Religion. The Last Debate

[Deleted User]

wait while i restart my windows pc. ms is bad.

 

[Magmorph]

artin]

You didn't fail. God made humans knowing what the outcome of your life would be. It is the fault of God.

God presents you with free-will and choice. Therefore, yes, it is YOU that failed based on YOUR decisions.

It may seem easy to blame all of your mistakes on one thing but... highly illogical when you're the one at the wheel.

If I leave a brick out in the middle of the street and I know that the outcome of doing so will be a car accident is it not my fault for causing it?

if you did it , yes , it is your fault

(my keyboard is broken )

God made humans knowing that the outcome would be bad. Whose fault is it now?

 

[RoMee]

Hitlers religious views are widely disputed. By his term as Fuhrer he believed in a completely different God to the Judaic one.

he's a christian dude..read his speaches/rants

PROVE YOUR GOD IS REAL

 

[TrolleyDave]

PS:
If Jet ever comes back from his cry-fest, tell him to change the poll back.

I've already changed it back.

 

[0ddity]

Some Christians I've talked to claim it was a necessary evil, it paved the way for the jews to return to Israel, which is one of the signs of the Apocalypse, yada yada yada.

really?? so if god wanted to kill your family, kids, wife, etc..you'll just say "okay as long as it's god's plan"

I doubt you'll be saying what you just said if it was your family getting slaughter


Um, no. I'm an atheist. I'm saying, thats what I discovered when I researched the question.

QUOTE(_Chaz_ @ Sep 11 2010, 10:26 PM)

PS:
If Jet ever comes back from his cry-fest, tell him to change the poll back.

I've already changed it back.

Great, so the results are skewed, because I voted for the top one. :/

 

[ball2012003]

Some Christians I've talked to claim it was a necessary evil, it paved the way for the jews to return to Israel, which is one of the signs of the Apocalypse, yada yada yada.

really?? so if god wanted to kill your family, kids, wife, etc..you'll just say "okay as long as it's god's plan"

Yes because your supposed love God more than anything. Also what you just said actually happened in the Bible. God told someone(I forgot the name) to kill his son in his name. The Dad didn't want to of course because it was his only child but he still listened. But before he did anything God sent down angels to stop the dad because God saw how the Dad was loyal to God more than anything else in the world.

 

[RoMee]

Some Christians I've talked to claim it was a necessary evil, it paved the way for the jews to return to Israel, which is one of the signs of the Apocalypse, yada yada yada.

really?? so if god wanted to kill your family, kids, wife, etc..you'll just say "okay as long as it's god's plan"

I doubt you'll be saying what you just said if it was your family getting slaughter


Um, no. I'm an atheist. I'm saying, thats what I discovered when I researched the question.

QUOTE(_Chaz_ @ Sep 11 2010, 10:26 PM)

PS:
If Jet ever comes back from his cry-fest, tell him to change the poll back.

I've already changed it back.

Great, so the results are skewed, because I voted for the top one. :/

sorry.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Hitlers religious views are widely disputed. By his term as Fuhrer he believed in a completely different God to the Judaic one.

he's a christian dude..read his speaches

I've studied Hitler quite a bit. He wasn't truly a Christian. He also promoted Germanic religion during his stint as as Fuhrer. He was a hardcore Nationalist. The God he was referencing, usually as "The Creator" or "The Providence" wasn't the Christian God as such, it was his own ideal of it.

 

[Deleted User]

@TD - Hitler could NEVER have been a christian. Mein Kampf proves this.

 

[[M]artin]

You didn't fail. God made humans knowing what the outcome of your life would be. It is the fault of God.

so god knew Hitler (who believe in god) was gonna killed thousands of people and he let it happened??
am I the only one who see there's something wrong here...or did the Jews deserve it??


PROVE YOUR GOD IS REAL

Hitler was born with sin just like you and me. His decisions and choices lead him to events that you're referring to. He didn't let it happen, Hilter's choices made it so.

I don't understand why you guys thinks that God's tasks are to intervene and stop every single smallest event that is deemed wrong in your personal eyes from happening. The Bible claims that there is a plan that he has for all of us and it's quite clear that we currently cannot understand it.

QUOTE(Magmorph @ Sep 11 2010, 04:23 PM)

If I leave a brick out in the middle of the street and I know that the outcome of doing so will be a car accident is it not my fault for causing it?

Not if (and bear with how stupid this sounds) you give that brick the free-will, choice, and knowledge to move out of the way based on the possible outcomes/consequences.

Humans =/= Inanimate Brainless Bricks (well... maybe some of you...

)

 

[TrolleyDave]

Great, so the results are skewed, because I voted for the top one. :/

Hang on. I'll fix that.

 

[Deleted User]

Great, so the results are skewed, because I voted for the top one. :/

Hang on. I'll fix that.

sorry, I can't help my instinct. Forgive me.

 

[RoMee]

Hitlers religious views are widely disputed. By his term as Fuhrer he believed in a completely different God to the Judaic one.

he's a christian dude..read his speaches

I've studied Hitler quite a bit. He wasn't truly a Christian. He also promoted Germanic religion during his stint as as Fuhrer. He was a hardcore Nationalist. The God he was referencing, usually as "The Creator" or "The Providence" wasn't the Christian God as such, it was his own ideal of it.

for a guy who is not christin, he sure loves to praise his christian god

 

[_Chaz_]

artin]

You didn't fail. God made humans knowing what the outcome of your life would be. It is the fault of God.

so god knew Hitler (who believe in god) was gonna killed thousands of people and he let it happened??
am I the only one who see there's something wrong here...or did the Jews deserve it??


PROVE YOUR GOD IS REAL

Hitler was born with sin just like you and me. His decisions and choices lead him to events that you're referring to. He didn't let it happen, Hilter's choices made it so.

The argument that God is omniscient says otherwise.

 

[TrolleyDave]

Great, so the results are skewed, because I voted for the top one. :/

Hang on. I'll fix that.

sorry, I can't help my instinct. Forgive me.

Can't help your instinct? So you admit that you swapped the polls around because you didn't like the results?

QUOTE(jet™ @ Sep 11 2010, 10:33 PM)

@TD - Hitler could NEVER have been a christian. Mein Kampf proves this.

Hitler was at one point Christian. He believed he was divinely chosen after an incident in WW1.

 

[Magmorph]

artin]
Humans =/= Inanimate Brainless Bricks (well... maybe some of you...

)

I could give it the will to move out of the way. What if I know it will not move out of the way?

 

[RoMee]

I don't understand why you guys thinks that God's tasks are to intervene and stop every single smallest event that is deemed wrong in your personal eyes from happening.

so you're saying the slaughter of thousands of people is a "small event"??

QUOTEwrong in your personal eyes

so you don't think it's wrong


PROVE YOUR GOD IS REAL

 

[0ddity]

God himself is responsible for the largest (alleged) genocide in history, killing every human on earth except one family (eww earth re-population by incest again.)

 

[Deleted User]

Great, so the results are skewed, because I voted for the top one. :/

Hang on. I'll fix that.

sorry, I can't help my instinct. Forgive me.

Can't help your instinct? So you admit that you swapped the polls around because you didn't like the results? (I'll admit that.)

QUOTE(jet™ @ Sep 11 2010, 10:33 PM)

@TD - Hitler could NEVER have been a christian. Mein Kampf proves this.

Hitler was at one point Christian. He believed he was divinely chosen after an incident in WW1.

God would have known what happened later. Hitler commited suicide, and people that deliberately commit suicide go directly to hell.

 

[Magmorph]

God would have known what happened later. Hitler commited suicide, and people that deliberately commit suicide go directly to hell.

Find me a passage in the Bible that says this.(hint: it doesn't exist.)