Hacking supposed 3DS dev unit spotted on JPN Yahoo Auctions...

[karmasore]

Hi all,

While browsing the Japanese Yahoo Auction site for special edition 3DS packages, I came across an interesting auction. There seems to be a 3DS development unit for sale for 50,000 yen (roughly $620.00 USD). I don't know too much about these things. However, it is something that has sparked my curiosity.

What are the chances that this thing can read unsigned code? What kind of advantages to the homebrew scene would this provide?

Here's the link to the auction. Opening it in Google Chrome will give you an option to translate it to English if you need help reading it.

http://page.auctions...ction/159107597

 

[Janthran]

It can read unsigned code, but that doesn't do much for us with retail systems.

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

Uhh...I'm pretty sure there are people on the Temp who have one as well. It's nothing special, as Janthran says it won't help much with anything.

 

[karmasore]

Uhh...I'm pretty sure there are people on the Temp who have one as well. It's nothing special, as Janthran says it won't help much with anything.

Ah, I see. If that is the case, then I apologize for the redundant thread.

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

Oh no, it's still interesting and everything, I just wanted to get the "it won't do anything" out of the way before we get our usual wave of idiots in the 3DS Hacking Section. If anything I'd say this should be moved to the 3DS Console Discussion area! But...I'm not a Mod so I can do anything.

 

[YamiHoshi.nl]

It looks like they have peeled off that "Development Unit" sticker from the back.
Ah, they don't hold it so much, anyway.

 

[CollosalPokemon]

It can read unsigned code, but that doesn't do much for us with retail systems.

Nope. Not at all. That is an incorrect rumour.

The code IS signed. Judging by this unit I'd guess it's approximately SDK rev 0.14.21...maybe even a little bit earlier.
Normal developers can't import things to this is unit without a key guarded (slightly lower) than the retail key. In order to import to the rev you NEED that key. It's actually pretty difficult for developers to get even from Nintendo.

There are 2 (main) keys for developer systems:

1- The SD importing key (given to most every developer, ONLY works on units with more recent revisions)
2- The NAND importing key (given to TRUSTED developers, can import things to any unit/rev)

I doubt this seller is including the NAND key, and much less the SDK, so GL to the buyer getting both of those.

 

[Janthran]

It can read unsigned code, but that doesn't do much for us with retail systems.

Nope. Not at all. That is an incorrect rumour.

The code IS signed. Judging by this unit I'd guess it's approximately SDK rev 0.14.21...maybe even a little bit earlier.
Normal developers can't import things to this is unit without a key guarded (slightly lower) than the retail key. In order to import to the rev you NEED that key. It's actually pretty difficult for developers to get even from Nintendo.

There are 2 (main) keys for developer systems:

1- The SD importing key (given to most every developer, ONLY works on units with more recent revisions)
2- The NAND importing key (given to TRUSTED developers, can import things to any unit/rev)

I doubt this seller is including the NAND key, and much less the SDK, so GL to the buyer getting both of those.

Oh, I didn't know that. My mistake.

 

[Rydian]

It can read unsigned code, but that doesn't do much for us with retail systems.

As stated, it's not unsigned code. The ability to run unsigned code, even on a dev unit, is very helpful towards hacking a device because it means you can start probing the internals (hardware and software), and even though dev units differ from retail units most of the important parts will be the same.

 

[Janthran]

It can read unsigned code, but that doesn't do much for us with retail systems.

As stated, it's not unsigned code. The ability to run unsigned code, even on a dev unit, is very helpful towards hacking a device because it means you can start probing the internals (hardware and software), and even though dev units differ from retail units most of the important parts will be the same.

Some rich hacker should buy a legit dev unit, then.

 

[karmasore]

It can read unsigned code, but that doesn't do much for us with retail systems.

Nope. Not at all. That is an incorrect rumour.

The code IS signed. Judging by this unit I'd guess it's approximately SDK rev 0.14.21...maybe even a little bit earlier.
Normal developers can't import things to this is unit without a key guarded (slightly lower) than the retail key. In order to import to the rev you NEED that key. It's actually pretty difficult for developers to get even from Nintendo.

There are 2 (main) keys for developer systems:

1- The SD importing key (given to most every developer, ONLY works on units with more recent revisions)
2- The NAND importing key (given to TRUSTED developers, can import things to any unit/rev)

I doubt this seller is including the NAND key, and much less the SDK, so GL to the buyer getting both of those.

Thanks for the information and great insight.

 

[NathanDuma]

If it could run unsigned code then it could be used to make emulators / the homebrew channel before the 3ds gets hacked.

 

[jrk190]

It can read unsigned code, but that doesn't do much for us with retail systems.

As stated, it's not unsigned code. The ability to run unsigned code, even on a dev unit, is very helpful towards hacking a device because it means you can start probing the internals (hardware and software), and even though dev units differ from retail units most of the important parts will be the same.

Some rich hacker should buy a legit dev unit, then.

Ring Ring~ Neimod, do you hear me?

 

[iNFiNiTY]

Blasty says he already has one of these units.. maybe a fair assumption neimod does himself. or at least have Blasty help with it.

 

[Sychophantom]

If it could run unsigned code then it could be used to make emulators / the homebrew channel before the 3ds gets hacked.

Did you read the parts where what was needed for that was explained?

 

[iNFiNiTY]

Thing is, if anyone did have some keys to sign with.. you wouldn't know about it because that is obviously not going to be spread around, much like newer SDK versions. It's spread among people who can actually use it. So no it's still not worthwhile for the OP at all really but these can be potentially useful tools and i'd pay that or quite a bit above that no problem. However i can't read Japanese, so meh.

 

[Sicklyboy]

If it could run unsigned code then it could be used to make emulators / the homebrew channel before the 3ds gets hacked.

And here we go with the noobs...

 

[Sychophantom]

If it could run unsigned code then it could be used to make emulators / the homebrew channel before the 3ds gets hacked.

And here we go with the noobs...

Gives some of us newcomers a bad name.

 

[NathanDuma]

If it could run unsigned code then it could be used to make emulators / the homebrew channel before the 3ds gets hacked.

And here we go with the noobs...

Gives some of us newcomers a bad name.

Hey look, don't call me a noob. I actually have a good point. Put unsigned code on it, then you can make an app and put it on the 3ds through an exploit when there is one. Then you can have the code ready for "injecting"

 

[Sychophantom]

If it could run unsigned code then it could be used to make emulators / the homebrew channel before the 3ds gets hacked.

And here we go with the noobs...

Gives some of us newcomers a bad name.

Hey look, don't call me a noob. I actually have a good point. Put unsigned code on it, then you can make an app and put it on the 3ds through an exploit when there is one. Then you can have the code ready for "injecting"

You have a point that was commented on already for what it would need to work. You obviously didn't read that part of the thread before commenting,