As it says both of them crash after loading a wii game _from_ a HDD. USB crashs back to homebrew loader, wiiflow crashes and resets the whole system. I just _reinstalled_ the whole thing again from my disc. Cleanrip doesn't like me currently for some reason, but either way they both crash when attempting to run it. Clean rip hanges/crashes when trying to dump too so I used usb's wbfs dumper utility this time. I did just want to say taht my flash drive I was using for nintendont has apparently died but the rest of them wil not work with any drive with any fs format. They all end up with the same situation. They did load gc games just fine. The files were wbfs with nothing changed internally.