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If you seen my TX counter points. You'll know the format. I bring a opinion, and then counter it. This time I'm talking about atmosphere and the community. As a reminder, this is to bring to light flawed arguments. And stop ATMOSPHERE IS SUPERIOR TO EVERYTHING.
And by showing flawed arguments, we can argue, at least, hopefully, a little bit more respectfully. Do note, I find a lot more flawed arguments with sx os than I do with atmosphere (due to my own biases). So as a request. Tell a flawed argument you've seen for atmosphere. I'll happily edit it in with the proper counter point. I'm someone of my word. I promised to look at both sides flaws. So I'm still going to do so. Even if my bias disagrees with it.
"SX OS is not worth anything. Go use (put cfw here)"
Again, worth is subjective, usually this argument is used after a person in support says it's worth their money. Which is a valid opinion if they feel that way.
"Atmosphere is better than SX OS"
Better, is again, subjective. There isn't any qualitative way of saying which cfw is "the best" Each has pro's and cons. And maybe the pro's in sx os out way the cons for that individual.
"It's easier to get, put cfw here. SX OS looses."
Easiness is again, subjective.
Counter point: Some people find it easier to use something they buy. Maybe they feel more comfortable in the hands of a company than the community. Which in itself is a valid point.
And or they strongly trust TX for a good product. Which that trust can be valid.
Or, and this is a big one. They like having everything in one place. While true some of us feel it easier to look around the community. SX OS users may feel it easier to just go to the same site, and grab the file and be done with everything.
"TX is morally wrong. You shouldn't be using their stuff"
Counter point: You yourself are also morally wrong if you use atmosphere. You break TOS just using cfw. Again, some people prefer a different custom firmware. Which again, is valid. If they want to use it. They can use it.
"NSPS are better in every way than XCI. NSPS/Atmosphere for the win"
Counter point: I intentionally left this out on the previous thread. And that was time of installation. A network install takes more time. And so XCI has the advantage, in both when it can be run, and setup. So in this case. A SX OS user would prefer time. Which a valid opinion. Which can make, and in this case, makes a xci superior to a NSP.
"EWW gross why do you use SX OS?"
So here is another point and that's timing. People, especially inexperienced people. don't want to deal with compiling code. And that's where release becomes important.
On the other thread I stated when someone releases something, it's packed into a bow tie. And SX OS was first to release, so why drop something that isn't broken if it already works.
Now I'm going to bring up one that requires both a sx os elitest and a atmosphere/community elitest.
"I don't care if the update is stolen code. It's still support." Sx os elitest
"It's not valid support because it's stolen. It's just reusing code from atmosphere!" community elites
Since there isn't any formal form of validity in regards to this. Both sides are actually correct here.
If we ignore that it is stole code, and look at it from a purely objective side. Then the TX boy is correct. It's still support. Looking at it from a moral and subjective view, the community boy is right, it's morally wrong support.
My point is, community boys need to stop attacking TX boys and vice versa. And we all just hopefully can agree together that switch modding is awesome objectively.
previous thread. https://gbatemp.net/threads/switch-sx-os-counter-points.517035/#post-8259734
And by showing flawed arguments, we can argue, at least, hopefully, a little bit more respectfully. Do note, I find a lot more flawed arguments with sx os than I do with atmosphere (due to my own biases). So as a request. Tell a flawed argument you've seen for atmosphere. I'll happily edit it in with the proper counter point. I'm someone of my word. I promised to look at both sides flaws. So I'm still going to do so. Even if my bias disagrees with it.
"SX OS is not worth anything. Go use (put cfw here)"
Again, worth is subjective, usually this argument is used after a person in support says it's worth their money. Which is a valid opinion if they feel that way.
"Atmosphere is better than SX OS"
Better, is again, subjective. There isn't any qualitative way of saying which cfw is "the best" Each has pro's and cons. And maybe the pro's in sx os out way the cons for that individual.
"It's easier to get, put cfw here. SX OS looses."
Easiness is again, subjective.
Counter point: Some people find it easier to use something they buy. Maybe they feel more comfortable in the hands of a company than the community. Which in itself is a valid point.
And or they strongly trust TX for a good product. Which that trust can be valid.
Or, and this is a big one. They like having everything in one place. While true some of us feel it easier to look around the community. SX OS users may feel it easier to just go to the same site, and grab the file and be done with everything.
"TX is morally wrong. You shouldn't be using their stuff"
Counter point: You yourself are also morally wrong if you use atmosphere. You break TOS just using cfw. Again, some people prefer a different custom firmware. Which again, is valid. If they want to use it. They can use it.
"NSPS are better in every way than XCI. NSPS/Atmosphere for the win"
Counter point: I intentionally left this out on the previous thread. And that was time of installation. A network install takes more time. And so XCI has the advantage, in both when it can be run, and setup. So in this case. A SX OS user would prefer time. Which a valid opinion. Which can make, and in this case, makes a xci superior to a NSP.
"EWW gross why do you use SX OS?"
So here is another point and that's timing. People, especially inexperienced people. don't want to deal with compiling code. And that's where release becomes important.
On the other thread I stated when someone releases something, it's packed into a bow tie. And SX OS was first to release, so why drop something that isn't broken if it already works.
Now I'm going to bring up one that requires both a sx os elitest and a atmosphere/community elitest.
"I don't care if the update is stolen code. It's still support." Sx os elitest
"It's not valid support because it's stolen. It's just reusing code from atmosphere!" community elites
Since there isn't any formal form of validity in regards to this. Both sides are actually correct here.
If we ignore that it is stole code, and look at it from a purely objective side. Then the TX boy is correct. It's still support. Looking at it from a moral and subjective view, the community boy is right, it's morally wrong support.
My point is, community boys need to stop attacking TX boys and vice versa. And we all just hopefully can agree together that switch modding is awesome objectively.
previous thread. https://gbatemp.net/threads/switch-sx-os-counter-points.517035/#post-8259734
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