Wii System Update warning

[shtonkalot]

Can someone explain the link between IOS37 and freeloader? I was under the impression freeloader had nothing to do with trucha-Signed

Im hoping someone could screenshot as proof to these theroys

I cannot unfortunately tell you much as it is beyond my understanding. Bushing, who is (IMHO) the most knowledgeable Wii homebrew developer has stated that the freeloader and Trucha signer are working in the same fashion, using a bug in the (or absence of a) signature-checking function.
They are able to operate for the same reason and that is what is fixed in the latest update. When this update is enabled / used by the new system menu (another update) nothing that functions in that way should be able to run.

The proof will be (as they say) in the pudding. I'm staying away from the desert tray just yet.

I think only some Wii homebrew developers would be able to get a screenshot or similar evidence for you. Even then it may take some in depth understanding of the Wii system to be able to make sense of it.
If you really want to chase it up maybe go on #Wiidev and ask there.

 

[mb01]

So basically this current update is ok to use. It has the files that are needed to block Trucha but they wont be activated until the next menu update. So we really just have to stay away from the next menu update??

 

[supervillain]

does the freeloader let me play burned games on an unmodified wii?

 

[mb01]

No. It lets you plays import games on any wii. NOT backups though. Only modded Wiis can play backups with the freeloader.

 

[Deleted User]

You are so..... The rumor is true (and in fact is not a rumor) it's just that you don't seem to understand how this works.
The wii uses multiple firmwares and load them on-demand when running a program, this way a programe expecting an early firmware will run on an early firmware. The menu itself is a program loaded, and it's him who is responsible for calling the faulty signature checker in the firmware.
Nintendo has released a new firmware with the bug corrected, and so any program running on this firmware will use the proper signature checker and therefore will stop trucha signer from working.
The only thing Nintendo has to do now is to release a new menu requiring the latest firmware.
So, yes we're screwed.

EDIT : about freeloader, the only way you can produce a wii disc is either using a valid dev kit from nintendo with a proper 128bit AES encryption key OR use the exploit of trucha signer. We all know there's little chance datel is using a devkit, because if they were then the freeloader would have been released earlier. So the freeloader is basically a trucha signed disc with their binary : it will stop working as soon as the exploit is fixed, that is to say starting from now.

 

[stev418]

Personally i think datel are smarter then a lot give them credit for, maybe im wrong, but it seems they know what they are doing - you cant even dump the freeloader discs.

 

[GexX2]

Personally i think datel are smarter then a lot give them credit for, maybe im wrong, but it seems they know what they are doing - you cant even dump the freeloader discs.

This thread wants a word with you.
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=78314

 

[xboxinoz]

I had a feeling there would be something good on the Wii Hacking scene this Easter... just thought there would be some breakthru annouced.... unfortunately it seems the news is a firing shot from big N themselves. Hmmm... sounds bad but lets have faith in the hackers who never seem to fail to surprise. And if indeed Nintendo is about to stop our fun and games I guess I'll stick at my old 3.1E firmware for now and enjoy everything I already have, many of which I've never had time to finish.

Hope Mario Kart will be playable on 3.1... after that there was nothing much on the horizon I wanted anyway!

 

[Maktub]

The Twilight Hack is the Wii scene's last hope. All we can do now is just hope that the Twilight Exploit can work its magic like Lumines and GTA: LCS exploits did on the PSP. This way, can find ways to open new paths. Now is the time to band together as a united scene and find a way to get a custom firmware on the Wii!!!Oh the Humanity!!! Our last hope! it's all so dramatic.
Where do we sign up to join the fight against non-custom firmwares brother?
As long as the Wii scene continues to follow the PSP scene (as of course it has..) we should all survive though.
Thank god for people like you showing a clear way through these deeply disturbing times.

**end of sarcasm**

QUOTE(HopOnRocks @ Mar 23 2008, 12:23 PM) Also, that image looks incredibly fake to me, so has appeared to anyone else yet?

Are you are referring to the image of the update screen with the word "hax" in it. Cause that's legit straight from Nintendo for sure!

**edited real (for sure) end of sarcasm**

You, sir, are a lil' bit of a prick.
If Nintendo made an update just to block the last efforts on the Wii scene, then I don't see why wouldn't they try to mock up as well.
Is it not logical to think that way after we read they have possibly released an update just to do that, and there's a square with text on it telling "OH HAI IMA BLOCKIN' YOUR GAMEZ"? I don't know, normally those screens are extracted from actual images.
Next time take your sarcasm hilariousness to House where they may pay your for it.

 

[stev418]

Personally i think datel are smarter then a lot give them credit for, maybe im wrong, but it seems they know what they are doing - you cant even dump the freeloader discs.

This thread wants a word with you.
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=78314

Sorry, but that isn't a dumped version - the cracked version has just had some files inserted (apploader) from the freeloader into another image and then been re-signed using tracha-signer. A retail freeloader cant be dumped (at this stage)

My point being, with the sort of experience/technology that datel have do you really think they would make use of a 'bug' in the wii signing verification process? Especially since the fact that the ones who found the bug have from the start clearly made known how easy this bug would be to fix by nintendo? Well its possible, but doesn't make good business sense or plain sense at all.

 

[MiloFoxburr]

Personally i think datel are smarter then a lot give them credit for, maybe im wrong, but it seems they know what they are doing - you cant even dump the freeloader discs.

This thread wants a word with you.
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=78314

Sorry, but that isn't a dumped version - the cracked version has just had some files inserted (apploader) from the freeloader into another image and then been re-signed using tracha-signer. A retail freeloader cant be dumped (at this stage)

So what is the freeloader iso that is floating around usenet and torrent sites?

 

[arctic_flame]

Personally i think datel are smarter then a lot give them credit for, maybe im wrong, but it seems they know what they are doing - you cant even dump the freeloader discs.

This thread wants a word with you.
http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=78314

Sorry, but that isn't a dumped version - the cracked version has just had some files inserted (apploader) from the freeloader into another image and then been re-signed using tracha-signer. A retail freeloader cant be dumped (at this stage)

So what is the freeloader iso that is floating around usenet and torrent sites?

A hacked version of the freeloader. Srsly, it's not the retail one.

 

[armagedalbeebop]

"the cracked version has just had some files inserted (apploader) from the freeloader into another image and then been re-signed using trucha-signer. A retail freeloader cant be dumped (at this stage)"

im so smart

 

[Devil_Spawn]

i need to get zelda before its too late!

 

[need4speed]

i need to get zelda before its too late!

Its a good job that I got the Zelda game for my wii and I hope they can fully open homebrew soon using the Zelda hack.

 

[jincongz]

Let's just get a Wii to Dark_Alex. Maybe that'll do the trick!

 

[kedest]

I'm not sure which update I installed, the one with the wiiware update or this trucha fix. Is there any way to check that?

 

[DarkCamui]

Let's just get a Wii to Dark_Alex. Maybe that'll do the trick!

Would rather see him working on the PS3.

 

[mastermanna123]

Let's just get a Wii to Dark_Alex. Maybe that'll do the trick!

Would rather see him working on the PS3.

True. It would be fun to have a well known psp hacker and firmware creator work on the Wii. But most likely, if he had the choice and other necesities, he'd probably go for the ps3 or 360. lol

 

[hanndn]

Our Dark_Alexs are bushing, segher and tmbinc!