Roe V Wade has been repealed

[Noctosphere]

lol, making an argument for your general case based on exceptions makes it incredibly weak. The case you are mentioning, the option of abortion remains open; when the life of the pregnant woman is in danger

in some state, abortion will still be illegal in case of raping or incest
Do you really think if the woman life is in danger it will change something for those states? I don't think so... they just don't care

 

[Lacius]

Look, american hyperpolarization is at an historical high of any developed democracy ever by far. This indicates that people aren't by and large taking principled stances in general anymore.

We're polarized because the right-wing in this country has taken a hard right against civil rights and towards authoritarianism. That's nobody's fault except the political right's. I agree with you that people aren't taking principled stances anymore, but don't act like that's a problem on both sides.

No, I argue that in a cluster of different personalities, there are people who take the center points of culture (like sexual identity is one theses days) and use them to signal their purity to establish moral high ground. If banana eating was a center point of american culture, people would signal their purity through banana eating, it doesnt matter.

Or, people are coming out because they're LGBTQ and don't want to live in the closet or under an oppressive government that's more likely to be oppressive if they're invisible.

The fact that you're blaming out gay people for the right-wing stripping away people's rights is nonsensical and, frankly, just plain stupid.

 

[MadonnaProject]

Its not ilegal, its upto the states and not reated as a "right".

I am all for abortion. This will badly impact communities decimated by illegitimacy and crime. You know who I mean.

 

[Xzi]

Look, american hyperpolarization is at an historical high of any developed democracy ever by far. This indicates that people aren't by and large taking principled stances in general anymore.

You're right, this type of regression has nothing to do with principles or morals. It's just idiotic nostalgia for a time period that sucked to begin with, but is now viewed through rose-tinted glasses. Same motivation behind Putin invading Ukraine and every other decision forced on us by narcissistic boomers.

 

[Noctosphere]

We're polarized because the right-wing in this country has taken a hard right against civil rights and towards authoritarianism.

you're wrong, they are ALL IN FAVOR for guns

 

[DbGt]

Pregnancy should be a choice, yes. I am glad we agree.

Pregnancy has always been a choice, becoming pregnant has always been a choice. Ending someones right to life is not right

So you'd be happy with a state law that mandates you donate one of your kidneys to a stranger who needs it then? "The right to life should always be prioritized."

Nah, pregnancy is a physiological process, women are literally designed to get pregnant.

Removing a kidney is not. Bad example. Also, you are not ending anyone right to life.

 

[Creamu]

We're polarized because the right-wing in this country has taken a hard right against civil rights and towards authoritarianism. That's nobody's fault except the political right's. I agree with you that people aren't taking principled stances anymore, but don't act like that's a problem on both sides.

When you see an historical high of hyperpolarization, it is the case that all sides start to take this kind of position, with all of them being comparativly correct in their way.

Or, people are coming out because they're LGBTQ and don't want to live in the closet or under an oppressive government that's more likely to be oppressive if they're invisible.

That'S a part of it for sure. But as soon as you make anything to a cultural centerpoint you will have moral signalers purity spiraling for moral high ground.

The fact that you're blaming out gay people for the right-wing stripping away people's rights is nonsensical and, frankly, just plain stupid.

? Where is this coming from?

 

[SyphenFreht]

Good to see the conservatives all up in arms about taking away abortion rights while still holding on to their "you can't take away my guns" 2A rights. Both political parties might be crap, but only the Republicans are so blatantly full of hypocrisy that it's almost laughable.

Currently it seems like the current Republican movement seems to be:
Take away voting rights
Take away abortion (and by extent, women's) rights
Take away the ability to sue law enforcement
Reiterate the policy's jobs to be nothing more than ticket takers
Take away protesting rights
And give everyone guns.

Hope nobody gets radicalized enough to fight back against the government to give them reason to enact martial law.

Some of y'all are really f*cking weird.

 

[Noctosphere]

Pregnancy has always been a choice, becoming pregnant has always been a choice. Ending someones right to life is not right

you are in contradiction
Because even the first few states that illegalised abortion said that abortion was still legal within the first 6 weeks of pregnancy
Are you saying that the foetus is alive starting on 6th week?
come on...

 

[DbGt]

in some state, abortion will still be illegal in case of raping or incest
Do you really think if the woman life is in danger it will change something for those states? I don't think so... they just don't care

Change what? it is already legal to have an abortion in those states if the woman`s life is in danger

 

[SonowRaevius]

Considering the same people have already outlined they are also going after contraceptive, Gay Marriage, and LGBTQ+ people in general after this? Not great, honestly.

Seems kinda odd/hypocritical that the party of "Freedom and Less Government" is trying their best to get rid of freedoms and expand the government as long as it is to their liking.

 

[Lacius]

Pregnancy has always been a choice, becoming pregnant has always been a choice.

Sex is not consent to become pregnant, and sex does not mean one chose to become pregnant.

Ending someones right to life is not right

An embryo is not a person, and even if it were, that wouldn't change the fact that a person should have a right to bodily autonomy.

Nah, pregnancy is a physiological process, women are literally designed to get pregnant.

You should look up the naturalistic fallacy.

Also, you are not ending anyone right to life.

If you don't give this stranger one of your kidneys, they die. It's an apt analogy.

That'S a part of it for sure.

It's all of it.

Where is this coming from?

You're blaming people for being out about their sexuality identities for their identities and liberties being attacked. It's victim-blaming, as well as ridiculous.

 

[Noctosphere]

Change what? it is already legal to have an abortion in those states if the woman`s life is in danger

Pretty sure that if the baby can be saved, they won't care about the woman...
I mean, if the woman's life is in danger but the baby's isn't, they'll think "hey, a life is a life, fuck the woman, she'll live lesser than the baby, let's save the baby"

 

[Dark_Ansem]

And according to Clarence Thomas, same-sex relationships, marriage and contraception are next on the chopping block. Interracial relationships too, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Lacius]

And according to Clarence Thomas, same-sex relationships, marriage and contraception are next on the chopping block. Interracial relationships too, if I'm not mistaken.

Yep. He outright said so in his concurring opinion. I'm surprised he went out of his way to say it. In some of these cases, Roe was literally precedent for them. In others, now-old interpretations of the 14th amendment were the basis for the old rulings.

Either way, all of the things you listed would likely be struck down by this Supreme Court if those cases came before them.

 

[SyphenFreht]

Nah, pregnancy is a physiological process, women are literally designed to get pregnant.

So therefore their right to their own body becomes moot when something that may eventually become life enters her body?

I bet you were against masks because it's your body, your rights, am I correct?

Pregnancy has always been a choice, becoming pregnant has always been a choice. Ending someones right to life is not right

So it has a right before it even becomes a person? And you don't find that blatantly absurd in comparison to taking away the rights of someone who already is a person?

 

[Creamu]

And according to Clarence Thomas, same-sex relationships, marriage and contraception are next on the chopping block. Interracial relationships too, if I'm not mistaken.

That would mean the collapse of america as we know it.

 

[Darthagnon]

Lol Americanski fighting over the things their overlords say are an issue. Why you all obsessed with killing/not killing babies? Not an issue anywhere outside of USA, it's just there your two parties have an interest and need a story to pull votes.

Abortion is not the issue, just don't sleep around and you won't have problems.

 

[Creamu]

It's all of it.

That's a ridicously simplistic look at complex social movements.

You're blaming people for being out about their sexuality identities for their identities and liberties being attacked. It's victim-blaming, as well as ridiculous.

No, I am not.

 

[Xzi]

And according to Clarence Thomas, same-sex relationships, marriage and contraception are next on the chopping block. Interracial relationships too, if I'm not mistaken.

Fucking piece of shit should be disbarred, and the fact that that's not even within the realm of possibility is a serious problem for our country. These decisions are just going to get more and more draconian until the shape of our new Christian Sharia law has been revealed in its entirety.