Hacking WiiFlow - an open source GUI USB-Loader

[matto21]

I know Fix and Bostonbc are trying to fix the three row banner problem. And I hope they do because I have the prob too

But on a happy note for me. I managed to get the 'use neek' option working with wiiflow r616 and neek2o r90. The option was working but running wiiware games with the option set to 'no' caused a blank screen or something about system files corrupt error. After some searching i found mention of copying cert.sys from my real nand to my modmii nand so I tried it and it seems to have fixed my problem. now I can play all wiiware/vc games by just running wiiflow. Just have to set the problem ones to use neek. Also make sure nand emulation is set to full. The only down side is those that use neek don't return to wiiflow they return to the neek2o nand system menu.

edit - in case you don't know, neek2o r90 isn't officially released ... i was just one of the lucky ones on IRC that got a copy to try. Hopefully OverjoY will release it soon.

Quick question on the neek2o and emulated NAND in general... I looked at this about a year ago and found it incredibly difficult to setup, plus I didn't like having to extract my Wiiware WAD's. Has that changed or do you still have to do al the extractions? And if I extract my NAND and extract my Wiiware WADS (I have over 700 of them) would I be able to clone the setup for the Wii in my basement or do it all again on that Wii since it has a different 'key'?

At one point I was hoping the WAD's themselves could just be run but that's probably too much to ask.

Hope that makes sense, I'm not sure if I know enough about it to ask a good question

I'm not a NAND expert .... OverjoY would know more.

first off I'm a little confused by what you mean extract you wiiware/vc wads. Obviously you don't have that many wiiware games on your system menu (it doesn't hold that many). have you made them into forwarder iso's or something.

You really shoud try Modmii ... it's really easy to make a virgin NAND. And then use showmiiwads to add your wiiware games to it. You could also use bootmii to make a nand backup and then use showmiiwads to extract the files and folders from your nand backup

If you use modmii to make a virgin nand i recommend running it in neek2o first for once before you add any wiiware games because the more wiiware games you have installed the longer neek2o takes (10 mins+) to run the first time.

@drakorex - make sure you have neek2o r90. And the 'use neek' option only works if you run wiiflow on it's own. don't run neek2o and then wiiflow. also a few other things i did to my modmii created nand was - copied savegame folders title/00010000 and title/00010004 from my old nand that was working with wiifow to my new nand, And i ran usbloadergx and used it to copy my Mii's and sysconf from my real nand to my new nand along with the cert.sys file from a bootmii backup.

I've been able to extract my NAND before and use ShowMiiWads to extract some Wiiware but had a lot of trouble getting triiforce to work last year. Sounds like it has gotten easier to run but I don't want to have to extract all my Wiiware games on both my Wii's. If I extract them on one Wii is there a way to copy them over to the NAND extract on my 2nd Wii?

Use my Nand on another Wii Must have the same requirements as yours or higher and you must use the NAND emulation in Full But there are problems connecting and synchronizing Wimote, but if you do not want to play online or bring back your Wimote, then no problem But if you play online you can get around it without going to write Nand emulated you want to use, if you use the same device where there is emulated nand, nand temporarily rename the folder in (NandWii) Take a dump of the other Wii Nand, once finished Open the folder you just created Nand Open the folder shared2 Open the folder sys Copy the sysconf file to the same location in which nand want to emulate By doing so you have emulated in Nand Internet settings. and the wiimote

Sorry for my bad English

 

[MassiveRican]

@[member='bostonbc']

you can use showmiiwads to make wads of your wiiware on a nand backup. just go to view nand and right click on a title and select pack wad.

Does running Wiiware from emulated NAND fix the channel limit?

no you can only put the max ( i think it's 40. havent done it in awhile.).. though if the only things you put on the nand is wiiware/vc.(not pl4 an all that stuff.) then thats plenty of room. unless your like me an have all your vc/wiiware on different nands.( then make a dump of your nand with the neek2o channel). use that to launch into neek from "nandflow".( thats the only thing i have in the nandflow, is this channel, then i launch to neek2o an use postloader to switch betwwen my nin,saga,wii. nands.)

Darn, it would be awesome if you could run the Wiiware directly instead of having to chunk it at 40 at a time.

What?? If you only boot into the SM then yes, you would have the problem where you can only see 48 channels at a time, but if you use PostLoader or WiiFlow you can install as many titles as you want and still see all the channels installed. Even so if you only want to use the SM you can use SNORT48+ to manage your installed titles and switch them out onto the active pages so you can always play the games you want.

I'm a heavy collector myself, but only of what I truly want, I'm a ten stack or so games short of every WiiWare/VC game out and I have all WiiWare installed over 2 NANDS alphabetized, I think it's like A-L on WiiWare-Unus and M-Z on WiiWare-Duo, then I have a seperate, NAND for every VC system, Genesis, SNES, NEO-GEO, etc... all usually over 48 channels, but several consoles saw well under 48 titles released so I combined a couple, or just filled them with Injected Wads of games that were never officially released

Guys, create a virgin NAND with ModMii or dump all your NAND's [member='BostonBC'] and just use ShowMiiWads to extract the WADS and install them all on one NAND or 2 or 3 depending on how many titles you have, it's not as complicated as in the past, especially with all the tools we have today. If you don't want to mess around moving save files manually you can use Savegame Manager GX and batch extract all your saves from real/emu-NAND to i.e. a "savegames" folder then install all the saves on a different e-NAND in batch! I wouldn't go over 100+ titles only cuz it takes a while for the NAND to actually boot all that info, NAND switches actually load pretty fast if you keep it around 70 titles.

 

[bostonBC]

I know Fix and Bostonbc are trying to fix the three row banner problem. And I hope they do because I have the prob too

But on a happy note for me. I managed to get the 'use neek' option working with wiiflow r616 and neek2o r90. The option was working but running wiiware games with the option set to 'no' caused a blank screen or something about system files corrupt error. After some searching i found mention of copying cert.sys from my real nand to my modmii nand so I tried it and it seems to have fixed my problem. now I can play all wiiware/vc games by just running wiiflow. Just have to set the problem ones to use neek. Also make sure nand emulation is set to full. The only down side is those that use neek don't return to wiiflow they return to the neek2o nand system menu.

edit - in case you don't know, neek2o r90 isn't officially released ... i was just one of the lucky ones on IRC that got a copy to try. Hopefully OverjoY will release it soon.

Quick question on the neek2o and emulated NAND in general... I looked at this about a year ago and found it incredibly difficult to setup, plus I didn't like having to extract my Wiiware WAD's. Has that changed or do you still have to do al the extractions? And if I extract my NAND and extract my Wiiware WADS (I have over 700 of them) would I be able to clone the setup for the Wii in my basement or do it all again on that Wii since it has a different 'key'?

At one point I was hoping the WAD's themselves could just be run but that's probably too much to ask.

Hope that makes sense, I'm not sure if I know enough about it to ask a good question

I'm not a NAND expert .... OverjoY would know more.

first off I'm a little confused by what you mean extract you wiiware/vc wads. Obviously you don't have that many wiiware games on your system menu (it doesn't hold that many). have you made them into forwarder iso's or something.

You really shoud try Modmii ... it's really easy to make a virgin NAND. And then use showmiiwads to add your wiiware games to it. You could also use bootmii to make a nand backup and then use showmiiwads to extract the files and folders from your nand backup

If you use modmii to make a virgin nand i recommend running it in neek2o first for once before you add any wiiware games because the more wiiware games you have installed the longer neek2o takes (10 mins+) to run the first time.

@drakorex - make sure you have neek2o r90. And the 'use neek' option only works if you run wiiflow on it's own. don't run neek2o and then wiiflow. also a few other things i did to my modmii created nand was - copied savegame folders title/00010000 and title/00010004 from my old nand that was working with wiifow to my new nand, And i ran usbloadergx and used it to copy my Mii's and sysconf from my real nand to my new nand along with the cert.sys file from a bootmii backup.

I've been able to extract my NAND before and use ShowMiiWads to extract some Wiiware but had a lot of trouble getting triiforce to work last year. Sounds like it has gotten easier to run but I don't want to have to extract all my Wiiware games on both my Wii's. If I extract them on one Wii is there a way to copy them over to the NAND extract on my 2nd Wii?

Use my Nand on another Wii Must have the same requirements as yours or higher and you must use the NAND emulation in Full But there are problems connecting and synchronizing Wimote, but if you do not want to play online or bring back your Wimote, then no problem But if you play online you can get around it without going to write Nand emulated you want to use, if you use the same device where there is emulated nand, nand temporarily rename the folder in (NandWii) Take a dump of the other Wii Nand, once finished Open the folder you just created Nand Open the folder shared2 Open the folder sys Copy the sysconf file to the same location in which nand want to emulate By doing so you have emulated in Nand Internet settings. and the wiimote

Sorry for my bad English

Cool, I think I understand. Thanks.

 

[bostonBC]

@[member='bostonbc']

you can use showmiiwads to make wads of your wiiware on a nand backup. just go to view nand and right click on a title and select pack wad.

Does running Wiiware from emulated NAND fix the channel limit?

no you can only put the max ( i think it's 40. havent done it in awhile.).. though if the only things you put on the nand is wiiware/vc.(not pl4 an all that stuff.) then thats plenty of room. unless your like me an have all your vc/wiiware on different nands.( then make a dump of your nand with the neek2o channel). use that to launch into neek from "nandflow".( thats the only thing i have in the nandflow, is this channel, then i launch to neek2o an use postloader to switch betwwen my nin,saga,wii. nands.)

Darn, it would be awesome if you could run the Wiiware directly instead of having to chunk it at 40 at a time.

What?? If you only boot into the SM then yes, you would have the problem where you can only see 48 channels at a time, but if you use PostLoader or WiiFlow you can install as many titles as you want and still see all the channels installed. Even so if you only want to use the SM you can use SNORT48+ to manage your installed titles and switch them out onto the active pages so you can always play the games you want.

I'm a heavy collector myself, but only of what I truly want, I'm a ten stack or so games short of every WiiWare/VC game out and I have all WiiWare installed over 2 NANDS alphabetized, I think it's like A-L on WiiWare-Unus and M-Z on WiiWare-Duo, then I have a seperate, NAND for every VC system, Genesis, SNES, NEO-GEO, etc... all usually over 48 channels, but a VC's emulated systems had well under 48 titles released

Seriously you guys just need to create a virgin NAND with ModMii or dump all your NAND's [member='BostonBC'] and just use ShowMiiWads to extract the WADS and install them all on one NAND or 2 or 3 depending on how many titles you have, it's not too complicated, you can even use Savegame Manager GX and extract all your saves to i.e. a "savegames" folder then install all the saves on a different e-NAND in batch! I wouldn't go over 100+ titles only cuz it takes a while for the NAND to actually boot all that info, NAND switches actually load pretty fast if you keep it around 70 titles.

Thanks, I didn't know about Postloader, that looks cool. How do you install Wiiware titles on WiiFlow?

 

[MassiveRican]

Thanks, I didn't know about Postloader, that looks cool. How do you install Wiiware titles on WiiFlow?

I don't believe that WiiFlow has the ability to install or delete WADS yet from the e-NAND, (someone correct me if I'm wrong on that) although I know for certain you can install WADS with USBL-GX. Regardless my method of choice to install or extract WADS is a pc program called ShowMiiWads, it's the fastest and easiest way to batch install WADS that I know of to an e-NAND and have been using it for some time. It has a read-me but if you decide to use it and need a tip or two pm me or post it here I lurk often lol.

 

[ST75]

@[member='bostonbc']

you can use showmiiwads to make wads of your wiiware on a nand backup. just go to view nand and right click on a title and select pack wad.

Does running Wiiware from emulated NAND fix the channel limit?

no you can only put the max ( i think it's 40. havent done it in awhile.).. though if the only things you put on the nand is wiiware/vc.(not pl4 an all that stuff.) then thats plenty of room. unless your like me an have all your vc/wiiware on different nands.( then make a dump of your nand with the neek2o channel). use that to launch into neek from "nandflow".( thats the only thing i have in the nandflow, is this channel, then i launch to neek2o an use postloader to switch betwwen my nin,saga,wii. nands.)

Darn, it would be awesome if you could run the Wiiware directly instead of having to chunk it at 40 at a time.

What?? If you only boot into the SM then yes, you would have the problem where you can only see 48 channels at a time, but if you use PostLoader or WiiFlow you can install as many titles as you want and still see all the channels installed. Even so if you only want to use the SM you can use SNORT48+ to manage your installed titles and switch them out onto the active pages so you can always play the games you want.

I'm a heavy collector myself, but only of what I truly want, I'm a ten stack or so games short of every WiiWare/VC game out and I have all WiiWare installed over 2 NANDS alphabetized, I think it's like A-L on WiiWare-Unus and M-Z on WiiWare-Duo, then I have a seperate, NAND for every VC system, Genesis, SNES, NEO-GEO, etc... all usually over 48 channels, but a VC's emulated systems had well under 48 titles released

Seriously you guys just need to create a virgin NAND with ModMii or dump all your NAND's [member='BostonBC'] and just use ShowMiiWads to extract the WADS and install them all on one NAND or 2 or 3 depending on how many titles you have, it's not too complicated, you can even use Savegame Manager GX and extract all your saves to i.e. a "savegames" folder then install all the saves on a different e-NAND in batch! I wouldn't go over 100+ titles only cuz it takes a while for the NAND to actually boot all that info, NAND switches actually load pretty fast if you keep it around 70 titles.

Thanks, I didn't know about Postloader, that looks cool. How do you install Wiiware titles on WiiFlow?

I am still on r590 but I used wiiflow to extract my NAND then I connected the hard drive to the computer and used showmiiwads to install the wiiware (around 150 or so to test it out). I connected the hdd to the wii and just launched wiiflow in real NAND. Set NAND emulation to full and went to emunand. Downloaded all covers through wiiflow. I have tested over 100 (playing for a few minutes) and no issues so far. This way I don't need neek2o for anything. All banners work perfect too.

 

[bostonBC]

@[member='bostonbc']

you can use showmiiwads to make wads of your wiiware on a nand backup. just go to view nand and right click on a title and select pack wad.

Does running Wiiware from emulated NAND fix the channel limit?

no you can only put the max ( i think it's 40. havent done it in awhile.).. though if the only things you put on the nand is wiiware/vc.(not pl4 an all that stuff.) then thats plenty of room. unless your like me an have all your vc/wiiware on different nands.( then make a dump of your nand with the neek2o channel). use that to launch into neek from "nandflow".( thats the only thing i have in the nandflow, is this channel, then i launch to neek2o an use postloader to switch betwwen my nin,saga,wii. nands.)

Darn, it would be awesome if you could run the Wiiware directly instead of having to chunk it at 40 at a time.

What?? If you only boot into the SM then yes, you would have the problem where you can only see 48 channels at a time, but if you use PostLoader or WiiFlow you can install as many titles as you want and still see all the channels installed. Even so if you only want to use the SM you can use SNORT48+ to manage your installed titles and switch them out onto the active pages so you can always play the games you want.

I'm a heavy collector myself, but only of what I truly want, I'm a ten stack or so games short of every WiiWare/VC game out and I have all WiiWare installed over 2 NANDS alphabetized, I think it's like A-L on WiiWare-Unus and M-Z on WiiWare-Duo, then I have a seperate, NAND for every VC system, Genesis, SNES, NEO-GEO, etc... all usually over 48 channels, but a VC's emulated systems had well under 48 titles released

Seriously you guys just need to create a virgin NAND with ModMii or dump all your NAND's [member='BostonBC'] and just use ShowMiiWads to extract the WADS and install them all on one NAND or 2 or 3 depending on how many titles you have, it's not too complicated, you can even use Savegame Manager GX and extract all your saves to i.e. a "savegames" folder then install all the saves on a different e-NAND in batch! I wouldn't go over 100+ titles only cuz it takes a while for the NAND to actually boot all that info, NAND switches actually load pretty fast if you keep it around 70 titles.

Thanks, I didn't know about Postloader, that looks cool. How do you install Wiiware titles on WiiFlow?

I am still on r590 but I used wiiflow to extract my NAND then I connected the hard drive to the computer and used showmiiwads to install the wiiware (around 150 or so to test it out). I connected the hdd to the wii and just launched wiiflow in real NAND. Set NAND emulation to full and went to emunand. Downloaded all covers through wiiflow. I have tested over 100 (playing for a few minutes) and no issues so far. This way I don't need neek2o for anything. All banners work perfect too.

That sounds even easier. Thanks, I will try it.

 

[bostonBC]

I just tried to extract NAND on r626 and got a flashing screen that said 'No valid FAT partition found for NAND Emulation!'.

I am running a FAT32 volume with a single partition. It's a 2TB drive but formatted as FAT32 with GUI format. I believe this worked before on my big drive.

And after about a minute the screen stopped flashing and hung with this display.

 

[kavid]

wii flow mod chines_s.ini r619

http://www.mediafire.com/?6gadgk4j030rll9

 

[macmanhigh]

Whuts up with the Music???

Was working perfect before now using r615.......wiiflow.ini has music directory = Wiiflow\Music

 

[sdoc96]

Whuts up with the Music???

Was working perfect before now using r615.......wiiflow.ini has music directory = Wiiflow\Music

Seems to be broken again, in r626.
Also, I seem to be getting some weird 'slowdown' in GC banners, spasmodically.

 

[FIX94]

Seems to be broken again, in r626.
Also, I seem to be getting some weird 'slowdown' in GC banners, spasmodically.

Here it works fine, even with 15000 wii games... And I dont have slowdowns in gc banners, its fine. May delete the inis again?

 

[bostonBC]

Whuts up with the Music???

Was working perfect before now using r615.......wiiflow.ini has music directory = Wiiflow\Music

Seems to be broken again, in r626.
Also, I seem to be getting some weird 'slowdown' in GC banners, spasmodically.

Wouldn't hurt to delete wiiflow.ini and rebuild the cache. I don't know how many times that has 'cured' similar problems for me as I've upgraded from version to version.

 

[Jojse]

I just made a clean install of r626. But something is wrong, many covers don´t show up at all and when I try to download new covers I get "Not enough memory"... I deleted all inis and cache when I updated. Anything else I can do?
Have never seen this before. I have a little over 500 games on my 2TB Seagate HDD....

 

[bostonBC]

I just made a clean install of r626. But something is wrong, many covers don´t show up at all and when I try to download new covers I get "Not enough memory"... I deleted all inis and cache when I updated. Anything else I can do?
Have never seen this before. I have a little over 500 games on my 2TB Seagate HDD....

Do you have your covers stored in a non-standard location? If you deleted your apps/wiiflow/wiiflow.ini file after it is recreated you will need to reset the paths.

And you deleted the files in your wiiflow/cache/lists folder?

I am a little confused by your note - did you do a clean install of r626 or an upgrade from a prior version?

Usually I just need to delete the apps/wiiflow/wiiflow.ini and do a manual cache rebuild and that fixes things when upgrading from a prior version.

 

[MassiveRican]

I just made a clean install of r626. But something is wrong, many covers don´t show up at all and when I try to download new covers I get "Not enough memory"... I deleted all inis and cache when I updated. Anything else I can do?
Have never seen this before. I have a little over 500 games on my 2TB Seagate HDD....

I recently tested how WiiFlow performs on a completely clean install with r615 and had similar problems when loading covers with the default theme, loading with Jiiwah's Starnight theme corrected my problems, and the music was also broken, more details here. When updating I don't have as many problems, I'm going to try another completely clean install with r626 and see how it performs and will report.

 

[Jojse]

I just made a clean install of r626. But something is wrong, many covers don´t show up at all and when I try to download new covers I get "Not enough memory"... I deleted all inis and cache when I updated. Anything else I can do?
Have never seen this before. I have a little over 500 games on my 2TB Seagate HDD....

Do you have your covers stored in a non-standard location? If you deleted your apps/wiiflow/wiiflow.ini file after it is recreated you will need to reset the paths.

And you deleted the files in your wiiflow/cache/lists folder?

I am a little confused by your note - did you do a clean install of r626 or an upgrade from a prior version?

Usually I just need to delete the apps/wiiflow/wiiflow.ini and do a manual cache rebuild and that fixes things when upgrading from a prior version.

I have my covers in sd:/wiiflow/.... And I deleted everything except my covers and music, so everything else is new by r626... Every time I start wiiflow there are diffrent covers that dont show up... Very strange.

 

[bostonBC]

I just made a clean install of r626. But something is wrong, many covers don´t show up at all and when I try to download new covers I get "Not enough memory"... I deleted all inis and cache when I updated. Anything else I can do?
Have never seen this before. I have a little over 500 games on my 2TB Seagate HDD....

Do you have your covers stored in a non-standard location? If you deleted your apps/wiiflow/wiiflow.ini file after it is recreated you will need to reset the paths.

And you deleted the files in your wiiflow/cache/lists folder?

I am a little confused by your note - did you do a clean install of r626 or an upgrade from a prior version?

Usually I just need to delete the apps/wiiflow/wiiflow.ini and do a manual cache rebuild and that fixes things when upgrading from a prior version.

I have my covers in sd:/wiiflow/.... And I deleted everything except my covers and music, so everything else is new by r626... Every time I start wiiflow there are diffrent covers that dont show up... Very strange.

Have you tried a manual cache rebuild?

 

[carlitos92jose]

Seems to be broken again, in r626.
Also, I seem to be getting some weird 'slowdown' in GC banners, spasmodically.

Here it works fine, even with 15000 wii games... And I dont have slowdowns in gc banners, its fine. May delete the inis again?

is not working for me, I delete de wiiflow ini, cache folder, setting and still not working, the last version that the music works for me was on rev 609.

 

[bostonBC]

Seems to be broken again, in r626.
Also, I seem to be getting some weird 'slowdown' in GC banners, spasmodically.

Here it works fine, even with 15000 wii games... And I dont have slowdowns in gc banners, its fine. May delete the inis again?

is not working for me, I delete de wiiflow ini, cache folder, setting and still not working, the last version that the music works for me was on rev 609.

Have you tried the default theme?