Homebrew To All O3DS Users

[DutchyDutch]

TBH emulators currently don't interest me. I respect the people who made them, but I really want to see some original homebrew games. Like Whack Mania, Portal 3DS. There are barely any games..

 

[romanaOne]

mGBA runs kind of ok on O3DS. Almost fast enough for slow games like Advance Wars, but nothing like full speed.

Messing around with FBI to install CIAs on sysnand is not something I'm going to risk just to play GBA games, so right now, it looks like slow board-game type games on mGBA are the only option.

I'm probably never going to get a N3DS...people are gouging $300--double price--for ones with low firmware(<9.2) on eBay.

 

[marc00077]

mGBA runs kind of ok on O3DS. Almost fast enough for slow games like Advance Wars, but nothing like full speed.

Messing around with FBI to install CIAs on sysnand is not something I'm going to risk just to play GBA games, so right now, it looks like slow board-game type games on mGBA are the only option.

I'm probably never going to get a N3DS...people are gouging $300--double price--for ones with low firmware(<9.2) on eBay.

If you follow tutorials correctly you won't have any problem, it's very hard to brick your 3ds if you don't mess with system files. (Although backuping nand does never hurt) Nintendo's emulator for o3ds works like a charm and doesn't drop a frame on nearly any game. n3ds has not many advantatges vs 9.2 o3ds.

 

[Osakasan]

Shame there isn't any way of downgrading. I'm not sure if i'd dare to do it, though.

Well, sooner or later something BIG will be discovered and we'll see a giant leap.

 

[TecXero]

Well, sooner or later something BIG will be discovered and we'll see a giant leap.

Yeah, sure, just like for PS3s stuck over 3.55.

 

[Osakasan]

Well, we saw about 3 new exploits emerging in a single day. Never say never.

3DS itself seemed untouchable until ninjahax appeared.

And yes, i know gateway existed, but that was basically a flashcart. Ninjahax was way bigger.

 

[TecXero]

Well, we saw about 3 new exploits emerging in a single day. Never say never.

3DS itself seemed untouchable until ninjahax appeared.

And yes, i know gateway existed, but that was basically a flashcart. Ninjahax was way bigger.

Those are Userland using similar vulnerabilities (most of them, anyway). We'll probably have Userland exploits up to the end of the 3DS's commercial lifespan. As for a kernel vulnerability, it's very possible another one will never be found. If your expectation for 3DS homebrew are based on PSP and/or Wii, dismiss those expectations. The Dreamcast, Wii and PSP were exceptions, not the rule.

 

[Osakasan]

Well, it's not exactly a hope or an expetation, but a guess. I may be wrong of course and, due to the nature of the console itself we may never see another kernel exploit again but, as i said, never say never.

 

[ric.]

What I don't think people understand is that there *is* a pretty big hurdle in terms of emulation on O3DS - the technical capabilities of the console. It's possible we won't get MANY of the things N3DS users are going to get, and that's okay. Look at the PSP scene, where certain homebrew only works on the newer models with added RAM. Not the first time it happens.

That said, it's also worth mentioning that the Retroarch cores are still at an alpha phase - they are not done porting them to the 3DS platform. I use the term '3DS platform' because they're not specifically porting them to N3DS or O3DS, they're just making code that runs on the system in general. Once the porting process is done they can get to optimizing the cores and by that point we will probably see the speed of cores like NGPC, Genesis Plus GX or CatSFC increase dramatically, but until that happens I don't think anyone can claim devs have 'forgotten' about O3DS users. It's just that the N3DS is powerful enough to run the emulators at full speed right away without optimization, but even devs like endrift and aliaspider own O3DS systems I believe, so they're probably aiming to get more stuff running at full speed on the hardware. Just gotta give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[lemanuel]

It's useless to create a thread like this. Even when only talking about O3DS users, there's two groups. The ones with firmware 9.2 or below (kernel access) and the ones with 9.3 or above (no kernel access). And that makes a huge difference in which homebrews (especially emulators) run well or not.
Same thing can be applied to the N3DS of course but since it's more powerful, the gap isn't so big.

So unless people want to create 4 different threads (O3DS 4.1-9.2; O3DS 9.3+; N3DS 8.1-9.2; N3DS 9.3+), having one just like this it's useless. Better to just pay attention when reading some specific homebrew thread so that you're always informed of what works well or not for you.

 

[cpasjuste]

Well, the problem isn't we don't think to o3ds users when porting/developing emulators.. We just do as best as we can, we have technicals limitations (either hardware/skills or both in my case) which are lowered by the n3ds CPU speed. Also note that I personally own a o3ds like other devs..

 

[ric.]

Well, the problem isn't we don't think to o3ds users when porting/developing emulators.. We just do as best as we can, we have technicals limitations (either hardware/skills or both in my case) which are lowered by the n3ds CPU speed.

This. The N3DS is superior enough so you can throw unoptimized code at it and chances are it'll run smoothly due to the higher clock speeds. It's not a matter of preference - devs aren't targeting the N3DS specifically.

 

[Deleted User]

I don't think o3DS users have been forgotten, since there are a lot of very vocal users asking about emulators that work on o3DS on newer firmware.

You're right. There are many homebrew stuff that's only for o3DS and doesn't work at n3DS.

 

[Osakasan]

*talk*

Well, this thread exists exactly for keeping track and record of anything that runs decently and as a guide of people who not only is disoriented, but also for those who are looking for info what runs and what doesn't since the threads dedicated are:

BlargSNES: Dead

Gameyob: Lost

Retroarch: Taken by N3DS owners

This. The N3DS is superior enough so you can throw unoptimized code at it and chances are it'll run smoothly due to the higher clock speeds.

This, ric, is actually a huge ass problem that plagues not only the scene, but game developement as well.

Better to just pay attention when reading some specific homebrew thread so that you're always informed of what works well or not for you.

Not possible because of i just said. After some lurking i had no other way to get some knowledge but to open a new thread. Wherever i look, be it the NeoGAF 3DS homebrew thread with its OP blatantly lying about what O3DS can do, be it elotrolado wich is an absolute huge fucking mess or be it gbatemp itself O3DS users are lost, and since +9.2 tubehax/ironhax is the most common configuration right now i think this is fair. However, it should be specified in the first post and title.

 

[lemanuel]

Not possible because i just said. After some lurking i had no other way to get some knowledge but to open a new thread. Wherever i look, be it the NeoGAF 3DS homebrew thread with its OP blatantly lying about what O3DS can do, be it elotrolado wich is an absolute huge fucking mess or be it gbatemp itself O3DS users are lost, and since +9.2 tubehax/ironhax is the most common configuration right now i think this is fair. However, it should be specified in the first post and title.

Well... I can guarantee you that it's possible since it's what I do (I also only have a O3DS).
In any case, when someone wants to know for sure if it works for them or not, the best advice on how to do it is trying it themselves instead of asking. That way they'll have a 100% accurate answer.

 

[wormdood]

After some lurking i had no other way to get some knowledge but to open a new thread

but that's how i got all my knowledge i started an account last year but ive been using temp for years all it takes is some reading

 

[Osakasan]

In any case, when someone wants to know for sure if it works for them or not, the best advice on how to do it is trying it themselves instead of asking. That way they'll have a 100% accurate answer.

Not to say that you're wrong, but for inexperienced/ignorant people that's the easiest way to brick an expensive toy. No, it isn't possible as things are now on 3DS, but you have to get into it to actually know that. This is particullary funny for me because i just introduced the 3DS homebrew to a N3DS owner friend, and he gets scared when the word install surfaces.

 

[lemanuel]

Not to say that you're wrong, but for inexperienced/ignorant people that's the easiest way to brick an expensive toy. No, it isn't possible as things are now on 3DS, but you have to get into it to actually know that. This is particullary funny for me because i just introduced the 3DS homebrew to a N3DS owner friend, and he's scared when the word install surfaces.

Everyone has been a beginner at one time in the past. That will change with experience of course. I understand what you're saying. It's normal for someone with no experience to be worried about messing with their console.
But I do believe it's impossible to brick a console when just messing with homebrew though. Unless you're doing more advanced stuff, like installing CIAs to sysnand (which is only possible to people that have kernel access anyway).

 

[Osakasan]

Everyone has been a beginner at one time in the past. That will change with experience of course. I understand what you're saying. It's normal for someone with no experience to be worried about messing with their console.
But I do believe it's impossible to brick a console when just messing with homebrew though. Unless you're doing more advanced stuff, like installing CIAs to sysnand (which is only possible to people that have kernel access anyway).

Well, as a precedent we have Wii and, to a lesser extent, vWii. The Wii homebrew days were very sound and people like my friend heard stories about how you could mess the entire OS only taking the wrong step installing the homebrew channel. By that time i used to softmod the consoles of my friends, and i usually had to debunk myths about it.

I'm not exactly a brilliant mind either (wich actually would explain the whole opening a new thread to gather information thing) so i didn't realized a few obvious things before getting into the 3DS homebrew scene. This thread, well organized, it's perfect for newbies and people who didn'y jump to the new 3DS version. I know i would have opened it myself if any other user didn't

 

[lemanuel]

Well, as a precedent we have Wii and, to a lesser extent, vWii. The Wii homebrew days were very sound and people like my friend heard stories about how you could mess the entire OS only taking the wrong step installing the homebrew channel. By that time i used to softmod the consoles of my friends, and i usually had to debunk myths about it.

I'm not exactly a brilliant mind either (wich actually would explain the whole opening a new thread to gather information thing) so i didn't realized a few obvious things before getting into the 3DS homebrew scene. This thread, well organized, it's perfect for newbies and people who didn'y jump to the new 3DS version. I know i would have opened it myself if any other user didn't

Having a "well organized" thread in GBATemp is almost impossible

But I understand what your intentions are. I'm just saying that in the end of the day, it will depend on each person to read and pay attention to what's important to them, be it here in this thread or on any of the other ones. Reading comprehension is the most important requirement.
There's 1000+ threads where you can ask for help, so that's why I consider that first one needs to read and only then ask.
Btw.. I think we should stop here or otherwise we're just ruining the thread as well with this talk, which isn't bad comparing to many others but still kinda off-topic. lol