Hacking So shouldn't we call OOT a primary exploit?

[Jiro2]

I'm definitely hunting through Target this week for an r4

on topic; OoTHax is a secondary because the game
A. Needs to store a payload in the save (That Cubic-Ninja guy is officially a mongol)
B. Needs something else to install it. OoTHax is the only secondary that Powersaves works for, But you are using Powersaves to install the exploit. Powersaves just happen to be this something else
Guy: "But you don't need another hacked system!"
Ricken: "Because OoT doesn't use per-cart encryption. Every other secondary does, so OoT is the mongol of the secondaries... but you are still using something else to modify your save data. Secondary. End of discussion."

All you're doing is repeating the definition, which doesn't answer the question of why you want to use that definition to begin with.

People care about "can I do this just by buying something, or do I need to find someone with a hacked machine?"

People don't care about "do I have to buy a game, or do I have to buy a game and a Powersaves".

It makes more sense to use a definition that is about something people care about.

Edit: I went through this thread and counted about 13 replies (depending on how you count) by people who seem to think that a good response to "maybe we should change the definition" is "this is the definition". If I am asking why you want a definition, then answering "this is the definition" doesn't make any sense. I'm talking about, you know, changing the definition. If I change it, it won't be the same definition that you just told me.

 

[hyno111]

Just add another definition that does not use "Primary" or "Secondary".
"Nothing Required beside 3ds","game required","game cart& powersave required","reqiure already exploited system","Anything else"

 

[mgrev]

PRIMARILY, you need something to mess with OOT
SECONDARILY, you can use OOTHAX AFTER it has been messed with

 

[jscjml]

Primary = Ninjhax; it only requires a copy of Cubic Ninja to work.

Secondary = OOTHax; it requires a copy of the game AND either another hacked 3DS or a Powersaves.

 

[zac122]

@OP Why do you want to change it so badly? It's been well established that OOT is a secondary exploit. It's been this way for a long time, and everyone was quite happy with that. This thread is needless drama for the sake of needless drama.

 

[gamesquest1]

Tbh the only exploit that is debatable is ninjhax on 10.x and lower it's primary, on 11.0 it's secondary everything else is fairly obvious

 

[jurassicplayer]

I'm talking about, you know, changing the definition. If I change it, it won't be the same definition that you just told me.

You aren't talking about changing the definition. You don't redefine primary and secondary. You are having a fit over some guy who decided to use a set of words in order to describe what he/she means by labeling it as primary/secondary. I suppose it's simpler to just say that you want to "redefine" some guy's fucking example. There is no definition to change. It's literally an adjective and a noun put together. You don't define "red potion", it's just a goddam fucking red potion. Some guy can tell you why it's red, or what it may do, but it's still a red potion.

- edit -
I mistyped. I meant to say:
He's a moron, why is this still a discussion. Fucking morons.

tehe pero~

 

[Jiro2]

You aren't talking about changing the definition.

Of course I am.