Hacking So I killed my Wii...

[shtonkalot]

Funny how members of this board feel that it is poor form to return a self-damaged console to the point of purchase yet have no qualms installing modchips and, eh em, "backing up" and playing copyrighted material.Â

I'm not condoning either practice but lets have a little balance here!

Whilst I see your point the two things are not equal.
"Backing up" is copyright infringement (which cannot be considered theft as nothing has been physically taken away from the owner) whilst returning a "self-damaged console" is defrauding a business, I'm not sure exactly how you classify that.

Are they both wrong? we can all judge that for ourselves. Are they both illegal? I would say so. Are they balanced? They're not the same thing so I guess it depends what 'weight' you give to each of them.

 

[captain^k]

I was going to say you have my condolences however it sounds like you got a sweet deal returning it to one of those stores

instigator: ahh yes, the warped morals of a pirate are a beautiful thing

 

[instigator]

Funny how members of this board feel that it is poor form to return a self-damaged console to the point of purchase yet have no qualms installing modchips and, eh em, "backing up" and playing copyrighted material.Â

I'm not condoning either practice but lets have a little balance here!Whilst I see your point the two things are not equal.
"Backing up" is copyright infringement (which cannot be considered theft as nothing has been physically taken away from the owner) whilst returning a "self-damaged console" is defrauding a business, I'm not sure exactly how you classify that.

Are they both wrong? we can all judge that for ourselves. Are they both illegal? I would say so. Are they balanced? They're not the same thing so I guess it depends what 'weight' you give to each of them.

At the risk of further hijacking this thread I'll have to correct you on the your definition of theft. Theft is universally defined as taking someone else's property without consent. Downloading copyrighted material clearly fits this definition.

But you are right when you say both acts are illegal.

I say fill your boots and do what you have to do. I'd just be prepared for the consequences and I certainly wouldn't suggest broadcasting it on a message board

 

[shtonkalot]

Funny how members of this board feel that it is poor form to return a self-damaged console to the point of purchase yet have no qualms installing modchips and, eh em, "backing up" and playing copyrighted material.Â

I'm not condoning either practice but lets have a little balance here!Whilst I see your point the two things are not equal.
"Backing up" is copyright infringement (which cannot be considered theft as nothing has been physically taken away from the owner) whilst returning a "self-damaged console" is defrauding a business, I'm not sure exactly how you classify that.

Are they both wrong? we can all judge that for ourselves. Are they both illegal? I would say so. Are they balanced? They're not the same thing so I guess it depends what 'weight' you give to each of them.

At the risk of further hijacking this thread I'll have to correct you on the your definition of theft. Theft is universally defined as taking someone else's property without consent. Downloading copyrighted material clearly fits this definition.

But you are right when you say both acts are illegal.

I say fill your boots and do what you have to do. I'd just be prepared for the consequences and I certainly wouldn't suggest broadcasting it on a message board

I see your risk taking and raise you one

You may try correct me but I still disagree with your point. As you say theft can (or is) defined as taking somebodies property without consent. However by "backing up" a game (either from your own original or some other source) is copying the information from that original medium. That is not taking anything from someone, consent doesn't come into it.
All that said I am certainly not advocating doing such a thing... no, not me... never

 

[starduck]

And games come with instruction booklets and warnings and flyers that state that copying copyrighted stuff, read intellectual properties, is stricly illegal. It is a theft, if you don't believe me... [email protected] ... Ask them.

 

[shtonkalot]

And games come with instruction booklets and warnings and flyers that state that copying copyrighted stuff, read intellectual properties, is stricly illegal. It is a theft, if you don't believe me... [email protected] ... Ask them.

I promise this is my last statement about this in this thread.
I am NOT arguing that copying or receiving/possessing copies of copyrighted material without consent of the copyright holder is illegal. I am well aware that it is.
It however is NOT theft. That both are crimes in many (if not all) countries is well known.
Please see this Wikipedia page if you would like to read some more.

I have not stated that copyright infringement is right, nor that it is a lesser crime to theft. It is however different.

Back to the judging of the failed modder and their actions.

 

[h3xx3r]

Did you check the tiny fuse by the solder points??

There are numerous topics about this exact same problem?

Either way I hope you get your new wii soon

I'm glad I have a 15W iron with a 0.5mm tip oh and lots of years experience. I'd cry if I fried my wii... & my kids would kill me when I finished crying

 

[instigator]

Funny how members of this board feel that it is poor form to return a self-damaged console to the point of purchase yet have no qualms installing modchips and, eh em, "backing up" and playing copyrighted material.Â

I'm not condoning either practice but lets have a little balance here!Whilst I see your point the two things are not equal.
"Backing up" is copyright infringement (which cannot be considered theft as nothing has been physically taken away from the owner) whilst returning a "self-damaged console" is defrauding a business, I'm not sure exactly how you classify that.

Are they both wrong? we can all judge that for ourselves. Are they both illegal? I would say so. Are they balanced? They're not the same thing so I guess it depends what 'weight' you give to each of them.

At the risk of further hijacking this thread I'll have to correct you on the your definition of theft. Theft is universally defined as taking someone else's property without consent. Downloading copyrighted material clearly fits this definition.

But you are right when you say both acts are illegal.

I say fill your boots and do what you have to do. I'd just be prepared for the consequences and I certainly wouldn't suggest broadcasting it on a message board

I see your risk taking and raise you one

You may try correct me but I still disagree with your point. As you say theft can (or is) defined as taking somebodies property without consent. However by "backing up" a game (either from your own original or some other source) is copying the information from that original medium. That is not taking anything from someone, consent doesn't come into it.
All that said I am certainly not advocating doing such a thing... no, not me... never

Disagree. Consent is of paramount importance and is the crux of the argument. Purchasing software legally merely gives the consumer permission to use the software. It does not give you permission to copy/distribute it.

"Software piracy is the unauthorized use of software. It includes the illegal duplication of copyrighted software or the installation of copyrighted software on more computers than authorized under terms of the software license agreement. (Encarta® World English Dictionary [North American Edition] © & (P) 2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.)

When an individual or institution purchases software, they only purchase the right to use the software. The copyright belongs to the developers of corporation who produces the software."

http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/wp/copyright-2002/s...racyfaqs.html#1

I believe that you are right when you say that it is not technically, under the law anyway, theft. But there are parallels. Obviously backing up for personal use is a completely different kettle of fish than copying/broadcasting/distributing. This deprives the copyright owner of reasonably expected income.

I think this argument comes down to morals. It is morally wrong to knowingly give a self-destroyed Wii back to the store. It may not be illegal, however, if the store doesn't expressly forbid this (as Nintendo does). You just tell them it is busted and that's the end of it!

 

[Presto]

Yup, killed my Wii. I tried to install the Cyclo-wiz and somehow burnt out my dvd drive. It's not recieving power at all, and I checked all the soldering points to make sure there were no bridges. Even after removing the chip, it still doesn't work.

Funny thing is, the Wii works fine, I just can't use the disk channelÂ

So this morning I packaged it all up and returned it to Best Buy. They happily took it back and gave me store credit, as they are still out of stock. I can't believe this far past launch there's still shortages. Oh well, I'm just super happy they returned it without any questions.

Anyway, maybe it was bad luck. I'm wondering if I should try again on the new unit. Problem is, I'm not sure if they will return it again if I mess it up again, unless I get the Wii from a different Best Buy. Should I try again?

i would say let a professonal do it for you

 

[spankachu]

Wow, did I ever swat the hornet's nest. I'm not saying what I did wasn't wrong, but I mean in the greater scheme of things, my crime is fairly petty. It's not like I stapped a man with my soldering iron =)

Anyway, I'll probably not do it again. For one thing, the new Wii I'll get will almost certainly have DB2 chipset so my chip won't work anyway. I think I learned my lesson and I'll be patient for a method that's a bit safer, like custom firmware or SD hack or the like.

We''ll see wha tthe future brings =)

 

[Presto]

Wow, did I ever swat the hornet's nest. I'm not saying what I did wasn't wrong, but I mean in the greater scheme of things, my crime is fairly petty. It's not like I stapped a man with my soldering iron =)

Anyway, I'll probably not do it again. For one thing, the new Wii I'll get will almost certainly have DB2 chipset so my chip won't work anyway. I think I learned my lesson and I'll be patient for a method that's a bit safer, like custom firmware or SD hack or the like.

We''ll see wha tthe future brings =)

i think the deal that pisses most ppl off is you took a wii out of someone elses hands bc u messed it up. They are still hard to find but i bought wii #7 and wii #8 yesterday

 

[spankachu]

i think the deal that pisses most ppl off is you took a wii out of someone elses hands bc u messed it up. They are still hard to find but i bought wii #7 and wii #8 yesterdayÂ

I don't think that's it at all. I mean, look at all those meat hooks who bought 20 at launch and sold them for 200% profit on E-Bay... sure it's not illegal, but it's pretty low... in my opinion worse than what I did. I took advantage of a huge corperation who will get their money back no matter what I did to the Wii, either though Nintendo themselves, or writing it off in taxes. These guys selling on E-Bay are taking advantage of induvidual people.

Anyway, I digress, I mean, if you are desperate enough to buy a Wii for $500, I guess you are the one choosing to be taken advantage of...

 

[Presto]

i think the deal that pisses most ppl off is you took a wii out of someone elses hands bc u messed it up. They are still hard to find but i bought wii #7 and wii #8 yesterday 

I don't think that's it at all. I mean, look at all those meat hooks who bought 20 at launch and sold them for 200% profit on E-Bay... sure it's not illegal, but it's pretty low... in my opinion worse than what I did. I took advantage of a huge corperation who will get their money back no matter what I did to the Wii, either though Nintendo themselves, or writing it off in taxes. These guys selling on E-Bay are taking advantage of induvidual people.

Anyway, I digress, I mean, if you are desperate enough to buy a Wii for $500, I guess you are the one choosing to be taken advantage of...

every wii i got was for a family member i am in texas wii #7 went to an aunt in St louis and #8 is a back up just in case i mess up modding

 

[spankachu]

i think the deal that pisses most ppl off is you took a wii out of someone elses hands bc u messed it up. They are still hard to find but i bought wii #7 and wii #8 yesterdayÂ

I don't think that's it at all. I mean, look at all those meat hooks who bought 20 at launch and sold them for 200% profit on E-Bay... sure it's not illegal, but it's pretty low... in my opinion worse than what I did. I took advantage of a huge corperation who will get their money back no matter what I did to the Wii, either though Nintendo themselves, or writing it off in taxes. These guys selling on E-Bay are taking advantage of induvidual people.

Anyway, I digress, I mean, if you are desperate enough to buy a Wii for $500, I guess you are the one choosing to be taken advantage of...

every wii i got was for a family member i am in texas wii #7 went to an aunt in St louis and #8 is a back up just in case i mess up modding

I wasn't refering to you inpeticular. I'm was just making a statement about scalpers as a group.

 

[Presto]

i think the deal that pisses most ppl off is you took a wii out of someone elses hands bc u messed it up. They are still hard to find but i bought wii #7 and wii #8 yesterday 

I don't think that's it at all. I mean, look at all those meat hooks who bought 20 at launch and sold them for 200% profit on E-Bay... sure it's not illegal, but it's pretty low... in my opinion worse than what I did. I took advantage of a huge corperation who will get their money back no matter what I did to the Wii, either though Nintendo themselves, or writing it off in taxes. These guys selling on E-Bay are taking advantage of induvidual people.

Anyway, I digress, I mean, if you are desperate enough to buy a Wii for $500, I guess you are the one choosing to be taken advantage of...




every wii i got was for a family member i am in texas wii #7 went to an aunt in St louis and #8 is a back up just in case i mess up modding

I wasn't refering to you inpeticular. I'm was just making a statement about scalpers as a group.

i hear that everyone waiting in line for a ps3 on lauch day except me was buying it to resell it just pissed me off.

 

[iza]

how the hell can you afford 8 wii's???

 

[Presto]

how the hell can you afford 8 wii's???

wii # 1: mine launch day
wii # 2: cousins launch day
wii # 3: Brothers for xmas
wii # 4: Sisters for xmas
wii # 5: Uncles for xmas
wii # 6: another cousins after xmas
wii # 7: my aunt bought 2/25
wii # 8: Spare probably gonna get modded and sold bought 2/25

apparently i am the only person in my family that can find them lol