Homebrew Question when will we be able to load NSP from USB disk. outside of SXOS

[Dominator211]

I mean being able to install and play games from USB, when USB is unplugged cloud icon appears when its plugged in, you can play. the concept is somewhat simple. but I'm sure it will take a lot of work on the development side. I would love to have someone implement this so i don't have to spend a lot of money on a larger microSD (im already at 256gb)

 

[altorn]

do you really need all those 256gb worth of games at one time?
for sure you're only playing 5-10 max of them regularly.
i mean the implementation will come in the future but there's a lot of other ways to manage your storage.

 

[Sonansune]

i feel 64g is more than enough.
but irl, most players are hoarder at some levels, so......

 

[Mythical]

That's a bunch of work for a small amount of people, for a larger amount of people to do a quite smaller amount of work tbh. I have a 128gb card with plenty of games retro/new and that's more than enough

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Also Cyber Monday Sales on larger cards are an idea (specially on amazon)

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Might be a difficult thing to accomplish without going the easy route of redirecting SD access to USB. (which then means you can use SD or USB, but not both simultaneously)
Now that doesn't mean it won't happen, but I think CFW devs are focusing on other things at the moment, such as emuNAND. Meanwhile SX has both emuNAND and XCI loading with USB support, and yet people still claim all they do is steal from the open source devs. Not that they don't do that, but they do bring a lot of exclusive features to the table as well. Would be great if they open sourced their .xci and emuNAND code to give back to the devs they stole from but eh they have to make money somehow I guess. Anyway, I digress.

Nintendo has hinted that it may be supported officially in the future however.

 

[Mythical]

Might be a difficult thing to accomplish without going the easy route of redirecting SD access to USB. (which then means you can use SD or USB, but not both simultaneously)
Now that doesn't mean it won't happen, but I think CFW devs are focusing on other things at the moment, such as emuNAND. Meanwhile SX has both emuNAND and XCI loading with USB support, and yet people still claim all they do is steal from the open source devs. Not that they don't do that, but they do bring a lot of exclusive features to the table as well. Would be great if they open sourced their .xci and emuNAND code to give back to the devs they stole from but eh they have to make money somehow I guess. Anyway, I digress.

Nintendo has hinted that it may be supported officially in the future however.

I believe it'll happen once there's enough large games out there to warrant it. They don't want memory to be a limiter on their sales

 

[Freezerbomb]

I mean being able to install and play games from USB, when USB is unplugged cloud icon appears when its plugged in, you can play. the concept is somewhat simple. but I'm sure it will take a lot of work on the development side. I would love to have someone implement this so i don't have to spend a lot of money on a larger microSD (im already at 256gb)

Probably not going to happen anytime soon. All the cool kids are loading from USB on SXOS. Why don't you want to be one of the cool kids?!

 

[tinkle]

Just get SXOS. XCI is superior now - you can roll updates and DLC into your XCI game and just load and play.

 

[Sigma_Guy]

I don't know anything about XCIs or NSPs, but I've personally been looking in to different ways of having the Switch "talk" to things over USB for Nx-USB. However, somehow getting the Switch to be able to act as a computer to talk to a USB drive is not just difficult, it is more difficult than having the Switch act as a device to talk to another computer. Here's just some of the different things going on with that:

1) Nintendo, in there infinite wisdom, included a pretty nice set of low-level commands for using the Switch as a USB device, and a *very* nice set of commands for using controllers/keyboards/etc over USB, and a single, general, difficult to use command set for doing *anything else* USB related.

2) None of the current toolchains even including bindings for the commands Nintendo does have, so any new implementation would involve going all the way to the Operating System and patching the toolchains.

3) After *that* is finally done, we only gained the ability to talk byte-by-byte to a USB device using the Switch as a host; we still need to implement the (pretty long and complicated) SCSI protocol on top so that we can talk to USB *drives*, specifically.

4) After *that* is done, we still need to find/port drivers for ALL the different file systems that we want to talk to; yes, even FAT32.

5) Finally, this will give us the ability to add in USB support to something like NX-Shell; for something like loading support we'd then need to implement this as a kernel module AND including custom kernel code to allow for a more arbitrary LayerFS-like system.

In short, probably not happening for a while at least.

 

[Dominator211]

i love how the first three people to respond were telling me im crazy for having so many games.

 

[tinkle]

I don't know anything about XCIs or NSPs, but I've personally been looking in to different ways of having the Switch "talk" to things over USB for Nx-USB. However, somehow getting the Switch to be able to act as a computer to talk to a USB drive is not just difficult, it is more difficult than having the Switch act as a device to talk to another computer. Here's just some of the different things going on with that:

1) Nintendo, in there infinite wisdom, included a pretty nice set of low-level commands for using the Switch as a USB device, and a *very* nice set of commands for using controllers/keyboards/etc over USB, and a single, general, difficult to use command set for doing *anything else* USB related.

2) None of the current toolchains even including bindings for the commands Nintendo does have, so any new implementation would involve going all the way to the Operating System and patching the toolchains.

3) After *that* is finally done, we only gained the ability to talk byte-by-byte to a USB device using the Switch as a host; we still need to implement the (pretty long and complicated) SCSI protocol on top so that we can talk to USB *drives*, specifically.

4) After *that* is done, we still need to find/port drivers for ALL the different file systems that we want to talk to; yes, even FAT32.

5) Finally, this will give us the ability to add in USB support to something like NX-Shell; for something like loading support we'd then need to implement this as a kernel module AND including custom kernel code to allow for a more arbitrary LayerFS-like system.

In short, probably not happening for a while at least.

sxos already does this, and released a module for homebrew developers for free.

 

[Taorn]

sxos already does this, and released a module for homebrew developers for free.

Which only works on sx os. It's a clever business move, as you motivate people to create more value for your product. And that without any further cost.

 

[tinkle]

Which only works on sx os. It's a clever business move, as you motivate people to create more value for your product. And that without any further cost.

Right, but it's still been implemented. So there's no excuse for others not to use it, or to create their own facsimile.

 

[Taorn]

Right, but it's still been implemented. So there's no excuse for others not to use it, or to create their own facsimile.

Why is there no excuse for others, not to use a library that only works on one cfw?

 

[tinkle]

Why is there no excuse for others, not to use a library that only works on one cfw?

Because there's a solution, and it works.

 

[Dominator211]

But some of

Because there's a solution, and it works.

us dont want to pay or dont have money to pay for a license

 

[kumikochan]

Because there's a solution, and it works.

can nsp's be installed to HDD ? This is a first i'm hearing, when did that happen

 

[tinkle]

can nsp's be installed to HDD ? This is a first i'm hearing, when did that happen

Why would you use NSPs when you can install your DLC and patches to the XCI image itself and just mount as needed?

 

[BlastedGuy9905]

do you really need all those 256gb worth of games at one time?
for sure you're only playing 5-10 max of them regularly.
i mean the implementation will come in the future but there's a lot of other ways to manage your storage.

why are you like this
he asked a question, not your opinion

 

[kumikochan]

Why would you use NSPs when you can install your DLC and patches to the XCI image itself and just mount as needed?

Oh sorry i thought you meant with your comment that you already could with nsp's. Nevermind then