Hacking Why is a 3DS flash cart needed?

[drfsupercenter]

If you don't like 'em, ignore 'em (Either using the actual feature, or just doing it in general). Responding to people saying things you dislike only fuels the hate for both sides of the situation on this forum.

I know, I usually avoid Gateway-bashing threads, I was simply trying to answer in more detail why we can't just play pirated games without a flash cart.

For the record, I'd love to see something open-source made as well, but at the same time I accept that Gateway is the only real option at the moment, and since I happen to have one anyway, that works out fine.

 

[Huntereb]

I know, I usually avoid Gateway-bashing threads, I was simply trying to answer in more detail why we can't just play pirated games without a flash cart.

This thread is more directed at the redundant use of Flashcards as a whole, and not just Gateway. Gateway's just the main one when it comes to the 3DS.

 

[drfsupercenter]

This thread is more directed at the redundant use of Flashcards as a whole, and not just Gateway. Gateway's just the main one when it comes to the 3DS.

Gateway is the only team actually doing anything anymore. MT-Card started by writing their own code, but it seems they took the R4 route too and just started stealing Gateway's.

 

[Huntereb]

Gateway is the only team actually doing anything anymore. MT-Card started by writing their own code, but it seems they took the R4 route too and just started stealing Gateway's.

We've heard this so much. The same information doesn't necessarily belong here.

 

[Kupie]

Because the only people smart enough to do it work at gateway, then smea did that but refuses to release it, and everyone else simply can't do it or doesn't care, a lot of the higher up guys in the 3ds scene have cfw running on their 3ds for a long time, they just don't want to give it away to people since it will cause piracy.

Eh, the only proof someone can do something is to release it. I'll believe SMEA when I see it. Just like Fail0verflow and their WiiU exploit they won't release...

 

[Zidapi]

It was exact copy of gateways emunand written from scratch without the rom loader or need for flashcarts

You still needed an NDS mode flashcart to kick things off. But with no ROM loading capability there was no need for a 3DS mode flashcart obviously.

 

[4gionz]

You still needed an NDS mode flashcart to kick things off. But with no ROM loading capability there was no need for a 3DS mode flashcart obviously.

Any save game exploit could have replicated the ds profile hack but yes 10$ for region free is more acceptable in my eyes, again it doesn't really matter it will never get released and I'm not good enough at programming yet to do anything about it

 

[NCDyson]

GW is useless, you can do everything without flashcard, i just don't know why anyone no released a way to load warez with SD, to my mind the "No, because it will do more piracy" not is true, i just see a Flashcard getting more and more rich day by day.

I can't tell if you're joking or not. Aren't you working on a rom loader for your personal use that you're not planning to release

 

[Jayro]

I think what will happen is this:

If the New 3ds is susceptible to the hack - Wait until US/EU versions come out, then release
If the New 3ds is not susceptible to the hack - Release now.

Basically, I'm pretty sure the point is that he want to see if the new 3ds supports SSSPwn, and if it does, to drag that out as well. Usermode loading on new3ds would be a godsend - Imagine New3ds Exclusives being modded!

Im not entirely sure about this, but with all the 3ds games being re-encrypted with 0's, might it be possible to load a re-encrypted ROM from userland? That could mean Game mods first day New 3ds launches.

Why would the new roms be encrypted with all 0's? I don't think Nintendo would be THAT stupid...

 

[Esppiral]

Because the exploit is tied artificially to a hardware device to make money, simple as that.

 

[Deleted member 301661]

so wait, we can use the exploit, but with little mod it should be able to start something alike homebrew channel, and so it would also have the strength to loadbackubs from just an SD-card? so only the r4i card is needed (nothing really special)

 

[Huntereb]

so wait, we can use the exploit, but with little mod it should be able to start something alike homebrew channel, and so it would also have the strength to loadbackubs from just an SD-card? so only the r4i card is needed (nothing really special)

Yeah, pretty much. The only wall in the way of that dream is the developers, because there aren't any that would support that.

 

[gamesquest1]

i think people need to accept things the way they are,so many threads end up the exact say way "so WHAT!!! we dont actually NEED the card? !!!!1111" no you technically dont need the card, but you do need someone at the helm to steer that ship.......the very few people capable of that are either the gateway crew who would rather charge for that privilege or the homebrew development crew who have no intention of going down that route, until a new team/dev arrives that doesn't really give a toss about the possibility of getting sued by nintendo, your stuck with crew A or crew B......you can keep dreaming that crew C will arrive one day though......im sure at some point it will happen , the larger the amount of people with the knowledge of how the 3ds works, the higher the chances one of those people will decide to drop the rom loader bomb

 

[Huntereb]

i think people need to accept things the way they are,so many threads end up the exact say way "so WHAT!!! we dont actually NEED the card? !!!!1111" no you technically dont need the card, but you do need someone at the helm to steer that ship.......the very few people capable of that are either the gateway crew who would rather charge for that privilege or the homebrew development crew who have no intention of going down that route, until a new team/dev arrives that doesn't really give a toss about the possibility of getting sued by nintendo, your stuck with crew A or crew B......you can keep dreaming that crew C will arrive one day though......im sure at some point it will happen , the larger the amount of people with the knowledge of how the 3ds works, the higher the chances one of those people will decide to drop the rom loader bomb

It's a hard thing to have to accept, but you're right. I never saw the 3DS scene turning out this nasty back three years ago. But hey, at least we're gaining traction and we have something to work with.

 

[Deleted member 301661]

hardly think i know enough capeble persons for a hacking team... i know 2 programmers but those never dit anything like this, though one does something alike to be able to repair other brands equipment, and knows a little about ARM. i try to understand what's going on but since i only understand basic, pascal and assembly...

 

[misterb98]

Why would the new roms be encrypted with all 0's? I don't think Nintendo would be THAT stupid...

No, I mean, is it possible to run roms re-encrypted with all 0's as homebrew, with only userland control? Or would further modification to the files have to be done? It has been stated before that in order to run retail games, you need kernel access. But now that a lot of roms have been decrypted, could they then be modified and encrypted with the homebrew key (0's) and run in usermode?

 

[kyogre123]

No, I mean, is it possible to run roms re-encrypted with all 0's as homebrew, with only userland control? Or would further modification to the files have to be done? It has been stated before that in order to run retail games, you need kernel access. But now that a lot of roms have been decrypted, could they then be modified and encrypted with the homebrew key (0's) and run in usermode?

That only works for Gateway, that's how their launcher was programmed, but zero keys doesn't really mean "homebrew keys".

 

[gamesquest1]

you would have more chance loading encrypted games, "zero key" method was actually added in by gateway....a normal 3ds would need patches to even read them

basically, the encryption isnt the issue, its the fact that they need to be signed, and a usermode exploit wouldnt be enough to disable signature checks

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

If it was possible without the card im sure it would have been done by now.

 

[Duo8]

If it was possible without the card im sure it would have been done by now.

It is possible. It's just no one want to do it.