thaddius' Console Roast 2014 Edition - Round 11

Discussion in 'General Gaming Discussion' started by thaddius, May 1, 2014.


Worst Console of the Seventh Generation

Poll closed May 8, 2014.
  1. The Xbox 360

    290 vote(s)
  2. The Nintendo Wii

    121 vote(s)
  3. The PlayStation 3

    115 vote(s)
  1. thaddius

    thaddius Charmander is not pleased.

    May 5, 2008
    Welcome back to thaddius’ Console Roast 2014 Edition. For those of you who are not aware this is a poll where you, the GBATemp user, get to vote on what GBATemp thinks is the worst console ever is. For more information check out the Rules section below.

    Back again! So who 'won' last week? Well the winner is none other than:
    The GamePark Wiz and Caanoo! Congratulations, GamePark! I must say I'm surprised GBATemp. I would have voted for the Pandora, although there are some hard feelings there.

    So yeah, the Wiz and the Caanoo were pretty decent systems, but y'all didn't like them for some reason.

    At least the brain dead individuals who voted for the DS and PSP weren't voting in larger numbers, right?

    For more information check out last week's thread here.

    So, before we move on to the next round, how's about some rules?

    Warning: Spoilers inside!
    Enough of that crap, time to get started!

    Do we have to do this? The Seventh Generation on consoles is pretty bare, and I have a feeling I know how it’s going to go. I don’t like it one bit… Well at least it’ll be over soon.

    This generation was known for two things: 1) ushering in the supposed HD revolution, and 2) motion controls. Somehow both were a big deal, don’t ask me why.

    Yes, the hallmarks of this generation was everyone having to get new TVs and get their lazy asses off of the couch for once.

    Say what you will about either trend, they’ve become ubiquitous.

    Now let us meet this week’s crew.

    This Week's Challengers are:

    The Microsoft Xbox 360
    Microsoft strutted confidently into the Seventh Generation early with the Xbox 360. Seemingly hot on the heels of the original Xbox, the 360 would integrate online gameplay like no console seen before it.

    While this console was capable of playing media off of DVDs, it had an interesting component in that you could now download digital games onto your hard drive (if you had one, that is). But would people willingly forgo physical media for a license that could be revoked from them at any time? I wonder how that will pan out…

    The 360 is credited with having one of the most robust controllers ever, and (aside from the d-pad) your humble author might just have to agree.

    Now despite all this fancy-dancy stuff a bunch of it was overshadowed by a glaring issue: hardware failures. Early models had a propensity to overheat and cause catastrophic hardware failures that were represented via the 360’s ringed light indication system as three red lights, aka The Red Ring of Death. MS was quick to replace any console suffering from it at no extra cost, but eventually would drop the courteous practise and leave users out twisting in the wind.

    Yours truly (and faithfully ;)) has gone through four 360s so far, three of which had RRODs, the last one occurring mere months after MS stopped the practise of replacing 360s. I had to open the thing myself and repair it; not something I often expect to do with my consoles.

    The 360 also ushered in the trend of obnoxious (but useful) updates to the system’s firmware. Primarily a method of deterring piracy MS effectively used it to update the system’s features throughout its lifetime to ensure it would stay relevant.

    And of course, what would the internet enabled console age be without DLC and patches, or as I like to call it, “We didn’t bother to try and fix all the bugs or finish the game, so we’ll just release it and fix all that stuff as we go along. Oh, and the DLC will more often than not cost a bit of coin”. I’m not well known for pithy descriptions of things.

    And who could forget the HD-DVD thing? An expensive add-on for the 360 that played a rather decent media, but as soon as Disney and the porn industry switched to BluRay HD-DVD was quickly abandoned and the 360 moved on to digital downloads and streaming. Luckily that was enough.

    Last but not least we can’t talk about the 360 without talking about MS’ response to the Wii’s runaway success: The Kinect. Slap an array of motion analyzing IR sensors to a microphone with decent voice recognition software and you got yourself a motion gaming revolution that people mostly use to tell Netflix to pause their video.

    The Nintendo Wii
    This console won the generation last time around when we did the ‘best’ consoles. I was rather surprised but not disappointed.

    The infamous ‘two Gamecube’s duct-taped together’, Nintendo released their gaming ‘Revolution’ to the world in 2007 and changed the way we play games. Seriously, it did.

    Completely ignoring the HD boom and focussing on what would be panned as gimmicky controls, the Wii used a very interested amalgam of old tech to make the Wii Remote controller - a device that could track arm movement and rotation as well as traditional digital/analogue button presses and control stick movements. This was such a novel idea that Sony and Microsoft, the two companies that seemed poised to absolutely destroy Nintendo, released their own motion control schemes in hopes of cashing in on the craze.

    As we keep hearing over and over again every time Nintendo releases anything these days, the rabid ‘haters’ touted the end of Nintendo as we know it, chanting loudly that its demise would resemble that of SEGA. And you know what? It sold very, very well despite being an underpowered, mostly standard definition game box with no BluRay, HD-DVD, or even lowly DVD playback. How the hell did this compete against two media centre game consoles and stay relevant?

    Nintendo obviously released some of the better selling games for the system, but its use of old tech in new ways allowed a number of people to experiment. This is the system that churned out titles like Boom Blox and No More Heroes - casual and hardcore games alike that used these wacky new control schemes to their credit. And Metroid Prime 3: Corruption/Metroid Prime Trilogy’s controls scheme? Awesome.

    Nintendo did create a lot of confusion with the release of the Wii Motion Plus upgrade to make their motion tracking a little more accurate. Ultimately its release allowed for games like The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. Being able to actually swing Link’s sword in a relevant way made this game stand out.

    And Nintendo’s digital store would bring us the coveted Virtual Console where we could go and experience our favourite NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, ad infentum games, and even try a few we never got to own before. There were some other digital games on their service too but, with a few exceptions, you mostly never hear about anything from there.

    With the good comes the bad though, and the Wii was flooded with poor quality games, enough to leave third parties gasping for profit once again on a Nintendo platform.

    The Wii would eventually become a homebrewer’s dream and we would see some ingenious hacks and programs for the system.

    All in all the Wii is not a terrible system, but its relevance soon dropped off the map. I wonder if it’s enough to make this a paradoxical winner of both the Console Classic and Roast this generation.

    The Sony PlayStation 3
    Sony released the PS3 in 2007 and leaped into the waiting arms of their rabid fan base only to find that both the steep launch price of $499US (for the cheap model…) and what is probably the worst launch lineup I’ve ever seen sent everyone else into the beds of Microsoft and Nintendo at first.

    Sony would try to mirror the success of the PS2 and bank on a new proprietary media (not the first or last time you’ll hear this about a Sony system) for playing movies. This time the BluRay would save them from their launch troubles.

    While BluRay eventually trounced HD-DVD it hardly had people running for PS3s as cheap BluRay machines when vanilla BluRay players started to drop in price. Also digital streaming has become much more important somehow.

    Sony would have to wait for less shovelware-like titles to be released for the system, a price drop, and the re-inclusion of rumble in their controllers (something that was conspicuously missing from the original SixAxis and we were told was not possible with gyro controls even though the Wii had it) before sales started to pick up to a rate on par with the other two systems.

    After panning the Wii’s motion controls as a “lolly pop” Sony would go on to to release their own motion controllers that would strongly resemble lolly pops. The PlayStation Move would be largely ignored by the public as an expensive add-on that would only be necessary for a handful of titles. Personally I believe it to be a kamikaze product that Sony would have embraced if it actually caught on.

    One aspect of the PS3 that still bothers me to this day is the PS2 backwards compatibility debacle. Initially PS3 consoles had hardware based backwards compatibility, but as this contributed to the cost of the console, it would eventually opt for software based compatibility, and then ultimately no backwards compatibility. With the PS2 being rebranded as a Wii competitor PS2 BC on the PS3 would only detract from sales. And when Sony started releasing PS2 Classic titles on their PSN digital service I knew that we would never get that patch that allowed for ubiquitous software based BC.

    Well there you have it. A generation I'm not going to pad with Wii clones. Now that I think of it I could have done the OnLive (although it could be argued it's not really a console) and maybe a few others, but whoever wins this round will probably not make it on to the next one so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I certainly hope you guys don't either.

    So yeah, cast your votes and remember to not take anything said here too personally. Also don't attack people personally. This one got ugly last time.

    Peace out!

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    Warning: Spoilers inside!
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  2. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

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    Sep 13, 2009
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    Dis gon b gud. :rofl2:
  3. Gahars

    Gahars Bakayaro Banzai

    Aug 5, 2011
    United States
    New Jersey
    I'm going with the Nintendo Wii.

    "What a shock!" I hear you cry. I know, I know, it's quite unexpected, but hear me out.

    I hate motion controls. They're fine for party games and minigame collections, but horrible for just about anything else. They're just unwieldy, finicky, and imprecise. They're distracting, something a controller should never be, and to me, the gimmick lost its appeal very quickly. Even games that overcame this hurdle (like SMG, for instance) would've been much better served with a standard controller.

    Plus, the Wii's library was rather... well, it was a modern Nintendo console. There were some fine Nintendo titles and little else. If you're not a fan of all the Nintendo franchises, then there really isn't much appeal at all.

    The less said about its online capabilities, the better.

    Plus, it has Other M, which taints harder than my nether regions.

    Now, the other consoles had their fair share of problems. The 360, of course, had the Red Ring of Death shenanigans, and the first party library pretty much dried up after Alan Wake. The PS3 launched pretty awfully and had the online fiasco for a good while. Still, I feel like those systems ultimately had better game selection (first and third party) and better services, not to mention better controllers; for all the 360's problems, that pad is a work of art.

    So yeah. Wii it is. Fight me irl, chuckleheads.
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  4. DinohScene

    DinohScene Feed Dino to the Sharks

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    В небо
    Horrible horrible cooling design.
    Pretty sleek looking console tho.
    Masterwork of a controller and lovely faceplates <3

    Ugly bulky design.
    Quiet fans tho.
    Cheap feeling controller.

    Well I gots meself a new bathroom tile.
    Weird controller, innovative but weird.

    As for the games.
    I spend a good time on the Wii.
    PS3 I specifically got for Ni No Kuni and Okami HD.
    360 was me main console anyway.

    I'd almost say 360 for it's overload of shit FPS and it being the main console for COD but the Wii just lacks in 3rd party support.
    Sorry, but you dun have that many flaws.

    Wii it is!
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  5. chavosaur

    chavosaur Austin Trujillo

    Mar 11, 2012
    United States
    Huntersville, NC
    Fuck. I know exactly how this is going to go.
    Well I myself garnered the most fun out of the 360 in this gen. I attribute it as one of my favorite consoles of all Time, and it was the beginning of my Achievement Hunting era. I love the Xbox so it won't take my vote.

    Nintendo's Wii was a very family oriented system with a ton of fun games that I go back and play all the time so it won't take my vote.

    The playstation 3 was a console I kind of skipped over this generation, but ended up getting into at the end of its life cycle. Te Last of Us was the first game I played and it was astounding. Playing more into its library I found a ton of games I really enjoyed and it's a solid system. So t won't take my vote.

    My point for this gen, is that I refuse to vote for this generation. I found all consoles to be utterly fantastic in their own ways and I'm glad I own all 3.

    There's no way in hell I could choose.

    That being said, I have a terrible feeling how this voting will go.
  6. Taleweaver

    Taleweaver Storywriter

    Dec 23, 2009
    Belgium beat me to it. :P do I have to vote for THIS one? I admit it: I just bought the wii because of the movement thing. It's still fun at times. And it's still the cheapest console with some quality games on it. Oh, and hacking is a piece of cake.

    On the other two...really, can ANYONE tell me a difference between these two? Sure, ported games were nothing new, but I sort of feel like the far majority is non-exclusives in this gen. Up to the point that the few games are the ONLY reason you go for one over the other.
    Okay, that's not entirely true. When I finally decided to buy one of those, it was the xbox's controller that gave the final push in that direction (not that it's THAT much better...but slightly better is still better :P ).

    Same here: I voted for the PS3 for worst because it's the only one I don't have. But if there was an option for a draw between xbox360 and PS3, that would have been my real vote.
  7. GameWinner

    GameWinner Take your heart

    Jun 14, 2009
    United States
    So, we're finally here.
    Let's see, PS3 was my main console of choice last gen...hell, it's still my main console with Persona 5 coming.
    I've owned a 360 for a while but ended up selling it since I wasn't that interested in it. I loved my Wii...for the first few years before I put it in my closet
    never to be played again.
    Probably going with 360 on this one..or Wii... DECISIONS!
  8. T-hug

    T-hug Always like this.

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    Oct 24, 2002
    For me it was the 360 > PS3 > Wii.
    I've played every single exclusive from lastgen!
  9. TecXero

    TecXero Technovert

    Apr 13, 2014
    United States
    I had to choose PS3. Both the PS3 and 360 had heating problems early on, and the early Wiis shipped with a faulty disc drive that could fail when it came to the DL DVDs. PS3, though, had a bit too complicated architecture setup, compared to the other two systems. Don't get me wrong, it's my most favorite console of the last generation, but looking at the hardware when it first came out, not only did it have hardware problems, but it took a while for games to come to it. Even then, usually the PS3 ports were worse than the 360 ports early on. Towards the end of its lifespan, it did really come into its own, though.
  10. TheCasketMan

    TheCasketMan Keyblade Apprentice

    Sep 3, 2011
    United States
    Orlando, FL
    Voted for the Wii. It was basically a Gamecube 2.0 with gimmicky motion controls. The worse Nintendo console in my opinion. Horrible control, barely any 3rd party support, bad online, the few 3rd party games were shovel-ware except Sonic Colors and Madworld, only 1 "good" Metroid game, too casual, and weaker specs from the other 2 consoles by miles(at least the GameCube had similar specs to the PS2 and Xbox). It still had its 1st party games as usual.

    The PS3 seemed expensive at first, but it was actually the cheapest blu-ray player released at that time with free online play that wasn't so bad. With games, it started slow, but as time went on, there was a non-stop plethora of AAA games like Uncharted, LBP, Infamous, God of War, TLOU, Sly 4, Heavy Rain, Ni no Kuni, Demon Souls, Resistance, etc. The list goes on right now with Persona 5 & more.

    The 360 started as an excellent console with excellent games, superior 3rd party games, and superior online service/community; it was on the verge of annihilating the PS3, but then they committed the same mistake as the Wii; they went too casual with their games and Kinect, half way through the gen, and the PS3 raced past them and ended up ended selling more PS3 systems world-wide despite its higher price.
  11. mightymuffy

    mightymuffy fatbaldpieeater

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    Wigan, land of the Pies
    Once you soft mod a Wii it becomes one almighty piece of gaming entertainment! But that's not the question here really.... and if you have the means you can mod the other two and they'll provide quite a lot of what the Wii can do anyway.

    3 FANTASTIC games machines, all worth every penny I've spent on them, but there's only one worst when you ignore that 'soft modded' thingy = Wii, despite giving me countless hours of enjoyment, and will almost certainly remain the ultimate games machine for parties, no question!
  12. WiiCube_2013

    WiiCube_2013 GBAtemp Guru

    Oct 19, 2013
    Gaza Strip
    I voted for the Wii because while it has a lot of great exclusives I highly enjoy when comparing it to 360 and PS3, they both had more games to choose from because the majority of Wii's library is made up of shovelware.

    As for the eighth gen worst console that'll be Xbox One.
  13. matpower

    matpower A Hero of Justice

    May 5, 2012
    So we finally got to this point, huh? *insert some master race joke here*
    I owned every console from this gen, I played my Wii more than the other consoles, I enjoyed playing my PS3 too, but the X360? Nope, most games that were released for it were released on the PS3 and 1st parties/other populars games are FPS, I don't really like them. Also Xbox Live sucks, it was paid and filled with "UR MUM!" 10 years old kid. Later, I did RGH expecting better emulators to replace my now-dead Xbox 1, in the end, it wasn't worth and I moved my emulators to my Wii.
    My vote is on X360.
    (But let's be honest, this generation had great consoles, it is hard to pick the worst one)
  14. calmwaters

    calmwaters Cat's best friend

    May 27, 2013
    United States
    happy land
    First off, they're not motion controls. I don't even know what the hell that means, anyway. If you mean controls that allow motion, then might I recommend the Silver GameCube Controller? There are joysticks and buttons which allow for in game motion. Secondly, games that used the Remote and Nunchuk would free yourself from the couch, which was what made the Wii unique. I have seen gamers sit on the couch or a recliner and play games for many hours. Now some people get tired (there are warning messages in instruction manuals about this), but they don't want to stop playing because the experience is so immersive. It's nice to be able to get up and stretch without worrying about yanking the controller out of its socket, etc. But I voted for the Wii because it was the successor to the GameCube (which wasn't very well received... go figure) and then as time went on, the games became crappier and crappier.

    I don't blame Nintendo for allowing developers to release such crappy titles on their system as much as I blame the developers for creating such crappy titles in the first place. It's almost as if the developers believed I didn't deserve a quality gaming experience because I had a Nintendo. And then came the myth that the Wii became a console exclusively for families because of its simple control scheme. This was enough to ruin the Wii nearly to the brink of extinction. I stopped getting games because there were no good ones to play; my tolerance for shovelware only goes so far.

    The only thing thing that went bad for Microsoft was the Kinect and the eventual deterioration of Xbox Live. Sony saw the Move and the hacking of the PSN. At least those're my reasons for their failure.
    Got nothing actually worth reading to say? Or are you trying to stay clear of the inevitable flame war which will shortly ensue?
  15. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

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    I'm looking forward to it, especially since I'm having a hard time picking the worst one since all three have good stuff to offer. :)
  16. WiiCube_2013

    WiiCube_2013 GBAtemp Guru

    Oct 19, 2013
    Gaza Strip
    It's not that the Wii lacked third party support the games were just overall crap due to being unwanted shovelware bs.

    For a large majority of the time I used my Xbox 360 to watch MP4/AVI videos and YouTube but since I "hacked" my HDTV I no longer have to boot the 360 for such thing.

    Exclusives: Wii > PS3 > 360
    HD-ness: PS3 > 360 > Wii (it's not HD really, more so like NGC 2.0)
    Shovelware: Wii > 360 > PS3
    Hardware: PS3 > 360 > Wii

    Overall it comes down to this for me:
    Wii pros: 1
    Wii cons: 3

    Personally I don't really care about the hardware but when comparing to the PS3 and 360 yeah it's inferior.

    I've never had my 360 go RRoD on me but that's because I bought the Slim edition which is silent and runs smoothly although when I use my PS3 60GB that thing sounds like a jet although there are times when it's somewhat quiet too.
  17. thaddius

    thaddius Charmander is not pleased.

    May 5, 2008
    As usual I'm only going to vote in the event of a tie, but so far that hasn't happened!

    When it comes down to it I would rather vote for the one I had the least fun with.

    I didn't mention it in my description (they were all getting a bit too long anyway) but Sony removing Linux support rubbed me the wrong way, and the subsequent security breach turned me off of playing it altogether. The only reason I use the PS3 these days is as a Vita game depository so I don't have to keep downloading my games. For that reason I'd vote for the PS3.

    The Wii and 360 were my primary source of gaming for the majority of the generation, and I have 50+ games for each. The PS3 on the other hand only convinced me to buy 6 games for my collection.

    Sorry PS3. It doesn't mean your a bad system, it just means I'm not not as fond of you as I am the others.
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  18. BORTZ

    BORTZ Tired of being the good guy

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    I feel i must weigh in here. I went though stages with all the last gen consoles.

    The first was the Wii. Being a very large Nintendo gaming growing up and though highschool, the Wii was the one for me. I loved the games, the ideas they brought to the table and the design. The problem that I didnt start having till much more recently is the lack of HD. After I softmodded it, the wii became the emulation powerhouse and free games central for me. That thing has seen many hours of use.

    After a while i started playing my roommates 360s and after college was left with no 360 of my own. It was really difficult to justify to myself to buy a console that seems to deliberately sabotage itself after a few years of gaming. That aside, I sucked it up and got a slim. I had it for a little over a year and a half and am currently looking to sell it. The games are fine, but I just dont care to play on a shiz system. I basically have to vote 360 this round, despite sale numbers and success it saw in the west. I cannot see past the hardware failure issue. How can a company think that is an acceptable business model? I uderstand a generation or 2 of parts doing that, but for years and years? no.

    And just last week I got a PS3 and everything seems like it should feel. I am sad I didn't get one soon and tell my friends to piss into the wind when the convinced me to get a 360 a few years back.
  19. Veho

    Veho The man who cried "Ni".

    Former Staff
    Apr 4, 2006
    All your previous roasts featured at least one oddball console from left field in addition to the well-known big boys, I was expecting you to unearth some obscure box to list alongside the big three. I am disappoint.
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  20. tbgtbg

    tbgtbg Shaking the ring ropes up in the sky

    Nov 27, 2006
    United States
    Going with 360 solely for the RROD issues.

    Yeah, should've thrown the Sega Firecore in there or something. :ha: