I currently have 2 360's, one Jtag'd and one not. both are currently sumsung 1st gen 360s. both have been RRoD fixed. my mate is now offering me a trade for my non-jtag'd box (8xxx update) for either of 2 360s... both still with the blades dash. the delema is; -the samsung has been RROD'ing lately, even though it has been "fixed"... but has the hackable samsung drive. -the other is a hitachi, with the "unhackable" drives... ie really gay to hack without going out and buying probes and whatnot. (would there be any reason to go the rrod-prone box, even though my current jtag is not DVD-ROM hacked?) i would be jtag'ing either box anyway, so gbatemp; which should i choose, and why?