Hacking Sakura DLDI version

[Chrono_Tata]

On an unrelated note, does anyone know who Peter Chen is?

Ummm... why? O__o Sounds like a generic Chinese name, if you ask me. Wikipedia says he's a famous computer scientist.

 

[strata8]

On an unrelated note, does anyone know who Peter Chen is?

Ummm... why? O__o Sounds like a generic Chinese name, if you ask me. Wikipedia says he's a famous computer scientist.

Actually, never mind. I found out his name is Peter Chan (AKA 'Andy') and he owns m3sakura.com and m3adapter.com

 

[c2ironfist]

Totally for the hack.

Not sure why people think this is a bad thing.. M3 profits off of game developers by allowing people to pirate games.

Now that rudolph made the hack to allows other cards to use Sakura firmware not right? I don't see the logic here.

You don't see the point?

What would be the point of paying the extra money for a Cyclo, when you can just get a DSTT and run the Cyclo firmware anyway? Did I also mention that you would be able to triple boot between the AceKard RPG loader as well?

Man that'd be great if some one is able to boot Cyclo Firmware off a DSTT.. saves me money the next time I buy a flashcard. I see it as a win situation for me and if flashcard developers have a problem with that then they can go ahead and make it harder for their firmware to be hacked.

 

[ubersk8kid]

NVM

Delete plz

 

[c2ironfist]

Because, companies that make game will always make money, but "homebrew" scene is drastically smaller, and things like that could destroy it.....If you want to screw CycloDS, M3 Sakura or AceKard, there is possibility that they'll drop further development and support, and in the end, leave you screwed..

They make effort to develop good firmwares, and stuff, so their carts would sell, and they could live from it..

It is ironic, and maybe illogical...But it's how it is..

Are you serious? Your joking right? Are you talking about the homebrew scene or the pirate/black market scene? If your referring to the homebrew scene then yes these guys who make homebrew games aps are generally a small team of one or more that do it as a hobby pretty much.

Now if you are talking about the black market scene, then I would disagree with you there. These guys make millions off pirated goods, and if they chose to drop development of newer products thats fine by me because there are strong competitors in every area of business whether it's legit or not.

These guys have products that are globally available. The firmware supports how many languages? I have no clue more than the amount of fingers I can count on one hand thats for sure.

I would say it's the other way around. Developers who make games don't always make money sometimes games flop and revenue doesn't amount to expensive development and marketing cost. IE Sega

However though, you have these companies such as M3, Cyclo, Ace Kard, SuperCard etc... come out with products that allow you to pirate these goods. Now I don't know about you but I'm gonna assume that cost to crack a code is far less than cost to develop and market a game.

If you disagree with me thats fine but as a consumer try thinking more about yourself than thinking about whether M3 is making a few more millions of dollars on their flashcards.

 

[Toni Plutonij]

Are you serious? Your joking right? Are you talking about the homebrew scene or the pirate/black market scene? If your referring to the homebrew scene then yes these guys who make homebrew games aps are generally a small team of one or more that do it as a hobby pretty much.
Nothing to add here, I agree completely..

Now if you are talking about the black market scene, then I would disagree with you there. These guys make millions off pirated goods, and if they chose to drop development of newer products thats fine by me because there are strong competitors in every area of business whether it's legit or not.
Well, I partially agree on this too..I wouldn't just say that every flashcart company make millions, and I would really disagree that makers and developers of flashcarts are millioners..Although DS pirate scene is getting bigger and bigger, I really believe that it's still fairly small, and not so many people know about flashcarts and it's possibilities..
But all that is not the point I was making.....I'm talking all the time about M3 Real Sakura....I said, that I don't want it to be hacked for other flashcarts, as it could result in M3 Team dropping support and further development..

These guys have products that are globally available. The firmware supports how many languages? I have no clue more than the amount of fingers I can count on one hand thats for sure.

I would say it's the other way around. Developers who make games don't always make money sometimes games flop and revenue doesn't amount to expensive development and marketing cost. IE Sega

However though, you have these companies such as M3, Cyclo, Ace Kard, SuperCard etc... come out with products that allow you to pirate these goods. Now I don't know about you but I'm gonna assume that cost to crack a code is far less than cost to develop and market a game.

Again, completely true, but this isn't actually point I was trying to make.....and I really doubt that developers of M3 Team get more money than developers in Eidos....Pirating games is a long time problem for game developers, and it's not actually the topic I want to talk about..
QUOTE(c2ironfist @ Jun 29 2008, 09:23 AM)

If you disagree with me thats fine but as a consumer try thinking more about yourself than thinking about whether M3 is making a few more millions of dollars on their flashcards.

I'm actually not disagreeing with you at all, but you really didn't catch my point, I probably expressed myself wrong, as I'm not native english-speaker..I am thinking more about myself, because all I want is for some flashcart developer (of flashcards I own) that he doesn't drop support for it....All I'm talking about here is that M3 Team didn't even properly release Sakura, and it's already hacked for other flashcarts, and that could result in dropping support for Sakura..
As I made example many times before, Would you work hard, spend few months of coding and programing just so your cart could be better in some aspect than other carts, and that could lead in more sales, and when you release it, in two days it's hacked and working on every other rival carts....even more, the clones of carts and some cards that were dropped by their makers?!
And when that happen, would you furthermore continue on improving it, adding options when you know that it would have almost no effect in sales of your own product, but help every other flashcart maker that has no skill of doing such nice interface?! (because, interface is one of the selling points for flashcart)..
You think that CycloDS would be so popular if you can just take it's firmware an put it in N-card, DS-X or R4?!

You get what I'm talking about?! I don't care for the profit some flashcart team makes, I care about their development and product quality..I don't want Sakura hacked, because it could lead to shutting off the project, and that's actually very selfish of me, but as a M3 Real owner, I don't want it to happen..

Sorry for long post, I like to debate, just my english isn't that good for expressing in some situations..

 

[gangsterboi]

Well take it this way, in my school I am the only one who even knows what homebrew, flash carts, or even movies on the ds is about. Compared to the amount of people who use nintendo branded products the ones that use flash carts is almost zilch.

 

[Toni Plutonij]

I believe that too....The good example would be the R4 cart too...Everyone who isn't in the homebrew and flash scene, and hears of it. first tries to get an R4...And that's a lots of people, even here at GBAtemp, where everyone are against it....Imagine the other sites that are pro-R4..

 

[strata8]

There is only 2 people in my school who have a flashcard, me, and someone else in my class. Heaps of people have hacked PSP's though.

 

[gangsterboi]

I know, the hacked psp scene is immensely big! All the kids in my class watch porn all day everyday on there's.

If Nintendo sued a company like r4 or m4, wouldn't it bring it to the attention fo more people and therefore they would all start to buy flash cards?

 

[c2ironfist]

You get what I'm talking about?! I don't care for the profit some flashcart team makes, I care about their development and product quality..I don't want Sakura hacked, because it could lead to shutting off the project, and that's actually very selfish of me, but as a M3 Real owner, I don't want it to happen..

Sorry for long post, I like to debate, just my english isn't that good for expressing in some situations..

I see your point. It's understandable that you'd want to justify owning a specific card. When I bought a few Cyclo Cards back then when they released the new V3 ( or V4 I forget but the latest design) The Edge was released soon after for nearly half the price. I wasn't too happy about that because if I had known I would have gotten the Edge instead; assuming it was on par with the Cyclo Evo.

Anyways in my opinion and this is only opinion anyways, people can disagree with me here. I highly doubt at the moment Sakura by M3 even hacked will be dropped. Why? Because Sakura is their new marketing strategy in the flashcard business. Slot-1 Flashcards are so flooded now, with soo many different brands but yet the hardware is all the same. They need something to distinguish them from the rest and their Firmware is what will mark their success. Dropping Sakura means dropping their marketing strategy and leaving them back to square one,which most likely will ruin their reputation and turning customers off.

What I think will happen is that they're going to try and encrypt the firmware as best as they could, preventing people hacking it. Now I don't know anything about programming so again this is only opinion.

It's the same with game developers, they know there are pirates out there but yet they still develop and make games in an effort to make a profit. Same with M3 they will constantly update their firmware, improving it in an effort to sell their brand of flashcards.

So I wouldn't worry too much
oh btw your english is good enough lol

 

[Tanas]

I see your point. It's understandable that you'd want to justify owning a specific card. When I bought a few Cyclo Cards back then when they released the new V3 ( or V4 I forget but the latest design) The Edge was released soon after for nearly half the price. I wasn't too happy about that because if I had known I would have gotten the Edge instead; assuming it was on par with the Cyclo Evo.

You'll be glad to know that The Edge doesn't even come close to being on par with the CycloDS, the CycloDS is far superior to The Edge in almost everyway, The Edge doesnt have 3-in-1 rumble support, GBA support, Realtime save, and Slowmotion.

People call the Edge a CycloDS clone when it plainly isn't, it just rips off the look of the CycloDS and its menus and can use the same skins, I'd say its no better or worse than the TTDS.

It was a stroke of pure genious by The Edge team, fooling people in to thinking that they had cloned the best flash cart on the market.

 

[gangsterboi]

I don't really think the cyclo is the best cart on the market. If i would get onei would prefer getting an m3real or maybe an acekard.

 

[Toni Plutonij]

You get what I'm talking about?! I don't care for the profit some flashcart team makes, I care about their development and product quality..I don't want Sakura hacked, because it could lead to shutting off the project, and that's actually very selfish of me, but as a M3 Real owner, I don't want it to happen..

Sorry for long post, I like to debate, just my english isn't that good for expressing in some situations..

I see your point. It's understandable that you'd want to justify owning a specific card. When I bought a few Cyclo Cards back then when they released the new V3 ( or V4 I forget but the latest design) The Edge was released soon after for nearly half the price. I wasn't too happy about that because if I had known I would have gotten the Edge instead; assuming it was on par with the Cyclo Evo.

Anyways in my opinion and this is only opinion anyways, people can disagree with me here. I highly doubt at the moment Sakura by M3 even hacked will be dropped. Why? Because Sakura is their new marketing strategy in the flashcard business. Slot-1 Flashcards are so flooded now, with soo many different brands but yet the hardware is all the same. They need something to distinguish them from the rest and their Firmware is what will mark their success. Dropping Sakura means dropping their marketing strategy and leaving them back to square one,which most likely will ruin their reputation and turning customers off.

What I think will happen is that they're going to try and encrypt the firmware as best as they could, preventing people hacking it. Now I don't know anything about programming so again this is only opinion.

It's the same with game developers, they know there are pirates out there but yet they still develop and make games in an effort to make a profit. Same with M3 they will constantly update their firmware, improving it in an effort to sell their brand of flashcards.

So I wouldn't worry too much
oh btw your english is good enough lol

Well, you got my point this time!
That's exactly what I was trying to say..

You see text in bold....it's the only thing I would partially disagree..
You're right when you say that Sakura won't be dropped at the moment, but it could be if hacking continues..You see, there will be no point in Sakura once it's hacked completely..It would have no market value for M3 Team, as it would be no more a selling point for M3 Real, but they would spent their time improving it, so it's a logical they improve the encryption and protection..

@gangsterboi, it's actually matter of personal taste, I had CycloDS long before Sakura was even announced, and even then I liked M3 Real more then Cyclo..
But there's no doubt that CycloDS is one of THE best carts out there, and it will just become more and more improved and better..

 

[Tanas]

Rudolphs hack has already been defeated by the M3 Team, so I cant see there being any other versions of Sakura running on anything but the N3 Real in the future.

 

[Toni Plutonij]

Well, I do hope so...
But even though Rudolph has some amazing skills, he isn't the only person in the world who could do something like that..

But, if he doesn't hack it...I doubt somebody else will....

 

[c2ironfist]

You'll be glad to know that The Edge doesn't even come close to being on par with the CycloDS, the CycloDS is far superior to The Edge in almost everyway, The Edge doesnt have 3-in-1 rumble support, GBA support, Realtime save, and Slowmotion.

People call the Edge a CycloDS clone when it plainly isn't, it just rips off the look of the CycloDS and its menus and can use the same skins, I'd say its no better or worse than the TTDS.

It was a stroke of pure genious by The Edge team, fooling people in to thinking that they had cloned the best flash cart on the market.

I'm glad I didn't go ahead and buy an edge thanks for letting me know. I thought about it because at the time when I purchased a few Cyclo Evo's it was more about performance and if I could get that at a cheaper price I would. I personally like the Cyclo Evo its my favorite Flashcard.

I have a few others including the M3 Real, Simply, R4, DSTT and I like the Cyclo the most out of them all. R4/Simply comes in 2nd because they are just easy to use, my nephew can even use it, it's just that easy.

 

[c2ironfist]

Well, you got my point this time!
That's exactly what I was trying to say..

You see text in bold....it's the only thing I would partially disagree..
You're right when you say that Sakura won't be dropped at the moment, but it could be if hacking continues..You see, there will be no point in Sakura once it's hacked completely..It would have no market value for M3 Team, as it would be no more a selling point for M3 Real, but they would spent their time improving it, so it's a logical they improve the encryption and protection..

@gangsterboi, it's actually matter of personal taste, I had CycloDS long before Sakura was even announced, and even then I liked M3 Real more then Cyclo..
But there's no doubt that CycloDS is one of THE best carts out there, and it will just become more and more improved and better..

Of course once M3 develops newer strategies to maximize profits they're going to eventually drop development of Sakura and move ahead with their new goals to compete against the competition. This can be affected by a number of factors such as new hardware, a newer firmware etc.

It's a bit silly for R4/Simply developers to try and push a product that is dated. Instead they released new hardware (not necessary new but hardware compatible with Micro HDSD) to compete with the competition.

Once Sakura has shown it's age they'll introduce something different. So I wouldn't really worry about developers dropping support anytime soon just because there firmware is hacked.

Even if Sakura is hacked, people will still buy M3 Cards, it's like the original game developer example I used. Game Developers make games and people buy them and some pirate them. I own a ton of flashcards but at the same time I go out and buy myself a few original games just because I like owning them.

There will be some who will use the Sakura hack on their present cards and others who want the genuine Flashcard by M3. Either way development will continue because M3 Cards do sell regardless of a hacked firmware or not.

 

[AXYPB]

Well take it this way, in my school I am the only one who even knows what homebrew, flash carts, or even movies on the ds is about. Compared to the amount of people who use nintendo branded products the ones that use flash carts is almost zilch.

This applies to me relative to my entire city, but I still keep it secretive when I have the thing outdoors. I attended a midnight release of Super Smash Bros. Brawl in March and learned I wasn't the only one who owns a flashcart in my local area. When I inquired about their odd-looking carts inserted into their DSes they denied it all over saying they didn't in fact own R4s (or they said they owned "not R4s") until I told them I wasn't with the police and showed them my M3 Real. I still don't know how to explain that. If they're going to deny it badly, the least they could do is not let me notice it in the first place.

 

[Chrono_Tata]

This applies to me relative to my entire city, but I still keep it secretive when I have the thing outdoors. I attended a midnight release of Super Smash Bros. Brawl in March and learned I wasn't the only one who owns a flashcart in my local area. When I inquired about their odd-looking carts inserted into their DSes they denied it all over saying they didn't in fact own R4s (or they said they owned "not R4s") until I told them I wasn't with the police and showed them my M3 Real. I still don't know how to explain that. If they're going to deny it badly, the least they could do is not let me notice it in the first place.

Maybe they mean they don't have R4s, but some other flashcarts?