1. Gisa

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    I just made an account to say thank you for this great advice, esp. about older USB Sticks/Flashdrives! I've spent days trying to get some games working through my USB flash drive via USB Loader. I finally got my games working, tried moving them to a newer 128 GB 3.1 USB stick, and then...nothing worked. Thought I changed a setting or something and realized through your post that the Wii is picky with USB drives (to be fair, it is over 10 years old) and confirmed this was the cause!

    So for those struggling, if you have updated your cIos stuff, updated your USB loader GX, and, through game loader settings (have forced NSTC on video and language to English on my soft-modded Korean 4.2 Wii - this was what helped me get going - thanks to whoever posted that in another one of the million threads that exist about this) and are still having no luck, I'd strongly advise you to consider trying out an older USB, ideally 2.0 if you are going the USB route. I can confirm that 2 different Sandisk type USB 2.0 drives have worked fine for me. Based on size and style, I recommend the Cruzer blade, as they are super small, cheap, and have no moving parts (the drives that pop out are annoying to put into any USB port, let alone the back of a Wii).

    I was temped to try out a 64 GB version but after buying a 128 GB version and not having luck, I figured buying one more 32 GB should (for 64 GB total) would be enough for the games I'm interested in.

    Be sure to format your drive to FAT 32 and use Wii Backup Manager.

    Thanks again for the advice about USB drives. I would guess anything that is USB 2.0 would do substantially better than 3.x.

    Good luck to all!


    Mr. Gisa
     
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    alexander1970 Austrian Guy - allowed make grammatical Errors
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    Hello.:)

    It is always a very nice Matter,when Users read here and then decide to Register on this great Community.
    Thank you very much for Joining.:)
     
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    Happy to be here. Having fun with a console I haven't played with for a while now thanks to people like you who have taken the time to help us get things working. :)

    Mr. Gisa
     
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    I was also struggeling with black screen issue. I was thinking it is CIOS issue but turned out after cloning the rips disk to new disk all games went bad and where not able to load. After downloading same games from internet and replacing them on the disk all worked fine. Just a tip: try to replace game if all other things seems to be ok. There where noowhere to see that game is bad. It was dedected corrctly by backup manager and also I was able copy to my local disk as ISO.
     
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    I can only report that the Sandisk Ultra USB Sticks work perfectly. Never had even one boot error or game crash.
    https://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-128GB-Flash-Memory-Drive/dp/B00P8XQPY4

    Also my problem from 2 months past with exactly these boot errors and/or game crashes was fixed how I described it on my thread. No errors since then anymore with any game.

    The whole "Dont use USB Sticks" is a complete asspull.
    There is no difference between a USB Stick Nand and a SSD Stick Nand on a technical level.

    The difference is that an USB Stick Nand Array is smaller, so they have less write speeds and re-write cycles.
    But for a Wii it doesnt matter, because the Wii never writes on the USB Stick, it only reads.

    The whole thing is only a problem because people are using dead-end lowend garabage chinese USB Sticks. Of course those are crap and have barely any speed or reliability. Its enough for transfering your PowerPoint presentation to school, but not for any real usage.

    Buy a 10bucks solid Sandisk, Samsung, or so Stick and I bet you money, it wont be a problem. Or the problem will be something else.
     
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    They do have different controlers you know? USB; ATA and whatever.

    Greywolf once said he has two Snadisk, same model even and one work, one doesn't (I am too lazy to search now) - can you explain this?

    Cyan and many others get to the conclusion that many USB sticks won't work on the many Wii base on hundreds of reports and how they finally fix them

    You get to this "asspull" conclusion base on one UBS stick and your own Wii and concludes all USB sticks work on all wII?
    Yes, there are discrete reports that some USB sticks work but the number of failed reports makes the gurus not to recommend USB sticks for noobs (especially those came here for help) in general and Nintendo officially says not to use a USB stick for BOTW due to excessive read/writes that most USB sticks can't stand for long.
     
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    "... and whatever."
    Damn that technical knowledge. Must be reliable.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory

    tl;dr:
    Quality USB Stick NAND is the same as SSD NAND. The difference is in WRITE CYCLES.
    The Wii doesnt write on the Medium, neither Harddrive, neither Nand, neither SSD, nothing. IT NEVER WRITES ON THE STORAGE.


    He once said something, somewhere, but I cant find the quote for this one singular situation.
    Wow... hey lets build a statistic. So much data here, its like we can assume ANYTHING now and make up fairy tales as we like.
    The sky is the limit for how much bullshit we can pull out of an elephants ass now!


    I assume people like Cyan are just tired off people trying to make their USB2 5-10year old 2gb chinese shit stick working with their Wii.
    Its only natural for them to recommend using something that IS NOT SHIT.
    Like a WD USB3 HDD. Which are... NOT SHIT.
    The underlining factor here is... USE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SHIT!


    I get that conclusion because a) I know how NAND technology works, b) I made a few more tests with multiple drives as resources.
    Good NAND is indifferentiable from any other form of NAND.
    A good USB Stick NAND, is as usable as a good SSD NAND. And definitely better than a spinning disk HDD.

    ESPECIALLY IF: THE WII DOESNT WRITE ON THE STORAGE!
     
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    The Nand is one thing, but the Nand isn't all a USB stick / SSD has, they still need an interface to work with the outside world, like USB controller for USB sticks and ATA controller for internal SSD and additional USB controller if you want to use an internal SSD on USB ports.

    The Wii doesn't write to USB storage, but apps like Nintendont and emunand does and if you start apps from USB, they do wrtie to the USB - alot. Explain Why Nintendo doesn't recommend USB stick for BOTW.

    AND writing is the not the only concern, most USB stick problems we have seen are compatibilities problems - they are not being recognized
     
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    Hello.:)

    I would like to say that maybe it is the other Way around - the NEWER the USB Stick (USB 3.0 +) is, the MORE Problems with the USBLoader GX arise.:mellow:

    There are many Users,where the Sticks works (includes me too).

    BUT,I do not longer recommend them to use it with the USBLoader GX.

    Thank you.:)
     
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    Well, there are many cases where they don't work with any loader.

    Yes some may say Cyan or other Gurus are lazy but who wouldn't if there are so many cases where the only solution is to change the storage device. Cyan always told users to try other loaders/settings first
     
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    Yes,when we look around,more and more USB Sticks are not working today.:(
    The Point,that maybe confuses the Useres is the Fact,that the USB Sticks work sometimes better with the Configurable USBLoader Mod and/or WiiFlow Lite....
    And the "major" Change was the 1272 Release from the USBLoader GX.Myself had many Issues with the USB Sticks since that Release.

    But then "comes" @blackb0x with some "Modifications" (it starts with the Geckocode Download when the Site has still used their DDoS Protection,he fixed that for us) or better said "cleanups" and with this Mod all Devices works for me again.:)
    https://gbatemp.net/threads/usb-loader-gx.149922/page-1321#post-8915000

    - Geckocodes works (now anyway since the DDoS Protection was removed)
    - The Disc Install Option works now on both IOSes (249 is still recommended)
    - The Device Recognition works near Perfect

    But of course,all depends of an correct Installation of the cIOSes/Bases on 249/250.
    An I i still think that HDDs should be used.:D

    Thank you.:)
     
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