Er, ok, I got a little time to give
Etheboss the proper reply i promised, when things have just got very very interesting. Apologies for length (tsh boom).
@moderators, I deserve a right to reply to this - and in any context - this is absolutely relevant to WiiFlow development. Any further missives on the subject will be placed off-topic or contributors can PM me. Unless you want to reply here, that's your call.
FIX94 - for the sake of clarity and openness, I would sincerely advise not using your Global Moderator status with regard to me or this post - even if you do so with the most honourable intention, it could be viewed in a very damaging light - You will see why this is necessary for me to say as you read further, but I'm quite sure you already know.
Let me start by saying all I want to do is contribute to wiiflow. And I was very, very surprised to read this:
Yep, I did ban spacepimp,
EH?
"[20:35:49] mamule [~
[email protected]] has set mode +b *!*It-is-I-s...." Says actually, you didn't. I didn't hear a peep from you alll night, and we both know you had ample opportunity to talk
Of course, I believe etheboss when he says the log now reads that you banned me. So, for some reason, you've changed my status or some such after the fact, but you are making a falsehood by omission if you now claim that you were the person that banned me. mamule has liked your post so he's obviously complicit. This is just bizarre - why would you do that? Kurt Cobain said it best when he said "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean there not after you".
My recollection of events is almost exactly as described under the spoiler above. I can provide screengrabs of my irc client's log files, and while these can be faked, I'm sure FIX94, who is (oc) at the top level of administration at #wiiflow, is capable of faking evidence too. In FACT, Etheboss is right to be cynical - FIX already has.
Perhaps "who banned spacepimp" could be cleared up by some independently held log of bannings, toings and froings and the like - I suppose I could ask on #abjects - they're very helpful - but I hope I wont have to. There might be no such log, but maybe someone on #wiiflow could help? It's possible but I can't get on to ask because mamule banned me
... offending me, mamule and others
Er, i literally saw nothing from you all night. With regard to mamule, as I have already said - i thought we were cool right up until i read "[18:07:05] <%mamule> perso, i'll kick ______, sproutpimp and co everytime" Even though I've asked him, I still don't know why he felt the need to say this. If you imagine yourself in both our places, in whose place do you feel most offended? Sprouts are Belgian, btw. "...and others"... - is this about asking what the French for 'class act' is? - No offence was intended to our cousins across the water, I just meant to point out that mamule was showing real character here
edit -by asking for a translation, i intended to ironically stress mamules lack of class - not imply that his Frenchness is responsible - please excuse any offence unintentionally caused
- and then writing romans about how good he is and how bad wiiflow is?
Not really sure what romans means -
mamule some things really do get lost in translation, oui? - I assume it means he didn't read it, because at no point do I say anything about how bad wiiflow is - I talk (at length!) about how there's a culture on #wiiflow that belittles and disrespects GBAtemp, and some of it's contributing users in particular - including me - and that this is damaging for wiiflow development. Personally, like I've already said, I dig the 'flow. You can judge my opinion of wiiflow by my contributions to it. Which brings us to "about how good he is" - It's true, in the vast tapestry of ideas and hard work that is wiiflow, I have detailed the ideas of mine that have come to fruition (Hi5 Fledge!), but in a tale about how difficult it has been to contribute ideas to wiiflow, you have to say what ideas you've contributed. I did try to explain this earlier, so I hope i made it clearer that time.
I just needed to do that so he learns on how to behave if he wants to be a part.
Etheboss, this is quite important -
Part of what, exactly? - Shall we ask Roy Scheider?
Oh and spacepimp, now dont come and say sorry, that is not enough anymore, you did that often and still you dont change.
I believe it's important to apologise when you've made a mistake. I'm raising my kid to think that even when you think you've acted reasonably, you should apologise when unintentionally offending someone and make it clear that offending them wasn't your intention. Someone would suggest a reason for why fix was offended, and I, mortified (English!), would rush to apologise. This is when I could find out there was a problem. Which took less time and effort than with my girlfriend when I was a teenager. I am not kidding. Also, if fix wants to talk about how we conduct ourselves in private conversations. I would begin with how,
the last time we spoke, he felt the need to apologise, in a private message, for being so rude.
I am a very open person for everyone
everyone?
but on a certain point it goes way too far.
I am reading your last post and agreeing.
Also, mamule is a cool person if you are a cool person, obviously you did annoy and bother mamule so dont be surprised he was not friendly.
Well, users are able to form their own opinion of mamule, and we all agree that mamule is a treasured and loved member of this forum.
Sarcasm aside - and despite the occasional outbursts you can find right here on this thread, I think he's cool too. I was genuinely surprised to read what he'd said and although I'm angry, disappointed and disgusted at his behaviour, he is who he is and I'm sad it's like this right now. Actually, I (usually) quite like fix's more positive side, and I'm also really disappointed he's decided to act like this.
I will remove the ban eventually, dont even think about bothering us about it or I wont remove anything, need to be hard here.
#wiiflow hasn't been too productive for me recently (although I encourage flowheads to go there - you can learn and produce a lot very quickly if some one engages with you), and while i'll miss the tumbleweeds and (some) of the people, rest assured I will not be bothering you for access to #wiiflow too soon
- Although - feel free to invite me back any time!
Funny, in the ban list it says FIX94 banned you
(weather you believe me or not on this, i do have the ability to see who banned who).
I think here lies a big part of the problem, you assume things that did'nt happen, are incorrect or simply not true.
You are correct on the island <-> sea comparison, and i don't deny being involved more in wiiflow then most, but i don't think that is relevant in this case, t.b.h. i would feel the same if this (for example) happened in the GX channel, regardless of the user, i try to be unbiased about it.
Ugh, i promised i would not go further into this, so this is my final word about it.
Sorry to others that had to read this but did'nt want to.
Etheboss - You like to think of yourself as a man of reason - it's a very noble characteristic to have and I respect you for it. I understand you're reluctant to get involved - but if you're going to set yourself up as the voice of reason, you have take an impartial look at what's happened.
I will get round to replying to your initial post, but I've spent tooo long on this and it's time for bo bo's
EDIT:
Etheboss - no disrespect, but you're missing the metaphor - the island isn't people who contribute to wiiflow - if it was there wouldn't be a problem - the island is what fix thinks I "need to learn to be a part of" (see above).
Ask yourself: If wanted to know the answer to a relatively simple question about wiiflow, would it take 3 or 4 days and multiple attempts to find out - is that true for everyone?
(edited for clarity)
EDIT#2: What were you saying about there being no conspiracy?
hmmm I'm a terrible pirate lol