Hacking Question Will Switch 3.0.0 require a hardmod?

[petethepug]

A twitter post came out saying that Homebrew or an exploit will still work on 3.0.0, however some places state that something on 3.0.0 was patched that allowed some sort of system module to work.

First of all, I know the Switch obviously will have an exploit on 3.0.0 and below but everything that is told on the Switch Brew wiki is confusing for just an average user like me.

So what does any of this mean? http://switchbrew.org/index.php?title=Switch_System_Flaws&type=revision&diff=958&oldid=159

 

[driverdis]

A twitter post came out saying that Homebrew or an exploit will still work on 3.0.0, however some places state that something on 3.0.0 was patched that allowed some sort of system module to work.

First of all, I know the Switch obviously will have an exploit on 3.0.0 and below but everything that is told on the Switch Brew wiki is confusing for just an average user like me.

So what does any of this mean? http://switchbrew.org/index.php?title=Switch_System_Flaws&type=revision&diff=958&oldid=159

If you are referring to a hardmod as in a modchip, I doubt it considering how much room the Switch has (or lack of) for extra stuff in the shell.
If you mean like a hardware downgrade like 3DS had, This will be impossible unless an RGH like solution was developed. The eFuses blow for each update so the Switch will throw an error (and blow an eFuse so Nintendo knows you tried if you send it in for Warranty work) when downgraded.

 

[petethepug]

Alright, i'm still confused though. If this system module was patched on 3.0.0 then does that mean Homebrew is dead for the time being on 3.0.0.

Someone on Twitter said Homebrew was fine on 3.0.0 but there isint really any word on anything... And since the wiki says the sys module exploit got patched then how would getting Homebrew on 3.0.0 work

 

[Kourin]

The Switch probably has a few vulnerabilities. Some might have been patched on 3.0 while others might not have.

 

[KiiWii]

Does sky3ds require hard mod... not in the open it up and chip it sense... but a hacked game card...

Same thing could happen for switch...

 

[Captain_N]

Since the switch uses modular 32gb flash i could see an adapter that could program multiple modules. Now the question is could we somehow buy the flash modules.....

 

[aut0mat3d]

This is a really early stage for thinking about Homebrew.
Fact is that 3.00 can be hacked (you can gain access via a exploit). The guys working on hacking the Switch do not have a entrypoint to the actual 3.01 Firmware as all keys got changed and all Sysmodules were recompiled.
You have good chances to have Homebrew on 3.00 if ever a Exploit and Homebrew will be released. If this will ever happen - or in 2-4 years - noody knows.

Newer Security Implementions do more relie on heavier Implemention done by the Chip Manufacturer (System On A Chip, TrustZone,...), and they learned their lessons over the Years. So it will be more heavy to hack/overrule the Security Implementions.....


Think about:

• Nes Console, Gameboy: Simply make a Cartridge and flash a Rom Dump - Clone Consoles are avaiable till today
• SNES, Nintendo 64: Security Chip (CIC) on the Cartridge
• NDS: Cartridges (R4) were faking original Cartridges and providing Games from SD Card to the Console, no encrypted Communication
• 3DS: ARM7 and ARM11 Exploits had to be found
• Switch: NVIDIA Trustzone has to be compromised/exploited to have full Access without to hassle with Webkit Exploits or Exploiting Sysmodules/Games, Clone Cartridges were made nerly impossible due complete encrypted Communication

 

[Viri]

Switch hasn't been out for a year yet. I'm sure there are still countless exploits and vulnerabilities to be found.

 

[onions]

Alright, i'm still confused though. If this system module was patched on 3.0.0 then does that mean Homebrew is dead for the time being on 3.0.0.

Someone on Twitter said Homebrew was fine on 3.0.0 but there isint really any word on anything... And since the wiki says the sys module exploit got patched then how would getting Homebrew on 3.0.0 work

Homebrew can't be dead if it hasn't even started yet. We have no way to execute unsigned code on the Switch, and I doubt it will happen this year.

 

[BlastedGuy9905]

A twitter post came out saying that Homebrew or an exploit will still work on 3.0.0, however some places state that something on 3.0.0 was patched that allowed some sort of system module to work.

First of all, I know the Switch obviously will have an exploit on 3.0.0 and below but everything that is told on the Switch Brew wiki is confusing for just an average user like me.

So what does any of this mean? http://switchbrew.org/index.php?title=Switch_System_Flaws&type=revision&diff=958&oldid=159

im thinking it will work on 3.0.1 too, it was just a fix for the battery indicator

 

[SomeGamer]

im thinking it will work on 3.0.1 too, it was just a fix for the battery indicator

Don't forget about system stability though!

 

[BlastedGuy9905]

Don't forget about system stability though!

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Nekomaru]

First and foremost - don't count your chicks before they're hatched. Are there any harbingers of Switch system or kernel level hacks? - nope.

Secondly, unless the hack has access to TrustZone+kernel it would stay clinged to the system version since we wouldn't be able to spoof OS version.

Thirdly, without spoofing we lose both online access and access to newer games. The big N is updating like crazy because of the rushed release of Switch and extensive reusage of vulnerable 3DS code. That's why it doesn't pay off for the community to release a substantial Switch hack right now. Due to N's bounty program and multiple missing features Super Mario Odyssey can require - let's guess 5.0 - and Xenoblade 2 maybe 7.0... Like one of the devs said - we can win this game also if N burns out all key material. But no sooner than 4 years from now I suppose.

Take-home message: Keep calm!

§ If you want to keep online functionality in Splatoon, buying eShop games etc. - just update with all the responsibility and stop asking "Will the TrustZone hack come in 2 weeks? Is it worth it to buy a Switch? Should I update from 1.0?"

§ If you want homebrew or piracy - use another console where it's possible.

§ If you can't afford Switch games at retail price - buy them used or get PC ports and stream them via REMx.

§ If you want a Switch Emulator - let's talk about it in 2022, fine?

 

[Thirty3Three]

http://wololo.net/2017/08/03/nintendo-switch-hackers-warn-updating-firmware-3-0-1/

I'd stick to 3.00, just to be safe.

 

[Tilde88]

Can gbatemp switch to a private forum?

Also, can we make a general Switch forum for people to post their absurd "ideas", as well as any simple questions that have been answered or addressed a thousand times already? I hate looking at all the bs clutter that is not dev related

 

[TheMCNerd2017]

Can gbatemp switch to a private forum?

Also, can we make a general Switch forum for people to post their absurd "ideas", as well as any simple questions that have been answered or addressed a thousand times already? I hate looking at all the bs clutter that is not dev related

I assume if GBATemp would become a private forum, you would need some special key generated by another member if you were to register. That, or they would require users to register just to view any pages. But yeah, it would weed out the group of people that post useless threads, fake junk, or ask n00b questions without doing simple research(searching google).

 

[Deleted-355425]

Yeah because thats going to bring in ad revenue.

 

[petethepug]

The point of GBATemp is to ask questions & discuss (or showcase) projects or applications. Stupid people are always going to comment and ask questions like myself, and not everyone has the same knowledge base of computers, software, or well yeah. Just general stuff.

If you really think about it, making the place private would reduce un-necessary questions but then everyone would just use this forum as more of a productive environment. GBATemp wouldn't be the same becuase everyone would be talking about hacks and not really anything like games, the news would probably be taken over by general updates on consoles, and the whole forum would be setup like an office basically full of just devs.

Anyways, basically to sum up this thread, no one knows anything on how the system might work with Homebrew on 3.0.0 (Besides just theories or speculation.) So for the moment, everyone is just playing the waiting game.

 

[magico29]

bring it on,am ready with 2 babies one on 3.0.1 and another on 2.3.0

 

[HamBone41801]

If you are referring to a hardmod as in a modchip, I doubt it considering how much room the Switch has (or lack of) for extra stuff in the shell.
If you mean like a hardware downgrade like 3DS had, This will be impossible unless an RGH like solution was developed. The eFuses blow for each update so the Switch will throw an error (and blow an eFuse so Nintendo knows you tried if you send it in for Warranty work) when downgraded.

so there are a limited number of updates ninty can push until all the fuses are blown?