The situation in Ukraine...

[AncientBoi]

I think it's Crap! The world is not even ready for War. if it had to come to that. Are we not still dying of covid? Stupid fuqing politicians! I wish I could tell them ALL to "Go To Their Rooms", since they act like Kids!

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

aggressor's side

From a historic perspective, the US is the aggressor.
The Russian people (not just Putin) cannot and will never accept the US Army in the Donbass or on Crimea. The actions Russia has taken were completely predictable. It is a bit like putting official American military on the island of Taiwan. Instant war. To Russians the American army is an extension of the German Wehrmacht (let´s not forget there were plans to unite with the Wehrmacht and start a 2nd Operation Barbarossa; in any case Germany and America are united today). Similarly, to the Chinese the American army is an extension of the Japanese Imperial Army (again: there were plans to nuke China, shortly after Japan had been defeated... and let´s not forget Korea and Vietnam).

The US does not have a historic sore point with regards to Cuba (compared to Donbass), but 1962 has proven they are willing to go to war instantly if Russia did what they are now trying to do to Russia.

 

[MadonnaProject]

"Not a contest," remember? The US has the highest per capita prison population, and the entirety of that prison population can be forced into slave labor.

I can agree on that.

Or we could just try to improve conditions here, rather than flippantly dismiss valid criticisms with whataboutisms.

So how's this working out?

My white parents don't talk like that and I'm in my thirties. Maybe my grandparents did, lmao.

So you're white. I am not. This figures why you are speaking to a black person with such entitlement to down talk to them about what YOU think are the issues in their community. It makes more sense now. People like you want people like me to feel victimised so you can feel like the saviour. When we don't you don't really like it.

So you're admitting you're white then, noted. Still ain't no "our people" though, I don't side with ignorant conservatives. Especially those that pretend to be black on the internet when they think it might give them a leg up in an argument.

Are all conclusions in your life lead to a 2 and 2 makes 5 situation?

LMAO you disingenuous SOB. You used that phrase in this conversation before I did.

You really speak like an american. Not that you'd have self awareness to realise how stupid it is.

Have you even glanced at what the topic is once? Because it's not, "your thoughts on race relations in America and CRT."


You just described Donald Trump and anybody with narcissistic personality disorder. Attempting to stereotype all black Americans in that fashion is just plain racist though, no two ways about it.

Aha, white guy with a TDS and saviour complex. I am not wasting anymore time with you.

 

[Xzi]

So how's this working out?

Slow but steady. Lots of people like you who think things will never get better and so we should never even try to improve them.

So you're white. I am not.

Nope, not playing that game any more. Your writing style betrays you as old, out of touch, and someone who listens to far too much Jordan Peterson. All you're doing is supporting his pill addiction.

You really speak like an american.

A simple, "yeah I made a mistake" would've sufficed, but your inability to even do that betrays an ego much larger and more fragile than my own American one.

Aha, white guy with a TDS and saviour complex.

Not a single black person would ever be caught dead using the abbreviation/phrase "TDS," but I guess we're already past the point where you've gone mask off anyway. I'm sorry if I offended you by using Donald Trump as the most famous and well-known example of NPD, but facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[Xzi]

From a historic perspective, the US is the aggressor.

This doesn't make any sense. It's like saying, "remember WW2? Germany must be the aggressor!" Putin is making the only violent threats here, and Russia is the only country with a majority of its military in position to begin attacks on Ukraine at any moment.

Hypothetically even if the US had done something to provoke Russia, they'd still be in the wrong for punishing peaceful Ukrainian citizens for it.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

This doesn't make any sense. It's like saying, "remember WW2? Germany must be the aggressor!" Putin is making the only violent threats here, and Russia is the only country with a majority of its military in position to begin attacks on Ukraine at any moment.

Hypothetically even if the US had done something to provoke Russia, they'd still be in the wrong for punishing peaceful Ukrainian citizens for it.

If Germany and Israel were at bad terms and Germany insisted on the German army stationed in South Syria, it would indeed by an aggressive move due to history. Jews would say never again and immediately attack, no matter how peaceful the Syrians are in that scenario.

Making "the Ukraine" (as more and more people now call it; unknowingly questioning the existence of a Ukrainian people like in the "the Sahara") choose between EU and Russia was the first aggressive move by the West. Biden was in Ukraine in 2014, shaking hands with a man calling Russians subhumans (and speaking of a Russian invasion into Germany in World War 2 on German television). How about Russia sends diplomats to cheer on the next January 6th?

The Russian soul (and Ukrainians are Russians btw) has always been stuck between Europe and Asia. Instead of seeing them as a bridge, they are made to become a bridge head.

 

[djpannda]

lol Funny how the "True Americans" that call for Stronger Boarder laws are the same ones stating its ok for Russia to go into Ukraine.

 

[Xzi]

Making "the Ukraine" (as more and more people now call it; unknowingly questioning the existence of a Ukrainian people like in the "the Sahara") choose between EU and Russia was the first aggressive move by the West.

Good thing the US isn't making them do anything then. Only Russia is forcing their hand on that decision. They could spend the next fifty years considering their choices for all the US cared before this whole crisis.

Biden was in Ukraine in 2014, shaking hands with a man calling Russians subhumans

You'd have to clarify who you're talking about here, sounds like sensationalist nonsense to me. I'll tell you who does treat Russians like subhumans, though: Putin.

How about Russia sends diplomats to cheer on the next January 6th?

That gave me a giggle. Investigations into January 6th aren't finished, there's no guarantee Russia wasn't involved with the first one. And they don't send "diplomats," they send mobsters.

 

[MadonnaProject]

Slow but steady. Lots of people like you who think things will never get better and so we should never even try to improve them.


Nope, not playing that game any more. Your writing style betrays you as old, out of touch, and someone who listens to far too much Jordan Peterson. All you're doing is supporting his pill addiction.


A simple, "yeah I made a mistake" would've sufficed, but your inability to even do that betrays an ego much larger and more fragile than my own American one.


Not a single black person would ever be caught dead using the abbreviation/phrase "TDS," but I guess we're already past the point where you've gone mask off anyway. I'm sorry if I offended you by using Donald Trump as the most famous and well-known example of NPD, but facts don't care about your feelings.

Abhorrent and racist to assume all black people say the same things, think the same things and speak the same way. Quite disgusting you continue to insinuate I am white. Atypical of a yank liberal.

 

[Viri]

Welp, the Olympics are about to end, so now is it time for an invasion?


What confuses me is, if Russia does invade Ukraine, and conquers them, then what? They'll be stuck with a country that fucking hates them. They'll have to station troops all over Ukraine just to hold it, and they'll experience weekly terrorist attacks. Half the world is going to hate them.


How exactly does any of this benefit them?

 

[Xzi]

Abhorrent and racist to assume all black people say the same things

...I know, that's why I called you out for it.

Atypical of a yank liberal.

'Atypical' means something is not typical, just FYI. Which would be correct because I'm a democratic socialist and a registered independent.

What confuses me is, if Russia does invade Ukraine, and conquers them, then what? They'll be stuck with a country that fucking hates them. They'll have to station troops all over Ukraine just to hold it, and they'll experience weekly terrorist attacks. Half the world is going to hate them.


How exactly does any of this benefit them?

It doesn't really. Putin's just looking for a temporary distraction from his problems at home in Russia. That, or his nostalgia glasses are affixed so permanently to his head that he's crazy enough to believe he can actually re-assemble the USSR.

 

[Viri]

It doesn't really. Putin's just looking for a temporary distraction from his problems at home in Russia. That, or his nostalgia glasses are affixed so permanently to his head that he's crazy enough to believe he can actually re-assemble the USSR.

Welp, I don't see him getting the Baltic states back. It's a shame the west even allowed Stalin to force them into the Soviet Union in the first place.

 

[MadonnaProject]

...I know, that's why I called you out for it.


'Atypical' means something is not typical, just FYI. Which would be correct because I'm a democratic socialist and a registered independent.

Oh my Lord, you're such an american idiot. You don't know how Brits speak, much less how sarcasm works do you?

It doesn't really. Putin's just looking for a temporary distraction from his problems at home in Russia. That, or his nostalgia glasses are affixed so permanently to his head that he's crazy enough to believe he can actually re-assemble the USSR.

 

[chrisrlink]

living near 5 prime tagets in one freaking area in VA I worry we're sprobably second (maybe first if putin was smart about trying to nuke us) on putins list to nuke cause that would cripple our military by a good 25% at least

 

[plasturion]

I guess no one wants this conflict besides politicans. What it gives, more ukraine citzens will transfer to ue area agian include Poland where situation was difficult already include salary so the stats graphs with progressed inflation maybe diceded them to make some stupid radical moves. Someone have to work to keep factory working for bowl of rice.

 

[djpannda]

Putin recognises Ukraine rebel regions as independent​

Yup Putin wants to play..
1. Create a fake Crisis separatist areas
2. Claim Ethic Russia need to be protected
3. Keep the territory.
At This Point War seems likely.
Ukriane needs to admission to NATO. ( Recently Polls stated Ukrainians are now more than ever in favor of NATO.

 

[Xzi]

Putin recognises Ukraine rebel regions as independent​

Yup Putin wants to play..
1. Create a fake Crisis separatist areas
2. Claim Ethic Russia need to be protected
3. Keep the territory.
At This Point War seems likely.
Ukriane needs to admission to NATO. ( Recently Polls stated Ukrainians are now more than ever in favor of NATO.

Sadly this means conflict is almost certainly inevitable. "Independent" means the same thing as "Russian-controlled" in Putin's mind.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

That Minsk deal is dead then?

 

[sley]

No matter what happens after this, democracy in Russia will be in an even worse state than before.

 

[djpannda]

That Minsk deal is dead then?

Minsk Deal was always a Russian long Con to destabilize the region.