PS1/2 Sony stops backwards compatibillity support

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zomg ds don't play gb and gbc games!1 poor logic kill fail

My point was that there's no technical reason why NDS can't have a freaking NES slot on it. (though there are many monitary, and common sense reasons why that's a bad idea) But anything achieved officially by the hobby world in spare time is easily doable with access to the proper resources. But at some point enough has to be enough
I was in no way saying they should have been kept, but I'm just pretty sensitive about all the fibbing about why they were dropped.

If PS3 needs its first two systems as a crutch (which it may), it will probably take a page from everybody elses book, port a few great games and sell us the same titles all over again, in a collectable tin with an extra bonus level at the end. That's making money. Old games bought used at garage sales don't generate income and aren't a good idea unless the system is under active development. The combos that come to mind where backward compatibility wasn't a bad idea since the weaker system was in open production: 7800/2600, snes/gb, gc/gba.

 

[Pigwooly]

I don't understand how some of you are percieving this as a bad business decision. The reality is that the majority of potential PS3 buyers don't give a shit about playing PS2 games. They want NextGen?. They want the new games that PS3 can deliver, but they aren't willing to pay Sony's stupid asking price.

By dropping PS2 compatibility (which Joe Public doesn't give a shit about) Sony can release PS3 at a lower price (and Joe Public does give a shit about that). How is this going to do anything other than boost PS3 sales?

Honestly, some people are so retarted

There's a lot to what you said here, but it does put Sony in the awkward position of being the only current gen console not to have backward compatibility, which if I didn't already have a PS2 and if I gave half a crap about the PS3 would piss me off, but then again I'm not Joe Public.

There has been a huge surge in the possibility of retro games as of late. I wonder if that would come into play here. Or does the general public only care about games if they're brand spankin' new or full of old childhood nostalgia?

In the end I think your right. It would put a sour taste in my mouth if I was going to buy a PS3, but it wouldn't make or break the sale.

Also, I know you put the ? at the end of NextGen because you're using it sarcastically so this isn't a dig at you, but a call to people in general. Can we please stop calling the Wii, 360, and PS3 next-gen consoles already! They are current-gen! Current as in out now! Next implies they are coming in the future. These things have been out for a while!

 

[Tanas]

I've had my 360 for around 18months now and I'm yet to play an Xbox 1 game on it, probably the same goes for the majority of 360 owners and the PS3 owners as well.

 

[Pigwooly]

I've had my 360 for around 18months now and I'm yet to play an Xbox 1 game on it, probably the same goes for the majority of 360 owners and the PS3 owners as well.

I just got my 360 a week ago, so I only have bioshock right now, but I plan to buy Ninja Gaiden Black soon (which is an Xbox 1 game). Also I play Gamecube games on my Wii like a madman (although if it wasn't backwards compatible I'd just play them on my Gamecube.)

 

[cubin']

zomg ds don't play gb and gbc games!1 poor logic kill fail

My point was that there's no technical reason why NDS can't have a freaking NES slot on it. (though there are many monitary, and common sense reasons why that's a bad idea) But anything achieved officially by the hobby world in spare time is easily doable with access to the proper resources. But at some point enough has to be enough
I was in no way saying they should have been kept, but I'm just pretty sensitive about all the fibbing about why they were dropped.

If PS3 needs its first two systems as a crutch (which it may), it will probably take a page from everybody elses book, port a few great games and sell us the same titles all over again in a collectable tin with an extra bonus level at the end. That's making money. Old games bought used at garage sales don't generate income.

Nuh, you made a good point and I agree with you. I was saying people love the DS and it doesn't offer backwards compatibility for all of nintendos handhelds therefore people shouldn't hate on the PS3 because it does the same thing.

 

[Pigwooly]

Nuh, you made a good point and I agree with you. I was saying people love the DS and it doesn't offer backwards compatibility for all of nintendos handhelds therefore people shouldn't hate on the PS3 because it does the same thing.

But the DS IS backwards compatible with the GBA so if the PS3 was doing the same thing, then it would be fully backwards compatible with PS2 (except multiplayer wouldn't work) and not compatible with PS1 at all.

Just being a nitpicky jerk.

 

[JohnDrake]

I don't understand how some of you are percieving this as a bad business decision. The reality is that the majority of potential PS3 buyers don't give a shit about playing PS2 games. They want NextGen?. They want the new games that PS3 can deliver, but they aren't willing to pay Sony's stupid asking price.

By dropping PS2 compatibility (which Joe Public doesn't give a shit about) Sony can release PS3 at a lower price (and Joe Public does give a shit about that). How is this going to do anything other than boost PS3 sales?

Honestly, some people are so retarted

Speak for yourself mate. One of the best things about the PS3 is the PS2/PS1 library.

This decision is asinine.

 

[dsbomb]

Sure, hardcore fanatics have already played the shit out of their PS2s. But there are billions more people in this world that aren't.

I have been out of the console scene since mid-N64 times. Gamecube? I played Mario Kart a bit at Best Buy. XBox? Never touched. PS2? Never touched. I own a PS1, bought it with Final Fantasy 5 (I think?), but it's laser crapped out in under a year's time.

Nowadays, my life is settling to a point I can again enjoy console gaming. I got a Wii just after launch. Sure the price was the primary factor going for it, but Gamecube compatibility was up there as well. If you've never played a game, it's as good as new.

I could consider a PS3 as the price gets lower and the library has more items that interest me. PS2 compatibility would be a major boost in my decision, as I've read there are some nice games for it. If they take it out for this country too, well that's one less reason to buy the console.

 

[deathfisaro]

At least, coming of 40GB model doesn't mean 80GB is going obsolete. So Sony is actually giving a choice between PS2 compatibility (partial in Europe and full in NA) and low price.

To the people who want to try out PS3 games but blocked by a high price wall can be absorbed by dropping price and compatibility.
And once there are more PS3 users, more games will come out, and more PS2 owners will want to move over, and by then BluRay drive production cost would have fallen to the point Sony can revive PS2 compatibility yet offer a low price.

To be honest, upscaling and smoothing doesn't look that great. Better than PS2 screen, yes, but you can only go as good as how good the source is, and the source is PS2 quality.
And PS2 games are still region locked unless you void the warranty, I still want a modded PS2 just to play Japanese games that never make their way to NA (Especially franchises like Super Robot Wars series, Taiko no Tatsujin series, and A.C.E. series, A.C.E.3 looks so good)

If I were given a choice between $499 60GB with almost full backwards compatibility and $399 40GB with no backwards compatibility, I'd have bought the 40GB model and swap my laptop HDD into it, and buy two games with that $100. But then, I kinda graduated PS2 games already so it's just me.

 

[Lumstar]

The US 60GB is long out of production. That's a non-factor by now, unless you're lucky and somehow find used or unsold stock. I had to get an 80GB.

 

[jimmy j]

I don't understand how some of you are percieving this as a bad business decision. The reality is that the majority of potential PS3 buyers don't give a shit about playing PS2 games. They want NextGen?. They want the new games that PS3 can deliver, but they aren't willing to pay Sony's stupid asking price.

By dropping PS2 compatibility (which Joe Public doesn't give a shit about) Sony can release PS3 at a lower price (and Joe Public does give a shit about that). How is this going to do anything other than boost PS3 sales?

Honestly, some people are so retarted

Speak for yourself mate. One of the best things about the PS3 is the PS2/PS1 library.

Only coz PS3 has got rubbish games

Seriously though, I totally understand that some people (like yourself) see backwards compatibility as a necessity. But most people just see it as a bonus.
I would much rather have a lower priced PS3, with the smaller percentage who want to play PS2 games buying a PS2 seperately. I don't want to play PS2 games, so why should I have to pay extra for a feature that I don't want?

Although, in a perfect world, Sony would continue to sell both versions of PS3.

 

[deathfisaro]

The US 60GB is long out of production. That's a non-factor by now, unless you're lucky and somehow find used or unsold stock. I had to get an 80GB.

I guess the demand was higher in U.S. I can still easily find 60GB around here. 80GB version comes with some compatibility,
http://curmudgeongamer.com/2007/09/ps3-com...s2-library.html
over half games can be played without problem and a quarter can be played with minor issues.

I believe there's a site where people send information about what games are playable and what aren't. (At least Koreans who got the 80Gb version early have that kinda site I think, so probably we have one too)
So that you don't have to buy and fail.

Just pray Sony doesn't drop software compatibility updates after 40GB comes out, if they continue to update then it's no big deal, if they drop it then 60GB >> 80GB to people who'd kill for PS2 games on PS3. I think 1.9 firmware was a major compatibility update, which even increased compatibility of PS2 games on EE+GS models.

 

[WK416]

They're thinking they would save money.

I was a little behind on the news. I remembered this thread when I came across this story:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/spin/jack-tretton...ures-312628.php

I think Jack Tretton is the guy everyone wants to shut up because he says things that makes things a lot worse than they would've been if he didn't say anything at all. Here, he completely derails your theory.

 

[Switchy]

Oo yay, maybe my 60GB European PS3 will become a collector's item and I can sell it without loss. It's the only reason why I haven't sold it.