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I didn't know where else on here to post this, but wondered what you all think about it: I found this on Mashable through a CNN link: http://mashable.com/2013/09/09/nint...Partial&utm_medium=feed&utm_source=feedburner

To me, I grew up with Nintendo and I think they will be ok. In a way to me they are like Apple as innovators: The tech in the Wii's Motion Controls was first used in their Power Glove for NES and they first experimented with 3D on Virtual Boy. I plan to stick it out in the long haul and am excited to see what Nintendo will bring in the next years to come :)
 

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I didn't know where else on here to post this, but wondered what you all think about it: I found this on Mashable through a CNN link: http://mashable.com/2013/09/09/nintendo-selloff/?utm_campaign=Feed: mashable/tech (Mashable » Tech)&utm_cid=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-Tech-Partial&utm_medium=feed&utm_source=feedburner

To me, I grew up with Nintendo and I think they will be ok. In a way to me they are like Apple as innovators: The tech in the Wii's Motion Controls was first used in their Power Glove for NES and they first experimented with 3D on Virtual Boy. I plan to stick it out in the long haul and am excited to see what Nintendo will bring in the next years to come :)
Relax. The stock market is meaningless in terms of Nintendo's ability to compete and make games. They have plenty of money in the war chest to fund their ideas and projects. The real question is whether or not they can continue to innovate, and investors have little to do with that.
 

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No, this is just a regular rise/dip in the stock industry; happens every day. And you should never worry, so long as p1ngpong is a moderator here too. :lol: (I had to)
 

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As long as the 3DS remains successful and Nintendo has 14.39 billion dollars everything will be fine. Even if the Wii U fails outright, they still have enough ground to make at least one more run at a new gen console. However, in that event, they will most likely be facing the same 'sink or swim' situation they did when transition from the Gamecube to the Wii.
 
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I admit it: I'm worried about nintendo's future.

With every piece of bad news that comes dripping in, it's always the same two replies that get tossed around: "there has been bad news before and nintendo survived that too" and "they've got plenty of monetary reserves".

Neither of these tackle the problem of nintendo's future. The article isn't mentioning their monetary reserves* that much...I think the title is mostly referring to being pushed out of the market by relevance. The wii was a success in every way, but that motion thingy didn't become the new standard of gaming. And two-monitor gaming on consoles or glassless 3D isn't repeating it. On the console end, they're about to be overshadowed by more powerful machines** and on handhelds the smartphones are quickly gaining ground (fuck...even android has more money going around in their games than nintendo, as per a few weeks).


That monetary reserve mainly serve as a means to survive. Yes, they'll be around. Much like atari and sega are still around, I guess. They know how to make a profit, so that's probably what they do. Kind of hovering around on the third place popularity wise (or higher, if you just count profits). And doing their own thing while one after the other third party developer is leaving them until it's just them, second party developpers and a handful indies.





*still...can someone explain to me how such a large, known and financially healthy company doesn't make the cut for the Nikkei index? I honestly admit not knowing much about economics, but it really doesn't sound like a good sign. :unsure:
**okay, I'm not sure about this either. Predicting they'll both outsell the wiiu isn't hard, but it's way harder to guess BY HOW MUCH they'll outsell...
 

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I admit it: I'm worried about nintendo's future.

With every piece of bad news that comes dripping in, it's always the same two replies that get tossed around: "there has been bad news before and nintendo survived that too" and "they've got plenty of monetary reserves".

Neither of these tackle the problem of nintendo's future. The article isn't mentioning their monetary reserves* that much...I think the title is mostly referring to being pushed out of the market by relevance. The wii was a success in every way, but that motion thingy didn't become the new standard of gaming. And two-monitor gaming on consoles or glassless 3D isn't repeating it. On the console end, they're about to be overshadowed by more powerful machines** and on handhelds the smartphones are quickly gaining ground (fuck...even android has more money going around in their games than nintendo, as per a few weeks).


That monetary reserve mainly serve as a means to survive. Yes, they'll be around. Much like atari and sega are still around, I guess. They know how to make a profit, so that's probably what they do. Kind of hovering around on the third place popularity wise (or higher, if you just count profits). And doing their own thing while one after the other third party developer is leaving them until it's just them, second party developpers and a handful indies.





*still...can someone explain to me how such a large, known and financially healthy company doesn't make the cut for the Nikkei index? I honestly admit not knowing much about economics, but it really doesn't sound like a good sign. :unsure:
**okay, I'm not sure about this either. Predicting they'll both outsell the wiiu isn't hard, but it's way harder to guess BY HOW MUCH they'll outsell...

Relevance is a word that has been overused since people got smartphones and think they can predict the future.

Nintendo's relevance tends to have nothing to do with their consoles, rather the software they provide for their consoles. Needless to say, I could count all the First-Party Wii U titles Nintendo released this year with my fingers thus far, which is the Wii U's only legitimate problem.

Nintendo's exclusivity of franchises is what makes them relevant. You can't go wrong with a long-running successful series, Zelda , Mario, Pokémon, etc. Could you imagine the Nintendo 64 being a success without Ocarina of Time or Mario 64? The Wii U is yet to have any games of the same quality and detail.

Sales will increase after Wind Waker HD, definitely. And by this time next year the console would probably just as successful as the 3DS is now. People tend to forget that the 3DS had some pretty dark days in its first year before many First Party games were released ("The next Virtual Boy", "Nintendo's last mistake", etc.), Mario comes along, quickly followed up by other titles and now it has been dubbed the most successful handheld ever.

This is so common with Nintendo, it's almost like a tactic. The only challenge nowadays is that people are such media sponges that their opinion is subject to the headlines.
 

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I remember all the outrage that rose when sony hit "junk" status as a company to invest in. There were many reports that said "There won't be a ps4" and the like. Sony is still having many issues, but they don't seem to be abandoning the vita or the ps3. Same with Microsoft, all the backslash of the Xbone, the firing of Ballmer, and the red numbers of the xbox division are fairly distressing. Let's not forget the decline of the Desktop market in favour of notebooks/ultrabooks, tablets and smartphones too.

It seems like the whole industry has their issues, but I don't think any of the big three is going anywhere, so I wouln'dt worry about nintendo.
 

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Do yourself a favor, don't listen to these reports or articles or "analysts" or "experts" at all. They've literally been saying Nintendo will be going out of business "within the next few years" since like the PS1 launched.
since? the ps1 launched?
more like since the snes launched.
 

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3DS seems to be doing fine, and the Wii u just needs Mario and link to come and save it.

Because Mario and Link saved the Gamecube. OWAIT. :rolleyes:

See, the problem with Nintendo as well as its fanbase is that they think the world has stopped in the 90'ties and first party alone can push a console to success. It can't, not in this day and age. The times when a customer was happy with circa 10 games that could be replayed in an infinite cycle is over - it's been over for quite some time.

Without sufficient support from third-party developers which guarantees a steady flow of new titles and without a wide selection of genres within the library, all at an affordable price and specs that are going to be relevant and worth developing for throughout the system's life cycle, the system has no chance for great success - this is why the 3DS is soaring and the WiiU is weeping.

Outside of the gimmick factor and the marketing factor all that's left is the system and the games and if the system is poor and there are no games, the sales are poor and the stock price drops.

Thankfuly Nintendo has the 3DS money cushion to fall on just like it had the GBA when the Gamecube didn't do so well or the Game Boy when the Virtual Boy bombed big time. They're lucky to have at least one successful system at a time and it's good for them, but they have to wake up and realize that gaming isn't what it used to be. They have to adjust and adapt to how the market works like now, not how they think it works.
 

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I am concerned, but not worried. I make the distinction because I am concerned that if they do not deliver us some good games that they will have a problem. I am also concerned that if they do not improve Wii U sales that the Wii U will end up like the GameCube and will be practically void of third-party games (games I don't care for that much, but they do promote a healthy ecosystem for a console).

Basically, I'm concerned that the company will not learn from their mistakes, but I'm not worried they are going away in the next 5-10 years. They need to get a better marketing strategy. 3DS and Wii U are clever, but they do not ultimately distinguish themselves enough from their predecessors. People argue that it's no different from the NES and SNES, but they at least had two things working for them with the SNES: 1. it was a whole word added which is more noticeable than a single character (3 and U respectively) 2. the unit design differences between the NES and SNES were (to me at least) starkly different from one another. The 3DS looks practically identical to a DSi and the Wii U is easily mistaken for a Wii if you didn't know the difference.

Sony is unoriginal in their naming scheme and Microsoft is just nonsensical at this point, but Nintendo is just not different enough between generations...and they're only making matters worse with the launch of the 2DS...

EDIT: Just to address something Foxi4 said, I love Nintendo, but their strength is and pretty much always has been their handhelds. Pretty much every version of their handhelds has always sold like hotcakes. GameBoy beat GameGear. GameBoy was basically uncontested for years until the DS. DS beat PSP. 3DS is beating Vita.

If they could take their winning strategies in the handheld market and apply them to their consoles, they could completely dominate.
 

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I wasn't worried when the Gamecube and the GBA weren't popular, I'm not gonna worry now. Nintendo has been in business since the late 1800, so I'm sure they'll be fine.
 

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Well, aside from the odd controller, I'd say N64 was great.
I really, really don't understand why people say that. The system had whole 380-odd games, zero third-party developer support, a horrible controller design, it was pricey, the games were on cartridges when everybody else has moved onto discs already making them expensive and with much less space for content and on top of that the sales were poor, not to even mention the inheritent flaws of the design like the ridiculously small texture size cap.
GameCube and Wii were acceptable, but they were clearly not as great as their equivalent handheld.
The Gamecube bombed and the Wii was a spectacular success, not so much because it was a good console but because it had a certain aura of magic to it due to the motion controls - it felt fresh and that's always good.
I wasn't worried when the Gamecube and the GBA weren't popular, I'm not gonna worry now. Nintendo has been in business since the late 1800, so I'm sure they'll be fine.
The Gamecube wasn't all that popular but the GBA was, massively so - its only competitor was the N-Gage and the GBA completely obliterated it.
 

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The Gamecube wasn't all that popular but the GBA was, massively so - its only competitor was the N-Gage and the GBA completely obliterated it.

Obviously the GBA was popular when you compare it to a phone with no games (I like the N-Gage's design but it had next to no support from developpers). But compared to the likes of the Game Boy or the DS, it did kinda poorly.
 

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The Gamecube wasn't all that popular but the GBA was, massively so - its only competitor was the N-Gage and the GBA completely obliterated it.


Did the GBA obliterate the N-Gage or did the N-Gage just fail miserably of its own accord?

Edit - There can be only ONE handheld!
 

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I really, really don't understand why people say that. The system had whole 380-odd games, zero third-party developer support, a horrible controller design, it was pricey, the games were on cartridges when everybody else has moved onto discs already making them expensive and with much less space for content and on top of that the sales were poor, not to even mention the inheritent flaws of the design like the ridiculously small texture size cap.
I enjoyed the games it had.

Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Star Fox 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Donkey Kong 64, Mario Kart 64, Mario Party series, Super Smash Brothers, Bomberman 64, Bomberman 64: The Second Attack, Bomberman Hero, Paper Mario, Yoshi's Story, Kirby and the Crystal Shards.

I've got a box of old N64 games that me and my friends played the crap out of. We've played N64 games in the last year even.

I guess I never cared for PS games...
 
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