Hacking What if 5.5.2 is a Bomb...???

[eyeball226]

There's nothing to prove, you're wrong about Nintendo having done anything wrong by removing something that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

You: Nintendo are wrong OPINION

FACT:Nintendo aren't wrong.

It's not hijacking this thread, this thread is about conspiracy theories and making claims that Nintendo are doing something wrong by removing the browser exploit.

Well if you insist.
I said I found it morally dodgy for them to remove functionality, whether intended functionality or not. Morals are subjective, deal with it.

 

[fowler002]

Well if you insist.
I said I found it morally dodgy for them to remove functionality, whether intended functionality or not. Morals are subjective, deal with it.

Moral + Legal: Killing/stealing etc = BAD

Moral + Legal: Nintendo removing function to stop(well reduce) piracy = NOT BAD

DEAL WITH IT.

 

[Blue]

You are all fools. Of course it's not a bomb... it's god damn Nuke. Japan got tried of all our shit and decided to blow us up. Revenge after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Will it only affect US consoles?

 

[eyeball226]

Moral + Legal: Killing/stealing etc = BAD

Moral + Legal: Nintendo removing function to stop(well reduce) piracy = NOT BAD

DEAL WITH IT.

So what you're saying is Morality=Legality?

 

[JasonH]

Wii U Update 5.5.2 BREAKS HACK and finishes off Miiverse

 

[KapuDaKoopa]

is this thread really still real
im not dreaming right

 

[JasonH]

What Has The new 5.5.2 System Update Done to Loadiine.ovh | Wii U

 

[ihaveahax]

morals are subjective, sure, but people can still point out how dumb and illogical they sound.

Nintendo is fixing an exploit that enabled unwanted access on the Wii U, a closed platform. if you're saying this is "morally questionable" then you should probably say that about closed platforms in general. if anything what we're doing could be considered "morally questionable", but I'm fine with that.

also, exploits are hardly features.

 

[fowler002]

So what you're saying is Morality=Legality?

Saying you're wrong and that your "morality is hinky"

 

[eyeball226]

Saying you're wrong and that your "morality is hinky"

Good, it at least sounds like you've accepted that morality is subjective. You're allowed to disagree with my take, you have your own moral code. Me being wrong is your opinion, not a fact.

 

[fowler002]

Good, it at least sounds like you've accepted that morality is subjective. You're allowed to disagree with my take, you have your own moral code. Me being wrong is your opinion, not a fact.

This whole argument is all rubbish, your original post + the rest of your replies have been subterfuge. You're simply unhappy about what nintendo have rightfully done, you've brought up this "moral bs to hide the fact.

It's ok to show your displeasure without the subterfuge you know.

 

[eyeball226]

This whole argument is all rubbish, your original post + the rest of your replies have been subterfuge. You're simply unhappy about what nintendo have rightfully done, you've brought up this "moral bs to hide the fact.

It's ok to show your displeasure without the subterfuge you know.

The whole argument is a non-argument. I said I found it slightly morally dodgy (not even immoral) and you've been trying to "prove" me wrong with "facts" when the whole thing is opinion. By all means disagree with my opinion. Also subterfuge is a weird accusation to make, care to explain?

 

[ihaveahax]

The whole argument is a non-argument. I said I found it slightly morally dodgy (not even immoral) and you've been trying to "prove" me wrong with "facts" when the whole thing is opinion. By all means disagree with my opinion. Also subterfuge is a weird accusation to make, care to explain?

yeah if they removed a feature like you keep saying, maybe. but they did not remove a feature. they fixed an exploit, which are not features, they are bugs. what?

 

[eyeball226]

yeah if they removed a feature like you keep saying, maybe. but they did not remove a feature. they fixed an exploit, which are not features, they are bugs. what?

Doesn't matter. It used to do a thing, they stopped it doing a thing. I find that slightly morally dodgy.

 

[ihaveahax]

Doesn't matter. It used to do a thing, they stopped it doing a thing. I find that slightly morally dodgy.

your justification makes zero sense. it doing a thing does not make it a feature. the difference does matter.

 

[eyeball226]

your justification makes zero sense. it doing a thing does not make it a feature. the difference does matter.

Not to me. I'm sorry that upsets you.

 

[ihaveahax]

Not to me. I'm sorry that upsets you.

you don't like that they fixed a security exploit, not removed a feature. trying to mask your dislike for it as something higher and more meaningful makes you look dumber than you just saying "i don't like it". morals are irrelevant here, no matter how subjective they are.

I'm sorry, but what the fuck?

 

[CheatFreak47]

Doesn't matter. It used to do a thing, they stopped it doing a thing. I find that slightly morally dodgy.

The state of being "exploitable" isn't an active effort or maintained capability. Instead, being exploitable is merely a trait- that only becomes a feature once it's taken advantage of, afterwhich, the user would be expected to find a more stable, more permanent exploit to take advantage of, using the insecure one only once or twice as a door to more stable access to said features.

There's nothing morally unsound about correcting security vulnerabilities in software. What is morally questionable- actually, is taking advantage of them in the first place. And this is coming from someone who does precisely that on every console I get my grubby fingers on.

 

[eyeball226]

The state of being "exploitable" isn't an active effort or maintained capability. Instead, being exploitable is merely a trait- that only becomes a feature once it's taken advantage of, afterwhich, the user would be expected to find a more stable, more permanent exploit to take advantage of, using the insecure one only once or twice as a door to more stable access to said features.

There's nothing morally unsound about correcting security vulnerabilities in software. What is morally questionable- actually, is taking advantage of them in the first place. And this is coming from someone who does precisely that on every console I get my grubby fingers on.

I'm not in the slightest bit invested in convincing anyone else to share my opinion but I'm happy to carry on discussing it. I should probably point out that I wouldn't have a problem with it if the update was easily opted out of (as in "Would you like to install the update? Yes/No"). It's less the closing of the exploit by itself that I find morally questionable but rather the combination of that with updates that can only be avoided through means like alternative DNS servers (assuming that one otherwise wants to connect to the internet).
Exploit or not, there was behaviour that was deemed useful by some users. Disabling that without asking is at the very least rude.
I'm happy to put more effort in to reply to you as you've clearly put more effort into your post than those above.

 

[fowler002]

I'm not in the slightest bit invested in convincing anyone else to share my opinion but I'm happy to carry on discussing it. I should probably point out that I wouldn't have a problem with it if the update was easily opted out of (as in "Would you like to install the update? Yes/No"). It's less the closing of the exploit by itself that I find morally questionable but rather the combination of that with updates that can only be avoided through means like alternative DNS servers (assuming that one otherwise wants to connect to the internet).
Exploit or not, there was behaviour that was deemed useful by some users. Disabling that without asking is at the very least rude.
I'm happy to put more effort in to reply to you as you've clearly put more effort into your post than those above.

"Oh boo hoo a Business is try to protect one of its main sources of finance, now I wouldn't be able to pirate my games, boo freaking hoo"

That is what this whole "argument/discussion" boils down to, as has been already said you're simply not happy Nintendo is doing something that EVERY console maker does not just Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft regularly release updates for their consoles, and many of those have patched exploits, don't see you throwing a hissy fit at them for their "lack of morals"