The Pirate Support Thread

[xxNathanxx]

A little bit the 7th, but mainly the 5th because it is not really stealing, but copying, which is different. Nothing in life is even unique, you just make it out of what already exists.

Depends how you define 'unique'. Something can be 'unique' because there is nothing even remotely like it, or it can be 'unique' because it is a unique combination of things that already exist, e.g., if I were to make a hybrid table/towel, it would (probably) be unique in the sense that no one has made a hybrid table/towel before, but it would not be unique in the sense that it is merely a combination of a table and a towel.

 

[VashTS]

so if i pirate im a twat because i did not pay for something and you did pay for it?

internet logic is weird sometimes.

lets turn it around...if someone gave me a shitty car (that's what you're considering piracy is, someone is giving something, that is sold for money, out for free) and you paid for the same shitty car from a dealer, that makes me a twat?! lol.

honestly it depends on what you call piracy. the act of buying something, copying it, removing copy protections and redistributing is the true definition of piracy. downloading something off the nets is not piracy in its true form, its called leeching

 

[xxNathanxx]

lets turn it around...if someone gave me a shitty car (that's what you're considering piracy is, someone is giving something, that is sold for money, out for free) and you paid for the same shitty car from a dealer, that makes me a twat?! lol.

What kind of a retarded example is that?

1. The person who gave you the shitty car most likely paid for it.
2. Only one person gets the shitty car, and the person who gave the car to you doesn't get to keep it.
3. Why would you accept a shitty car, let alone buy it?

 

[BORTZ]

I pirate. Only the easy stuff haha. Like DS, GBA, and other things that can be emulated easily (NES, SNES, SEGA, etc).

Ive downloaded a few game for the wii, but its way easier to buy, rent, or borrow from a friend and just rip them to my drive.

I guess i pirate cause of then high i get from modding a console or handheld and just watching things "work". I end up hording alot of games that ill never play and it kinda makes me sad. So right now im going back and playing some of my favorites before moving on to some new ones.

 

[Eerpow]

Piracy is for losers. If you're in a position where you can't afford games (or records or books or whatever) and you resort to piracy, you suck. Maybe you should use the time you spend playing pirated video games to think of ways to improve your life, or at the very least your wage. Do you NEED that PS3 game? Do you NEED that episode? Do you NEED that album? Of course not. They might be nice extras that make you feel good for a minute but in the end you could have spent the time you spent playing the game doing something more useful which would actually allow you to spend more time playing games in the future (and would allow you to pay for said games).

If you have the money to afford everything you want but still resort to piracy, you're a complete twat.

I'm a loser for having a poor family? It's extremely hard to find a job here and it's not like I have time either between school and being with my family.
I don't have a dad so there's a lot of things I have to help out with at home.
I'm a uni student and while I do buy stuff I also pirate. Entertainment isn't cheap and I have other priorities than spending money on games, like getting a drivers license and a car for example. The driver licenses here are insanely expensive.

And yes, I do WANT those games, that album whatever. I already have somewhere to live and food on my table. It's not like I can do much more than what I'm already doing. Life just isn't that simple, work opportunities in Sweden are at an all time low and not only that but I prefer to continue studying full time rather than having to work at the same time. I'm only 19 and there's only so much I can do.
Do something else! you might say.
Well I play more guitar than I play games nowadays but it's nice to be able to do both. I'm more than happy that I can have some variety in my spare time instead of being stuck with the same games I already played and the same movies I already watched. Those aren't necessities I agree, but they are sure nice things to have.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I pirate and I honestly don't see it affecting me one bit. Games in AUS cost way to much anyway and its not the game's fault its the retailer's but they will never stop overcharging and drop their prices to a reasonable one.

 

[JulietStMoon]

Guys, let's cool down a bit. Like I said, feel free to share your opinions of piracy (regardless of what they are), but let's try to refrain from insulting each other or calling each other twats and the like. You can still say piracy is a terrible thing and say there's no excuse if you wish, without resorting to name-calling.

are you even putting off try-before-you-buy?

Who, me? Honestly, I'm not sure at this point. For the past month, I haven't pirated really, mostly since I've had so many legitimate games to play. Also, I got tired of dealing with piracy. I'm tired of dealing with update patches and battery drain on the SuperCard DSTwo, And I'm tired of the incompatibilities and slowdown of using emulators for legacy consoles and handhelds. And though there's no real "disadvantage" to pirating WiiWare and VC for the Wii, if I'm going to cut the rest of my piracy, might as well cut that too and stay clean, on principle. You know what I mean?

Anyway, I'm definitely not pirating DS or WiiWare anymore (the only current-gen games that I really ever pirated), but I'm not sure about legacy consoles. On one hand, I don't see how I'm hurting anyone if the original company isn't making money since they're not selling them anymore. That said, companies like Nintendo do sell many games as virtual console, which I never owned even in their original form. I'm thinking that my personal rule will be that if I own at least one "license" to a game, then I'm fine with emulating it on other mediums. Id est, if I own a copy of Super Metroid for either the SNES or Wii VC, then I see no problem with emulating it for free on PC or smartphone (assuming that I'm being honest and only keeping the legitimate copy to myself).

Lately I've actually started buying DS games and NES and GB favorites on the 3DS eShop. It's nice to have the stability of a Nintendo-licensed emulator along with some of the benefits of unlicensed ones, like save states. And those save states are limited, so you're less tempted to cheat (another thing I disliked with pirating). And in all honesty, it just feels GOOD to know that I have the games legally.

As for your question about try-before-you-buy... well, yeah, sure. I'm going to start a retro collection of NES and SNES games, and I'll definitely be testing games out via emulator for about 20 minutes to see if I really like them (especially since SNES games can be so expensive!). Same with DS games and WiiWare. But that's about it.

 

[xxNathanxx]

I'm a loser for having a poor family? It's extremely hard to find a job here and it's not like I have time either between school and being with my family.

I didn't say you're a loser if you're poor, I said you're a loser if you pirate (for any reason), learn to read.

And yes, I do WANT those games, that album whatever.

I said 'NEED', not 'WANT'.

I already have somewhere to live and food on my table. It's not like I can do much more than what I'm already doing. Life just isn't that simple, work opportunities in Sweden are at an all time low and not only that but I prefer to continue studying full time rather than having to work at the same time. I'm only 19 and there's only so much I can do.

Note how this contradicts your earlier statement of WANTing those games, that album, etc.

Simply because work opportunities are at a low doesn't mean you can't make a little effort to get a job at your local grocery. If you don't want to work (yet), that's fine, but you shouldn't feel entitled to own every game/album for no cost whatsoever.

Those aren't necessities I agree, but they are sure nice things to have.

So, simply because they are nice things to have makes it okay to not pay for them?

 

[nryn99]

6 for me. I can't buy some games, and I can pirate.

GUISE we have an elitist here.

 

[Arm73]

Well, I pirate because....I can.
Honestly,once you got the knowledge and the know-how-to, it's not something that you can ignore.

Why should I buy Bioshock when I know exactly how to get it for free ? And why should I ? Throw more money at an hobby that I spent already a fortune on during the years.
Sure, I feel a little bad about it, especially when pirating games from small, talented developers that are always on the verge of failing, but like I said, it's not something I can ignore.

I fuel the industry anyway, by buying consoles, PCs, controllers, cases, gaming mousses, and even sitting trough advertising when watching game reviews and articles.
Now I'm glad the 3DS ( and the Wii U for that matter ) isn't hacked yet, because I have to buy the occasional games I really enjoy.
I don't see any problem with that either, if I cannot afford it new, I'll wait a few months and get is second hand or discounted.
Everything is possible.

But let's say I'm looking for Fifa 13 for the Wii.....why even bother to go chase down a copy at the local store, when with my 25 Mbps connection I can download it, install it on my external WD and play it on my hacked Wii within half an hour ?
Like I said, it's not my fault things got that easy.

When the day comes that piracy will be annihilated, or made it very difficult or impossible , I'll find a way to afford my games, but until then.....would you pay for an Hot Dog if you can get one for free around the corner ?

 

[emigre]

. Also, I got tired of dealing with piracy. I'm tired of dealing with update patches and battery drain on the SuperCard DSTwo, And I'm tired of the incompatibilities and slowdown of using emulators for legacy consoles and handhelds. And though there's no real "disadvantage" to pirating WiiWare and VC for the Wii, if I'm going to cut the rest of my piracy, might as well cut that too and stay clean, on principle. You know what I mean?

Hmph casual weak hearted pirate.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I didn't say you're a loser if you're poor, I said you're a loser if you pirate (for any reason), learn to read.

So since you said it, it must be true?

Get off your high horse and see that normal everyday good people pirate stuff, its not like they're going out and murdering people.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

Piracy is wrong in most cases (new games for example). But it is a minor sin, it will not make people suffer, It will not keep the devs always for their living (as many say). It will reduce profit for huge companies, and may discourage great invest in putting money on that kind of company, and that's all. I dont see any problem on that for the present or future of gaming.

Beside that, why should I send money away from my wallet to give to richer people? (yes, I like Robin Hood )

 

[JulietStMoon]

Hmph casual weak hearted pirate.

Oh, emigre. Never change!

why should I send money away from my wallet to give to richer people? (yes, I like Robin Hood )

For the sake of playing devil's advocate here, often the only reason they got rich in the first place is because most people DIDN'T think that way.

 

[Eerpow]

I didn't say you're a loser if you're poor, I said you're a loser if you pirate (for any reason), learn to read.


I said 'NEED', not 'WANT'.


Note how this contradicts your earlier statement of WANTing those games, that album, etc.

Simply because work opportunities are at a low doesn't mean you can't make a little effort to get a job at your local grocery. If you don't want to work (yet), that's fine, but you shouldn't feel entitled to own every game/album for no cost whatsoever.


So, simply because they are nice things to have makes it okay to not pay for them?

And I pirate because I'm poor, see how those things are related? That's why I assumed that I'm a loser too.
I wrote WANT because I agree that it isn't something I need as I explained in my post. And no I didn't contradict anything, I said that even if work and time for work was available I would still choose to study full time. And really it isn't as simple as going to the grocery store asking if there's something I can help them with. Work hours would coincide with school hours and I don't even have a fucking car to get anywhere yet. It really is that horrible when it comes to work opportunities, I tried last summer to find something without luck. Hence why I'm partially pirating.

And no I don't feel entitled to own that kind of entertainment, but I'm able to and really why shouldn't I take advantage? No one is losing anything, I already buy things I can afford anyway.
I'm just saying that I'm not agreeing with you that all pirates are egocentric losers.(I really don't think any kind of pirate is that but that's besides the point)
Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

 

[DCG]

@Nathan.

1: plz use the bloody edit button.....
2: maybe he'd like to spend some of the free time he has with games (pirated or not), and study full time ( so he has more time to study, thus increasing his chances of graduating).
when he gets a (well paid ) job, he will earn enough money to buy 3 coppies of every game (and the morgage, food etc.).

 

[xxNathanxx]

So since you said it, it must be true?

Get off your high horse and see that normal everyday good people pirate stuff, its not like they're going out and murdering people.

They are keeping people from the money that rightfully belongs to them for the work they put into the game/album/movie/book they created. For huge record labels (etc) this isn't a (huge) problem, but for the smaller ones - and for the artists - this is a problem. How are they supposed to earn money when you don't pay for their work?

 

[Just Another Gamer]

For the sake of playing devil's advocate here, often the only reason they got rich in the first place is because most people DIDN'T think that way.

That and piracy often doesn't affect any industry that much really, it might mean a little bit of drop in profits but overall they still make a lot of money regardless.

 

[Hyro-Sama]

I pirate with pride.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

They are keeping people from the money that rightfully belongs to them for the work they put into the game/album/movie/book they created. For huge record labels (etc) this isn't a (huge) problem, but for the smaller ones - and for the artists - this is a problem. How are they supposed to earn money when you don't pay for their work?

Piracy doesn't affect any industry as much as the public perception come to assume and alot of indie games are priced reasonably which is why I would be happy to buy them so I don't think those smaller artists need to worry but its when devs/artists or whatever seem to think they can slap on any price tag they want and get away with it then makes people rather pirate then buy the product.