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You're not wrong there, but that wasn't related the point i was trying to make. I guess more options available the better.
It's somewhat related. The library of Gamepass / PS Plus / etc games isn't permanent, games get rotated out all the time and then you're boned.
 
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It's somewhat related. The library of Gamepass / PS Plus / etc games isn't permanent, games get rotated out all the time and then you're boned.
Yea sure, but not my point. If i want to rent a game, means i'll play it and move on, i don't care if it gets removed from the library next month or whatever after im done with it. Alternatively, yes, the option to own a game digitally should remain, if i like a game and want to own it, the option for doing that should be available. dassit!
 
Yea sure, but not my point. If i want to rent a game, means i'll play it and move on, i don't care if it gets removed from the library next month or whatever after im done with it. Alternatively, yes, the option to own a game digitally should remain, if i like a game and want to own it, the option for doing that should be available. dassit!
Ah, OK, got it. If you're renting it and then moving on then that's fine, and I agree with the gamepass approach. I would also add that if what Ubisoft offers is game rental and not ownership, then games should cost $5 and not $100 like they do.
 
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then games should cost $5 and not $100 like they do
I haven't checked how they have their subscription model set as, but if you get to "rent" their games individually instead of the whole Ubisoft library as the only available option, then it's BS imo.
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I haven't checked how they have their subscription model set as, but if you get to "rent" their games individually instead of the whole Ubisoft library as the only available option, then it's BS imo.
Sorry, I was talking in general. Combined the "mandatory always online" and digital distribution and publisher-dependent multiplayer and games as a software license and everything into one rant.
 
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Theft of services :tpi:
Are you saying that piracy is theft of services? The meme didn't work, that's all.

Nothing can top "you wouldn't download a car" when it comes to piracy.

Anywho, if videogame publishers go to the interactive broadcasting route, we'll need some AI emulation to help record our programs for access at a future date.
 
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Then you could make that argument and say all piracy isn't theft even without the silly bit about "if buying it isn't owning"
Internet memes rumbling about fail at capturing complex interrelations.

Big problem when comparing physical things(!) to immaterial …well… not really things.
That is the reason something like copyright (and related: patents) had to be invented. The simple(?) rules about legal status regarding physical property cannot be applied on intellectual output – the latter being easily copied without taking away the original.

In colloquial expression it is clear why many say "piracy = theft". But it is in fact not the same thing, because theft actually means taking something away. Similar would be fare dodging: Nothing gets stolen.
Piracy is not theft. But still illegal!

If renting a car is not owning

Then stealing a car is not theft

5 million IQ logic
Problem with digital storefronts are their 1000 pages of fine print ("TOS") you absolutely and actively agreed on after understanding every juristic expression and trick (which most lawyers will not be able to).
They use the word "buy" for immaterial works… and then try to hide the fact that buying is not guaranteed that the immaterial product will be available for you permanently.
Renting or subscriptions are something different. And this is sadly becoming the norm regarding software (for example – hope to remember that correctly – Adobe Creative Suite cannot be bought anymore)
The juristic implications ("What may legally be [hidden] in TOS?") will vary among different jurisdictions.

If they use the word "rent" or "paid subscription" and mention a time limit before payment it is okay. If they say "buy"… well it will better be permanent without any loopholes.
 
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