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Gaming sysnand 12 / emunand 11 issue

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I have a fresh sd card, with nothing installed on it.

I updated the firmware on my sysnand to 12 on accident, but that works now with atmosphere supporting it. Gamecard slot works fine there.

The issue is on my emunand, the gamecard slot does not work. Annnd I don't have anything else installed, so I can't get into the homebrew menu.

Not really sure on what to do with the emunand situation. Any thoughts would be great!

Thanks!
 
Updating to 12.0.0 burns the lotus fuse. You can never use gamecarts on any firmware below that again. Use the album to access the homebrew menu and install an app to use for the future
 
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I didn't know the album is supposed to open it as well, thanks for that info! I'm fine with not downgrading.

Unfortunately, this isn't working. It's just bringing me to the album. Holding R or other buttons isn't working either.

I see somewhere people are talking about a loader.ini file, but I do not see that in the atmosphere folders at all. :/
 
bingkird said:
I didn't know the album is supposed to open it as well, thanks for that info! I'm fine with not downgrading.

Unfortunately, this isn't working. It's just bringing me to the album. Holding R or other buttons isn't working either.

I see somewhere people are talking about a loader.ini file, but I do not see that in the atmosphere folders at all. :/
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Hmm I have a clean atmosphere download and its working for me without holding anything. Did you get atmosphere from the github?
 
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Definitely noted. I just copied the folder over from github and it worked perfect.

Appreciate all the help! :)
 
Ibcap said:
Updating to 12.0.0 burns the lotus fuse. You can never use gamecarts on any firmware below that again. Use the album to access the homebrew menu and install an app to use for the future
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So for educational purposes if you have a dualboot switch your sysnand drives the game cart so if it is higher than your emunand you cant use the game cart.
 
Goku1992A said:
So for educational purposes if you have a dualboot switch your sysnand drives the game cart so if it is higher than your emunand you cant use the game cart.
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Only certain firmwares (4.0.0, 9.0.0, 11.0.0 and 12.0.0) burn the lotus fuse. If you have a sysnand on/above any of those and an emunand below, then the emunand will not be able to use gamecarts. The sysnand doesnt necessarily drive the gamecart, you could do it in reverse and have your emunand on 12.0.0, burn the fuse, and then it can use gamecarts but your 11.0.1 sysnand could not.
 
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Ibcap said:
Only certain firmwares (4.0.0, 9.0.0, 11.0.0 and 12.0.0) burn the lotus fuse. If you have a sysnand on/above any of those and an emunand below, then the emunand will not be able to use gamecarts. The sysnand doesnt necessarily drive the gamecart, you could do it in reverse and have your emunand on 12.0.0, burn the fuse, and then it can use gamecarts but your 11.0.1 sysnand could not.
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Ahh okay I understand my sysnand is on 9.0.1 but my emunand is on 11.0.1 I only update my emudand but my sysnand
 
Ibcap said:
Only certain firmwares (4.0.0, 9.0.0, 11.0.0 and 12.0.0) burn the lotus fuse. If you have a sysnand on/above any of those and an emunand below, then the emunand will not be able to use gamecarts. The sysnand doesnt necessarily drive the gamecart, you could do it in reverse and have your emunand on 12.0.0, burn the fuse, and then it can use gamecarts but your 11.0.1 sysnand could not.
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Isn't there any way to prevent this behavior and make emunand a completely separate entity from the sysnand like it is supposed to be?
 
mspy said:
Isn't there any way to prevent this behavior and make emunand a completely separate entity from the sysnand like it is supposed to be?
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No, emunand and sysnand act as separate entities in software. However they obviously use the same hardware, so stuff thats hardware dependent such as fuses and bans are carried between them
 
Ibcap said:
No, emunand and sysnand act as separate entities in software. However they obviously use the same hardware, so stuff thats hardware dependent such as fuses and bans are carried between them
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Pardon my noobness, but if we already can update the 'normal' nintendo switch firmware without burning any fuses (literally tricking the system) why would it not be possible to also update the 'gamecard' firmware without burning any type of fuses attached to it as well? (unless the gamecard firmware is not a typical firmware per se, I dunno)
 
mspy said:
Pardon my noobness, but if we already can update the 'normal' nintendo switch firmware without burning any fuses (literally tricking the system) why would it not be possible to also update the 'gamecard' firmware without burning any type of fuses attached to it as well? (unless the gamecard firmware is not a typical firmware per se, I dunno)
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In theory it is possible but scires has said before he has no intentions of messing with lotus iirc because it opens the possibility of flashcarts.
 
Ibcap said:
In theory it is possible but scires has said before he has no intentions of messing with lotus iirc because it opens the possibility of flashcarts.
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I don't get why would flashcarts be such a bad thing to have, if piracy is the concern, well the floodgates are already open...
 
Goku1992A said:
Thats crazy it's a good thing I had bought my RCM Loaders before all this
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You can still use any computer or even your phone to inject any payload instead, granted that having a custom made RCM Loader may be convenient sometimes.
 
mspy said:
You can still use any computer or even your phone to inject any payload instead, granted that having a custom made RCM Loader may be convenient sometimes.
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The RCM Loader is the best I used the computer and my phone and sometimes it can be inconsistent. I paid $20 for 2 RCM loaders I had to wait like 6 weeks but it was worth it. My advice buy them while you still can before Nintendo shut it down
 
mspy said:
Pardon my noobness, but if we already can update the 'normal' nintendo switch firmware without burning any fuses (literally tricking the system) why would it not be possible to also update the 'gamecard' firmware without burning any type of fuses attached to it as well? (unless the gamecard firmware is not a typical firmware per se, I dunno)
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The lotus is chip on the board separate from the rest of the SoC and has its own bootrom etc that only accepts signed firmwares.
This chip seems to be actually well designed and likely has zero bugs, thus we cannot take it over and tell it to boot custom/modified firmwares.
Nobody’s looked into it because of the aforementioned piracy issues and the fact that hacking it is likely impossible.
 

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