suicide suicide.

To be completely honest, I don't feel there is a way to justify it. There is always a way out that isn't selfishly ending it. For people that consider it a true option, man the fuck up. When you think you've had it bad, there will always be somebody that has had it substantially worse. Yet they keep going, keep fighting. What makes any person think they should just get to up and quit?

It is beyond selfish. Even considering it shows your total lack of humanity and care for those that care about you. Those who commit suicide never truly think of what they are doing and how it will affect everybody they know that cares for them. The idea of what I think about suicide has been brought up to me at various stages in life, and my opinion has become solidified beyond all doubt.

Suicide is the cowards way out. There is no justification, there are only excuses.

What if you literally have the worst life in the world? Is that justified?

 

[Skyline969]

It's a fucking stupid thing to even consider. I've lost several people to it, and they chose it over trivial reasons, such as spousal issues or getting into a fight at school. It's no way out, and those who choose it over a constructive solution are weak. And, and this is going to sound kind of dickish, but the people who decide to do it deserve it. If you're that stupid, then maybe you deserve it. Those who are strong and decide to actually work at things to better themselves and fix the situation, they're the ones who I'm proud of for helping themselves. The rest... well, that's Darwinism for you.

 

[Urza]

Suicide suicide suicide.

To be completely honest, I don't feel there is a way to justify it. There is always a way out that isn't selfishly ending it. For people that consider it a true option, man the fuck up. When you think you've had it bad, there will always be somebody that has had it substantially worse. Yet they keep going, keep fighting. What makes any person think they should just get to up and quit?

It is beyond selfish. Even considering it shows your total lack of humanity and care for those that care about you. Those who commit suicide never truly think of what they are doing and how it will affect everybody they know that cares for them. The idea of what I think about suicide has been brought up to me at various stages in life, and my opinion has become solidified beyond all doubt.

Suicide is the cowards way out. There is no justification, there are only excuses.

You don't find it selfish to try and force someone else to live out a miserable existence for your own gain?

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

What if you literally have the worst life in the world? Is that justified?

What is the worst life in the world? Whatever you think you're going through, someone's always going through something worse.
There is no "literally", it's a matter of opinion.


Some think suicide is a way out and some do not.
Some of us may think it's selfish, while others will think it leads to a better life than the hell they're suffering in.
Either way, no one knows what happens after you die, so how can we say whether or not it'll be worse or better?
The thing is, we'll never know.

 

[gifi4]

Suicide suicide suicide.

To be completely honest, I don't feel there is a way to justify it. There is always a way out that isn't selfishly ending it. For people that consider it a true option, man the fuck up. When you think you've had it bad, there will always be somebody that has had it substantially worse. Yet they keep going, keep fighting. What makes any person think they should just get to up and quit?

It is beyond selfish. Even considering it shows your total lack of humanity and care for those that care about you. Those who commit suicide never truly think of what they are doing and how it will affect everybody they know that cares for them. The idea of what I think about suicide has been brought up to me at various stages in life, and my opinion has become solidified beyond all doubt.

Suicide is the cowards way out. There is no justification, there are only excuses.

You don't find it selfish to try and force someone else to live out a miserable existence for your own gain?

But the person who is considering suicide is putting the people who love and care for them through hell, so it maybe selfish but it's better than letting the person take their own life...

EDIT: PG said it all.

 

[Tokyo Jihen]

What if you literally have the worst life in the world? Is that justified?

What is the worst life in the world? Whatever you think you're going through, someone's always going through something worse.
There is no "literally", it's a matter of opinion.


Some think suicide is a way out and some do not.
Some of us may think it's selfish, while others will think it leads to a better life than the hell they're suffering in.
Either way, no one knows what happens after you die, so how can we say whether or not it'll be worse or better?
The thing is, we'll never know.

Yes, it's all subjective, so I think it's foolish to say "There are people with worse lives out there, suck it up."

 

[Urza]

Suicide suicide suicide.

To be completely honest, I don't feel there is a way to justify it. There is always a way out that isn't selfishly ending it. For people that consider it a true option, man the fuck up. When you think you've had it bad, there will always be somebody that has had it substantially worse. Yet they keep going, keep fighting. What makes any person think they should just get to up and quit?

It is beyond selfish. Even considering it shows your total lack of humanity and care for those that care about you. Those who commit suicide never truly think of what they are doing and how it will affect everybody they know that cares for them. The idea of what I think about suicide has been brought up to me at various stages in life, and my opinion has become solidified beyond all doubt.

Suicide is the cowards way out. There is no justification, there are only excuses.

You don't find it selfish to try and force someone else to live out a miserable existence for your own gain?

But the person who is considering suicide is putting the people who love and care for them through hell, so it maybe selfish but it's better than letting the person take their own life...

So if being selfish is fine, what's the problem with suicide?

Or is it only okay for other people to be selfish?

 

[Nathan Drake]

You don't find it selfish to try and force someone else to live out a miserable existence for your own gain?

For my own gain? What would one gain out of not having a loved for or cared for person not selfishly kill themselves? If anything, the suicide helps people gain things such as depression, excessive amounts of stress that lead to health problems, all kinds of negative affects because you couldn't accept and change your own life. It's like dominoes. You commit suicide, a very close person can't handle it, enters a deep depression, kills them self, and it just repeats. Most people don't handle death well, even if they didn't know the person. For those people, it becomes substantially worse when it is somebody even remotely close.

As I said before, there is no justification for suicide. You can make every excuse in the book trying to make it seem even minutely justified, and it will just sound selfish as can be.

What do you gain by killing yourself? A decent into the potentially worse unknown? I personally believe there is nothing after. You're worm food, you're just feeding the soil. Who would want that, to just not exist anymore? There is always help, always. If somebody has the time to strongly consider suicide as an option, they have the time to get help.

Harden the fuck up is the best advice that can be given.

Normally, I would say do what makes you happy, screw what everybody else thinks. This is one of very few exceptions I can think of where it will blatantly hurt others.

 

[[M]artin]

All I can say about suicide is: -1 on your total score, no respawns LOL

 

[nryn99]

But the person who is considering suicide is putting the people who love and care for them through hell, so it maybe selfish but it's better than letting the person take their own life...

EDIT: PG said it all.

well, who must sacrifice then? the relatives or the person who wants to commit suicide? take your pick.

 

[gifi4]

Suicide suicide suicide.

To be completely honest, I don't feel there is a way to justify it. There is always a way out that isn't selfishly ending it. For people that consider it a true option, man the fuck up. When you think you've had it bad, there will always be somebody that has had it substantially worse. Yet they keep going, keep fighting. What makes any person think they should just get to up and quit?

It is beyond selfish. Even considering it shows your total lack of humanity and care for those that care about you. Those who commit suicide never truly think of what they are doing and how it will affect everybody they know that cares for them. The idea of what I think about suicide has been brought up to me at various stages in life, and my opinion has become solidified beyond all doubt.

Suicide is the cowards way out. There is no justification, there are only excuses.

You don't find it selfish to try and force someone else to live out a miserable existence for your own gain?

But the person who is considering suicide is putting the people who love and care for them through hell, so it maybe selfish but it's better than letting the person take their own life...

So if being selfish is fine, what's the problem with suicide?

Or is it only okay for other people to be selfish?

The thing is, the only unselfish way to get out of this would be if everyone else wanted this person dead, but I don't think that would be the case, if it is nescessary to be selfish, I'd rather be selfish and only hurt one person instead of being selfish and hurting lots of people (loved ones, etc.)

@game01
read what I just wrote, it basically answers your question

 

[Urza]

You don't find it selfish to try and force someone else to live out a miserable existence for your own gain?

For my own gain? What would one gain out of not having a loved for or cared for person not selfishly kill themselves? If anything, the suicide helps people gain things such as depression, excessive amounts of stress that lead to health problems, all kinds of negative affects because you couldn't accept and change your own life. It's like dominoes. You commit suicide, a very close person can't handle it, enters a deep depression, kills them self, and it just repeats. Most people don't handle death well, even if they didn't know the person. For those people, it becomes substantially worse when it is somebody even remotely close.
So why is it my fault?

According to you, if I kill myself, and you get depressed, you should "man the fuck up." If you end up killing yourself as a result, that just means you're weak, right?

As I said before, there is no justification for suicide. You can make every excuse in the book trying to make it seem even minutely justified, and it will just sound selfish as can be.

Some people think there's no justification for being Jewish. Or Muslim. Or a homosexual. That's the kind of bigotry you're giving off right now.

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What do you gain by killing yourself? A decent into the potentially worse unknown? I personally believe there is nothing after. You're worm food, you're just feeding the soil. Who would want that, to just not exist anymore? There is always help, always. If somebody has the time to strongly consider suicide as an option, they have the time to get help.

If you believe there's nothing afterward, what reason do you have not to kill yourself? Does it really matter if you live another 40 years or 40 seconds, if you're dead at the end anyways?

 

[nryn99]

You don't find it selfish to try and force someone else to live out a miserable existence for your own gain?

What do you gain by killing yourself? A decent into the potentially worse unknown? I personally believe there is nothing after. You're worm food, you're just feeding the soil. Who would want that, to just not exist anymore? There is always help, always. If somebody has the time to strongly consider suicide as an option, they have the time to get help.

I did! and maybe wanting it again.

 

[Aeladya]

You don't know how many times I seriously thought about suicide. My birth mother is mentally unstable and extremely abusive, while my father is a selfish asshole who only cares about himself. Occasionally he will do something for me that shocks the shit out of me, I guess to make it seem like he isn't so self absorbed, but we all know the truth. My father didn't even want me to be born. My mother abandoned me with my grandparents, and my father pretty much did the same. He wonders now why what on Earth I have to be depressed about. I have severe trust issues and self-esteem issues as well. Some days I thought it would be better just to end it. One of my best friends in high school killed himself. We both went to therapy together, well he went after me. I heard that his parents didn't want him so he was abandoned to his grandparents, but truth be told they didn't want him either, they just took him in because they felt they had to. Every time I think about wanting to kill myself I remember that even though my parents didn't want me, I still do have family and friends that care, that love me. I think that I have to be brave for my friend and try to live for him. I'm on medication now and have not seriously thought of suicide (although if I die it might be due to wasting away to nothing as this medication makes me have zero appetite, both a good thing and a bad thing as I tend to eat when depressed, on the bright side I've already lost some weight

).


I do have ill thoughts about those who threaten it just to get attention. I've had friends who have done it and apparently my birth mother has done so several times (my birth father even offered to help her once just to prove she wasn't going to do it, I've told my friends who continuously threatened it that I didn't care anymore and to hurry up and do it, which they never did). It's the quiet ones you have to watch out for. The ones who threaten it are almost never serious. I don't think suicide is necessarily a selfish thing. Read Tears of a Tiger and you will understand what I mean. I understood why my friend did it (my cousin and I never went back to that therapist after that, he wasn't a very good one to begin with, I told him I heard voices in my head and he said I didn't need to be there anymore). I wish I had told him my feelings, even though he already had a girlfriend (a good friend of mine, who is clumsier than I am, she kept losing her memory due to this amazing ability to constantly get hit by cars so she could never remember me XD).

 

[nryn99]

damn, very hot argument.

@gifi4 let's pretend you want me alive, i want to die.

i will never listen to you. i'd still commit suicide. if you'd stop me i'll kill you.
that will be reality.




anyways. to stop a person from committing suicide is to break him.

i mean that you need to erase the reason for him wanting that. if you will tell me that because he has no fun memories then make him believe that the world is still beautiful, that there's still hope.


@aeladya you make me wanna cry. it's because somehow i know how you feel. but i'm happy that you still have a reason to live. never forget your reason to live, use it.

 

[Wombo Combo]

I think if you have a disease that you are going to die (ie:aids) from no matter what then I think its justified if the person wants to do it because what is the point of living or accomplishing anything when your going to die soon from a disease/virus I can see that overwhelming the individual.

 

[Vidboy10]

It all depends really...

If your in a war, and the offensive troops were coming to you, what will they do?
Torture you? Kill you slowly? Keep you in a death camp for years?

If they are, I would just take the easy way out.

But if it was for a trivial reason then that would be stupid...

 

[tatripp]

Why can't suicide be a person's choice and a selfish act? They aren't contradictory.
This is what GK Chesterton thinks about suicide as written in his book orthodoxy. "Not only is suicide a sin, it is the sin. It is the ultimate and absolute evil, the refusal to take an interest in existence; the refusal to take the oath of loyalty to life. The man who kills a man, kills a man. The man who kills himself, kills all men. As far as he is concerned he wipes out the world."

 

[Sterling]

damn, very hot argument.

@gifi4 let's pretend you want me alive, i want to die.

i will never listen to you. i'd still commit suicide. if you'd stop me i'll kill you.
that will be reality.

If I cared about you, I would try to. If you kill me, and you knew I cared, it might make you think for a second. You might reconsider. I would gladly give my life to keep a good friend or member of my family here in this world a bit longer. Especially if they did not share my belief. Who knows what I believe in could be correct, through my death, and the possibility of eternal life, my death could let me see this person again. I won't know until I take the dirt nap.