Roe V Wade has been repealed

[Lacius]

If we assume the same thing, about anything, subjectivity thrown out. So, of course? You are going to be disappointed with my response, but a person only has the bodily autonomy that they can enforce. The state is a problem. The government is a problem. I won't be satisfied until we, as people aren't interested in governing over each other. I'll probably die before that. For the meantime, I'll live for it though.

I'm interested then why you think a state should be able to violate one's bodily autonomy.

while this is sad, if you really need an abortion, what's stopping you from going to a state that allows it?

Maybe the nearly 900 miles there and 900 miles back for some people. Just a hunch.

As I've said before, there being abortion access in another state doesn't make statewide abortion bans less deplorable.

 

[tabzer]

I'm interested then why you think a state should be able to violate one's bodily autonomy.

"Should". I didn't use that word as far as I know. I'm not pretending that legislature is moral. The lack thereof seems to be step in that direction imo.

 

[chrisrlink]

First, that was as much about the right to not be exposed to the disease by anti-vaxxers as much as it was about anything else.

Second, I don't remember anyone seriously talking about requiring vaccination by law. Sure, there were policy positions that would require proof of vaccination under specific circumstances (public transit, working in a healthcare facility, etc.), but nobody's bodily autonomy rights were ever being violated.

Try again.

uh by law in my state if you want your children to go to school both public or private to be fully vaccinated by the school year against stuff like mumps polio measles etc they also tacked on covid to the list been like that for decades nothing new just a new fad called antIvaxxing (or atleast more prevalent since covid) the only other alternitives are home school or prison (for the parents that is)

 

[Lacius]

"Should". I didn't use that word as far as I know. I'm not pretending that legislature is moral. The lack thereof seems to be step in that direction imo.

You might want to make your views more clear then, because you've more than suggested that pregnancy at least sometimes takes precedence over bodily autonomy.

uh by law in my state if you want your children to go to school both public or private to be fully vaccinated by the school year against stuff like mumps polio measles etc they also tacked on covid to the list been like that for decades nothing new just a new fad called antIvaxxing (or atleast more prevalent since covid) the only other alternitives are home school or prison (for the parents that is)

Unfortunately, depending on where parents live, there are often broad exceptions to vaccination requirements for schools. Regardless, there's nothing stopping a parent from keeping their children away from institutions that require vaccination.

 

[The Catboy]

while this is sad, if you really need an abortion, what's stopping you from going to a state that allows it?

If this is your logical conclusion, then why even outlaw abortions in the first place? Why make people travel to get safe abortions, when we could just leave them legal and safe all over?

 

[tabzer]

You might want to make your views more clear then, because you've more than suggested that pregnancy at least sometimes takes precedence over bodily autonomy.

I don't think so. Just because I disagree with something someone says doesn't mean I'm advocating the other side of the spectrum that they are on. That's how a lot of people think and I think that's an ignorance that we are dealing with. We shouldn't have to live like that.

 

[tabzer]

If this is your logical conclusion, then why even outlaw abortions in the first place? Why make people travel to get safe abortions, when we could just leave them legal and safe all over?

"Diversity"? Maybe some communities that outlaw abortion turn out better? This is a chance for us to find out.

 

[Lacius]

I don't think so. Just because I disagree with something someone says doesn't mean I'm advocating the other side of the spectrum that they are on. That's how a lot of people think and I think that's an ignorance that we are dealing with. We shouldn't have to live like that.

You've suggested that pregnancy at least sometimes takes precedence over bodily autonomy.

I'm asking you to make your views clear. Why won't you?

"Diversity"? Maybe some communities that outlaw abortion turn out better? This is a chance for us to find out.

They don't.

 

[tabzer]

You've suggested that pregnancy at least sometimes takes precedence over bodily autonomy.

I'm asking you to make your views clear. Why won't you?

I don't think I have. I do think I have suggested that pregnancy can be a result of bodily autonomy. Every situation is different. I can only be as clear as each individual situation.

They don't.

Brave new world.

 

[mrdude]

Because men hold their opinions above others and for some reason that’s respected.

You are sexist, and you are saying ALL men have the same views (above yours). Putting eveyone into the same box because they don't hold the same view as you........and I'd bet you'd be the first to whinge about sexism.

 

[tabzer]

You are sexist, and you are saying ALL men have the same views (above yours). Putting eveyone into the same box because they don't hold the same view as you........and I'd bet you'd be the first to whinge about sexism.

It's not sexist because it's feeling like a woman, and they can't be sexist.

Or maybe it's a man, so it it can't be sexist, because he is talking about his own gender.

Who f'kn knows?

Sexism is just an social construct anyway.

 

[Lacius]

I don't think I have. I do think I have suggested that pregnancy can be a result of bodily autonomy. Every situation is different. I can only be as clear as each individual situation.

You literally said bodily autonomy "doesn't always" take precedence over pregnancy. If you didn't mean it, you need to make your views more clear.

You are sexist, and you are saying ALL men have the same views (above yours). Putting eveyone into the same box because they don't hold the same view as you........and I'd bet you'd be the first to whinge about sexism.

The word "all" wasn't used.

 

[SG854]

Why are non-women argue about abortion rights?

Because a kid is a man's and women's responsibility

 

[tabzer]

You literally said bodily autonomy "doesn't always" take precedence over pregnancy. If you didn't mean it, you need to make your views more clear.

It literally doesn't when the state can force you to do what it wants. Again, ideals vs reality. I'm not disagreeing with your virtue.

 

[linuxares]

Because a kid is a man's and women's responsibility

Sure, that's if it's born. Abortion is to cease it to be born? I don't have any say in a woman's body.

 

[Lacius]

I'd still see that as temporal and conditional. If you need a state or a federal government to represent you for you, then we aren't there yet. Banning abortion might be a wake up call. I don't know.

We were talking about how you think it should be, but feel free to continue to obfuscate your opinions because they're embarrassing.

 

[tabzer]

We were talking about how you think it should be, but feel free to continue to obfuscate your opinions because they're embarrassing.

I never mentioned how I think they "should be". That's your thing. I'm just accepting of what I cannot control.

 

[SG854]

Sure, that's if it's born. Abortion is to cease it to be born? I don't have any say in a woman's body.

Abortion rights. A man can argue for a women's right to have an abortion. Anybody that likes your comment and is a man and continues to argue for abortion rights is a hypocrite.

 

[Lacius]

I never mentioned how I think they "should be".

That's my point, lol.

 

[linuxares]

Abortion rights. A man can argue for a women's right to have an abortion. Anybody that likes your comment and is a man and continues to argue for abortion rights is a hypocrite.

Sure, but I don't feel qualified to discuss this since I can't literally birth a person.